The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier

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nintendors said:
But Of Course !! *in Prof. Layton's voice* ;)


btw Ideaman u have talked about almost every aspect of the WiiU except its online network....why so quite ?


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Because honestly, the projects for which my sources work for are more focused on solo gameplay. I asked some questions about the online, but it's considered as a part of the "software layer" that i talked about 2 or 3 days ago that third-parties just know very vaguely.
 
But IM, the closer we get to E3, the more chance that your bombs will get leaked by a different source! And we'll have gifs, hype and E3 bear to occupy us for the last couple of weeks anyway. You should drop the bombs now while there's not as much to speculate on!
 
I was all happy about 30 days

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Sadist said:
Just 31 days left...
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IdeaMan said:
Because honestly, the projects for which my sources work for are more focused on solo gameplay. I asked some questions about the online, but it's considered as a part of the "software layer" that i talked about 2 or 3 days ago that third-parties just know very vaguely.
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gotcha,,,well I'm glad that there still some companies that consider developing games with single player mode only.
 
For the Pokemon MMO discussion occurring in page 24, well, play to WoW, create a human called Ash, consider Stormwind as Kanto, buy Mist of Pandaria expansion that will feature Pet Battle, and rename an electric elemental Pikachu.
That's it, you have your Pokemon MMO :p
 
IdeaMan said:
Hey EC, i have 2 or 3 bombs that i've kept because i thought they worth their own threads (and some others less important that i'll post here), i wanted to create them if i become member before E3, do you think it will be possible, with a lot of forewords/warnings (as usual), presentation of the context of the data, links to my introduction/justification/legitimation of my info by a confirmed-by-mod dev, etc ? And i'll do another effort to legitimate me & my news before (well, we can talk about it in private).
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Maybe. I'll have to discuss it with the others first, and know the context of the 'news' your planning to post, in terms of what warrants a new thread versus simply posting here.
 
you guys really want to know more about WiiU before E3?

IdeaMan did say he know there are things devs know that is missing the details are not clear so I guess not everything will drop before E3

I just have a feeling we are going to have one of those assembly line workers nab a uPad and take it home. sure stealing a 3DS seems much easier but...
 
Dreamwriter said:
But Nintendo also showed the Wii-Remote in almost every Wii-U game as well. The Classic Controller's limited usage was based on the fact that it was an optional peripheral not many people had, designed mainly for lazy game developers porting games from other consoles and for Virtual Console games (this is how Ninrendo initially marketed the Classic Controller). The Wii-Remote, however, already has 95 million owners. I don't think developers are going to ignore that fact, not when most gamers agree that it controls far better for certain types of games like fps's.
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Like I said though, Nintendo will show people still using the Wimote because they intend on every gamer to have and use Wiimote's as it will be what they expect people to use for local multi-player. So no they aren't going to abandon it, and because Nintendo likes to be affordable they like to show people using them with their new console because they don't want to scare people with the price of the replacement sub-screen.

However you need to keep in mind the Wiimote was their "thing" this-gen and the sub-screen is their "thing" next-gen, they aren't going to want the new controller to look like something that you would rather not use, just like they didn't want people to look at the Wiimote and go "I would rather use the GC controller" they wanted people to be excited to use the Wiimote, now that same focus/desire is all thrown at the sub-screen.

I think for the most part we are on the same page as I said that most games that work well with the Wiimote will keep it as an option, like when Reggie said that your better off with the CCP when you play Xenoblade there will be times when it will obviously better to use the Wiimote, and it will be available. A game like Animal Crossing for example that didn't need the Wiimote hardly at all probaly will just be a sub-screen game and a lot of single-player games probaly will be the same way, such as a 3D Mario which didn't really use the Wiimote for all that much.

Games that have local multi-player will work with the Wiimote, as will games that suit the Wiimote like a lot of FPS, but the new "thing" will be what all games single-player modes will be built with in mind.

Your right in saying that the Wiimotes will be usable in a lot of instances, but at the same time if someone that never played local multi-player and prefers a normal controller to the Wiimote wanted to trash every Wiimote they own they would be fine, because I don't see any single-player game turning on and telling you that your new controller won't work and to go back to the Wiimote, where some games will probaly tell you to drop the Wiimote and grab your sub-screen if you wan't to play it, not all but some, that's all I'm saying.
 
IdeaMan said:
If the game launch one day (this is a rather modest team that works on it actually), there's a lot of chances it will hit the Wii U. And the controller would be perfect for it, to takes pictures à la Pokemon Snap in a virtual world surrounding you that you explore through the little window that constitute the padlet screen.
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IdeaMan, I really, really hope you're correct.
And I loved the photography aspect of BG&E.. such goodness!

nintendors said:
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Either that, or they really cheaped-out and went with 2400 baud.. :)
 
HylianTom said:
Sounds unimaginative, but I kinda wish we'd have a classic, archetypical MMO, with boring classes, races, skills, etc.

