I'm talking about the architecture of the traditional part.
Also, we've already narrowed it down to <3x, and antoz is even implying <2x.
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I'm talking about the architecture of the traditional part.
Also, we've already narrowed it down to <3x, and antoz is even implying <2x.
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Rösti
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While searching for Wii U news, I came over a small piece from MMO-Champion. Now, it's most likely just jargon but if I'm not mistaken 5850 has been suggested before. It's from the poster Rennadrel in reply to poster DeltrusDisc:
Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...U-last-until-next-generation-of-console/page2
As I said, it's most likely nothing and just a paraphrase of speculated things. But it shows example of what people on forums other than NeoGAF and Beyond3D believe. If they are setting themselves up for disappointment or if they actually know some insider details is anyone's guess.
The specs for ATI Radeon HD 5850 (I assume that is what is meant, if else ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 is clocked at 500-625 MHz with processing power of 0.8-1.0 TFLOPS):
Source: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...5850/pages/ati-radeon-hd-5850-overview.aspx#2
I guess we won't know for sure until a developer comments or if someone opens up the console.
DeltrusDisc said:
Rennadrel said:
Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...U-last-until-next-generation-of-console/page2
As I said, it's most likely nothing and just a paraphrase of speculated things. But it shows example of what people on forums other than NeoGAF and Beyond3D believe. If they are setting themselves up for disappointment or if they actually know some insider details is anyone's guess.
The specs for ATI Radeon HD 5850 (I assume that is what is meant, if else ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 is clocked at 500-625 MHz with processing power of 0.8-1.0 TFLOPS):
Source: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...5850/pages/ati-radeon-hd-5850-overview.aspx#2
I guess we won't know for sure until a developer comments or if someone opens up the console.
From everything we know of the console's dev kits, that statement is wrong just from the facts I listed.
And it is displaying those demos last year, which do show advances to tech. You need to take what he said into context instead of dismissing everything you hear that doesn't agree with your assumed "facts" about the console.
Rösti;37889209 said:
If it has a 5850, I'll post a video of me making out with a hobo on YouTube. Don't even humor this BS.
direct dev comment > everything
You are simplify stuff far too much. I commented that if you look at the technology it is indeed much closer to current gen than it is some 10-15X mega beast. While there will be 2011/2012 bells and whistles the entire machine is very much not.
You can have a GPU made in 2012 still be little more than a tweaked part from 2009. Hell Half of what AMD and Nvidia like to do is tweak older gpus be it die size etc and then relabel it a modern gpu.
I will admit I am probably a tad harsh to some degree on the machine but its out of love and what could have been
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
antonz's comments about the Wii U Pad makes my heart smile. Words I agree with, and money better spent elsewhere.
That is perfectly fine with me, 2011/2012 bells and whistles with 2x-4x the power of 360 and 2GB of ram... Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with this.
UncleSporky
Member
Isn't that post likely wrong because it says quad core, but we have credible evidence that it's only got three cores?
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
By "current" do you mean as in "this year/2012"?
His profile says he is a "Pit Lord" so he appears to have a fairly senior position. I trust him.Rösti;37889209 said:
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
That the technology in it detracts from the overall system budget quite significantly, relative to where they money could be spent. This makes it a gamble, as in order for the Wii U to be unique and justify the budget spent on the pad versus processing hardware developers need to use the pad in interesting, game enhancing and sellable ways. As he (and I) feels most developers, specifically third parties, will reserve pad use for gimmicks like maps, alternate cams, and other junk that isn't integral to the game design, the pad's value decreases. What we're left with is a system with a core controller that is largely missused outside of anybody who isn't Nintendo, and if the pad didn't exist at all additional budget could have been put towards further modernising the Wii U's hardware.
I feel quite similar because I'm not interested in the pad at all. I'd rather the pad be gone, and instead have the HD Wii with waggle wands that I've wanted for some time.
Yeah, it's wrong, also a 5850 @ 625MHz isn't .8-1TFLOPs, it's 1.8TFLOPs... Which is closer to PS4's Expected power level. Wii U won't have a lot of ALUs, it will have somewhere between 400-800, BG currently expects 480@600MHz, roughly 2.4X 360's GFLOPing power... I feel like we need Terry Crews to promote next gen.
A dual Wiimote set-up in which both controllers contain a circle pad, a shoulder button and a trigger, the left hand controller has a D-pad and the right hand controller has a multiple face buttons (rather than just the one A button) would be both achievable and godly. I would prefer it to the Wii U pad.
Oh wow, that actually worked.
Also, both you and EC are still crazy for thinking Nintendo would chose better tech over a lower price.
Yeah, even my optimism isn't quite that godly LOL.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
No, I mean, same price as it's going to be, but budget normally reserved for the Wii U pad instead put towards the hardware. I agree with antonz that the Wii U pad likely has enough tech in it (especially the touch screen and battery power) to warrant enough dosh that could have been used to beef up the hardware instead. However much the Wii U costs, remember you're not just buying a processor and GPU, you're buying a Wii U pad too.
I don't want the pad
.Im not as anti-tablet because I think the potential could be nice and probably will be on Nintendos end but knowing the other side of the coin its gonna get wasted by 3rd parties.