Classes: knight - archer - cleric - druid - paladin - sorcerer - thief - etc.
Races: human - elf - dwarf - goblin - etc.
Combat Skills: swords - bow - spear - axe - blunt weapons - etc.

Give me a giant world to get lost in, a basic alchemy system, a lot lot lot of caves/tombs/fortresses/etc to clear-out..

I could type this wish list all friggin' night. Just do a mix of Elder Scrolls, Might and Magic 6 through 9, and Dungeons & Dragons, and we'd have the basis for a fantastic game. If done right, I'd end-up obsessed with it all generation long.
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Like i said in the ESO thread, i think studios need to put as much distance as they can from the "WoW model", and bring back some forgotten features of this stale genre like player housing, intensive world pvp, intricate crafting & economy, tons of social functions.

And i would eat 150 tuna sandwiches naked in front of Eiffel Tower tourists's queues if Nintendo take its chances by releasing their vision of an Ultima Online/Everquest, with less AD&D genes and more of their own (without being an animal crossing mmo, less cartoony, more goals, more story-driven, more epic).

Basically, a sandbox old school MMO, nintendo-ed. But it will never happen so i'll make the economy of 150 x at least 4€, and keep my pride.
 
How does one lose Junior status and become full time member anyway?
One moment I'm a junior and the next I'm not.
 
Bagu said:
How does one lose Junior status and become full time member anyway?
One moment I'm a junior and the next I'm not.
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I've heard it's like tooth when you are young, one day you have them all, one day the little mice come and you lost one.

why have i written that ? sorry
 
Smiles and Cries said:
you guys really want to know more about WiiU before E3?

IdeaMan did say he know there are things devs know that is missing the details are not clear so I guess not everything will drop before E3

I just have a feeling we are going to have one of those assembly line workers nab a uPad and take it home. sure stealing a 3DS seems much easier but...
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E3 is all about the games and the meltdowns, son.
 
Bagu said:
How does one lose Junior status and become full time member anyway?
One moment I'm a junior and the next I'm not.
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reach a number of posts I think at least that use to be the goal post. I think they moved it up a bit.

but I was a member since the gaming-age days on the early boards so not sure wassup now
 
Bagu said:
How does one lose Junior status and become full time member anyway?
One moment I'm a junior and the next I'm not.
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You need to have made a certain number of posts and or be a registered user for a certain amount of time, iirc.
 
IdeaMan said:
I've heard it's like tooth when you are young, one day you have them all, one day the little mice come and you lost one.

why have i written that ? sorry
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I haven't heard about mice taking my teeth since I was little! lol!

Also thanks to Rösti and the others for the responses.
 
IdeaMan said:
Like i said in the ESO thread, i think studios need to put as much distance as they can from the "WoW model", and bring back some forgotten features of this stale genre like player housing, intensive world pvp, intricate crafting & economy, tons of social functions.

And i would eat 150 tuna sandwiches naked in front of Eiffel Tower tourists's queues if Nintendo take its chances by releasing their vision of an Ultima Online/Everquest, with less AD&D genes and more of their own (without being an animal crossing mmo, less cartoony, more goals, more story-driven, more epic).

Basically, a sandbox old school MMO, nintendo-ed. But it will never happen so i'll make the economy of 150 x at least 4€, and keep my pride.
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I especially like your idea of player housing; being able to collect loot - useful and useless - and then furnish my home would be really fun. It'd almost be a game within a game, where you can decide what items to collect from around the world.

But you're right about a Nintendo-ey old school MMO would have the potential to be a console-defining title. The kind of game that people buy the console to play. Too bad it won't happen..
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I know and the meltdowns are always epic on the Nintendo side of things lol
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And how!
Nintendo, for better or worse, seems to evoke the most powerful of emotions. On one end of the spectrum, you have folks who would frantically empty their bank accounts to help them out if the company ever came to peril, and on the other end of the spectrum, you have folks who'd dance joyously and piss on Nintendo's funeral pyre. No other company in the gaming world comes close when it comes to triggering such a wide, powerful range.. and we get to witness it all here, haha!
 
HylianTom said:
And how!
Nintendo, for better or worse, seems to evoke the most powerful of emotions. On one end of the spectrum, you have folks who would frantically empty their bank accounts to help them out if the company ever came to peril, and on the other end of the spectrum, you have folks who'd dance joyously and piss on Nintendo's funeral pyre. No other company in the gaming world comes close when it comes to triggering such a wide, powerful range.. and we get to witness it all here, haha!
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So true.
 
HylianTom said:
I especially like your idea of player housing; being able to collect loot - useful and useless - and then furnish my home would be really fun. It'd almost be a game within a game, where you can decide what items to collect from around the world.

But you're right about a Nintendo-ey old school MMO would have the potential to be a console-defining title. The kind of game that people buy the console to play. Too bad it won't happen..
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Imagine them assembling a team of mmo veterans (there is a lot of turn-over for this genre, with talents gathered for a project 10 years ago, totally spread out now in other companies), and blending them with some of their artists, designers, installing a Nintendo framework & monitoring system, with the goal to develop a tailored for Wii U mmo, supported for at least the lifespan of the platform, and with incentives to push the subscribers (a small annual fee + some worth-the-money micro-transactions) to buy some offline titles (like a NFC tagged Fire Emblem, adding 10 new set of costumes or a new region with 2 hours of content, etc.).
 
do junior members have a smaller PM saving box than Members?

IdeaMan make sure you delete some messages when PMing mods can't reply to your last because your box is full man
 
Since we are talking console MMO I'll post what I put in the ES online thread.

I've thought about this before in that "what will be the next big thing" thread, that I imagine after online FPS games that some sort of online RPG that is kind of simplified to work with consoles will probaly be a big seller.

Skyrim proved that games that aren't FPS can sell to the mainstream audience, when you couple that with the popularity of online console gaming I think some kind of MMO can sell on both PC and consoles. It just comes down to the game controlling like a single-player game, it can't be to hard for a random to pick up and play.

If there was an open-world place like in an MMO where you can play with your online buddies and level up against NPC's then take that character you leveld up into game modes like CoD has, you know team deathmatch, deathmatch, domination, capture the flag, etc..... I think it could be huge.

Gamers that only buy CoD, Madden, AC, also will buy RPG's like ES and Fallout, if they could combine on consoles, the addiction of online gaming with gameplay like ES or even some Zelda style it could work.

When you think about it we haven't really seen it attempted on a grand-scale for consoles, that FF mess doesn't really count as for one it was excuted awful and two FF's gameplay doesn't really have that mainstream pick up and play appeal, also the timing wasn't right, but now I think the consumers have shown that they are ready for it.
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IdeaMan said:
Imagine them assembling a team of mmo veterans (there is a lot of turn-over for this genre, with talents gathered for a project 10 years ago, totally spread out now in other companies), and blending them with some of their artists, designers, installing a Nintendo framework & monitoring system, with the goal to develop a tailored for Wii U mmo, supported for at least the lifespan of the platform, and with incentives to push the subscribers (a small annual fee + some worth-the-money micro-transactions) to buy some offline titles (like a NFC tagged Fire Emblem, adding 10 new set of costumes or a new region with 2 hours of content, etc.).
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My gut feeling is that such a title would be one of Nintendo's best chances to bring in a new crowd to Nintendo console ownership, a crowd that perhaps usually tends more towards PC gaming, The biggest hurdle would perhaps be convincing gamers (beyond the Nin-faithful) to give it a try - and to keep-up with the high technical/feature expectations that gamers have for games of this type. It strikes me as being an incredible undertaking, not without some degree of financial risk..

.. but it could be sooo damn good.

Another pitfall? If I'm obsessed with Nintendo's MMO, I'm less likely to buy other titles. Eeep.
 
HylianTom said:
And how!
Nintendo, for better or worse, seems to evoke the most powerful of emotions. On one end of the spectrum, you have folks who would frantically empty their bank accounts to help them out if the company ever came to peril, and on the other end of the spectrum, you have folks who'd dance joyously and piss on Nintendo's funeral pyre. No other company in the gaming world comes close when it comes to triggering such a wide, powerful range.. and we get to witness it all here, haha!
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they are special that's why I love them :3

it is very hard for companies to pull off the same emotional connection in people, you have to had grown up with them, then you also had to be a part of the frustration of being a fan.

Nintendo's new Hardware times are special times but they pull the same thing with waiting for new Zelda or new Mario
 
EatChildren said:
$10 says 90% of Wii U games for the systems' entire life run at no higher resolutions than the current gen. EG: 720p norm, only a very few exceptions running at 1080p.
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More than 50% (the main bulk of third-party games + the graphically ambitious first-party), that is nearly sure (except if the latest dev kits include a surprising boost of capabilities)
 
IdeaMan said:
More than 50% (the main bulk of third-party games + the graphically ambitious first-party), that is nearly sure (except if the latest dev kits include a surprising boost of capabilities)
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you've probably explained this already, but why would Nintendo bother to mention it can run 1080p native? u think they're only saying that because the plan to run 1st party titles at that res? or that plus 3rd parties later on?
 
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