Thats just where my disappointment comes from. Its like buying lobster for everyone on gaf except to find out only 5 people on gaf will eat it so the rest rots and goes to waste.
edit: Im on to your game now too burnt. trying to provoke me to post and slip stuff
Portugeezer
Member
I know you are talking about beefing up the console hardware instead of controller hardware, which is better, but if a developer barely uses the uPad, doesn't that save some horsepower for the game?
Shouldn't having a faster CPU and the possibility of a Nunchuk+ be a nice enough upgrade of the Wiimote+ controller without dividing the consumer?
I just want Wiimote+ in the box, give me a Nunchuk+ (has IR & wiimote+'s motion sensing)
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
You guys are going to change your tune on the tablet when you have it and experience all the cool stuff you can play and do with it while away from the TV set. The tablet only experience will be Nintendo's third pillar.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I do, though ;pI don't want the pad
Luckily for me I love lobsters.
UncleSporky
Member
Well at least the lobster has a nice standard control layot this time including clicky sticks. Hell, the screen in the middle also means it's going to be more comfortable thanks to hand separation, not as good as remote + chuck but still nice.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Yes, unless Nintendo's APIs reserve processing specifically for the pad.
My ideal Wii U would be pretty much that. WiiRemote+, better nunchuck, Wii U pad scrapped and manufacturing budget instead going towards the console hardware itself.
But I love my waggle and IR games. That's the future I hoped Nintendo would explore first and foremost.
Unless you plan to buy me a Wii U, I don't care what you pad lovers want.
Releasing a Wii with more modern hardware would have been a pretty bad move on Nintendo's part, I think.
All the console manufacturers are going to have a hard time justifying the upgrade to the next generation, more so than with previous generations, so the best thing they can do is provide distinguishing services or controllers that make it distinct from what's currently on offer.
With Microsoft I think it's going to be a better Kinect plus multimedia stuff, not sure what Sony's angle is going to be.
All the console manufacturers are going to have a hard time justifying the upgrade to the next generation, more so than with previous generations, so the best thing they can do is provide distinguishing services or controllers that make it distinct from what's currently on offer.
With Microsoft I think it's going to be a better Kinect plus multimedia stuff, not sure what Sony's angle is going to be.
UncleSporky
Member
This is true, if some pad features take very little dev budget and are simply a matter of flipping a switch (remote play, hopefully), it'll be well worth it.
test_account
XP-39C²
The tablet has to be in the same room as the console. So it is unlikely that you can take the tablet upstairs/downstairs and contunie playing in bed for example. Unless Nintendo has changed something about this since last E3.
Things you can do with the pad is promising, just steamlining the transition with inventory, like Re revelations on 3ds will be a little things that will become essential for comfort.
Also it can does everything like the wiimote .
I reserve judgement for fps if gyro aiming is nice, but by my experience with revelations again, it can be satisfying.
Really, there are just games like Skyward sword or trauma center that remain better for wiimote, due to its shape.
Also it can does everything like the wiimote .
I reserve judgement for fps if gyro aiming is nice, but by my experience with revelations again, it can be satisfying.
Really, there are just games like Skyward sword or trauma center that remain better for wiimote, due to its shape.
Portugeezer
Member
Kind of reminds me of the 3DS, looking at Revelations the map runs at a much lower framerate (like 5 fps) than the game which seems like a obvious attempt to use as much power for the 3D graphics.
Unless I am mistaken about 3DS, IDK if Nintendo reserved API for the touch screen on it.
Well, I'd like my cake and eat it too, to me asymmetric gaming, is actually hugely exciting, and we already have Ubisoft exploring that, plus I'd love to see some more PC only genres making it over to Wii U (like Diablo 3, that I guess is rumored or confirmed to be coming to PS360... I got lost in Wii U threads and can't find my way over to the D3 thread to be updated)
Pretty much my biggest problem with what you are saying though is that even if they pushed for that extra $50 to go towards hardware, they would still be far behind PS4/XB3, in which case, I don't have a tablet to cry on, so Wiimote+ in box with Nunchuk+, and an asymmetric game bundled in.
UncleSporky
Member
Then I'll have the console in my bedroom and just always play it in bed.
I'm hoping we don't even need it hooked up to TV out.
Actually, if it's using Ni-Fi, it pretty much should be a bit more range than a Wireless N router in even the worst cases.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I'll probably put down money for a Wii U before half the people in this thread. Nintendo consoles are always, and will always be (pending heinously dumb Nintendo shit, like selling all their franchises!), must own day one purchases for me. Nintendo's IPs are some of my favourite, and the company still makes some of the best games in the industry. Simple as that.
But I don't feel any need to wave the Nintendo banner in the console wars, defend them in areas they don't deserve defending, try and put a positive spin on everything they do, or look out for their financial/business interest versus my enjoyment as a consumer. When Nintendo does dumb shit I don't agree with, I will bitch about it, and there hasn't been a generation of Nintendo where I haven't been frustrated with something they've done, either on a hardware or software level (or both).
Portugeezer
Member
Yeah I'm wondering how many people use a stylus on their DS or 3DS? I mostly use the side of my finger and it works fine, stylus was only used for touchscreen heavy games.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I'm right there with you Man that Consumes the Young.
Until I see a reason that the Upad exists it is just stealing the show from the superior controller.
Until I see a reason that the Upad exists it is just stealing the show from the superior controller.
Why would you dump precision?
Well, unlike the 3DS you could rest it on your lap like you would an ipad.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
*punches z0m3le in the genitals and runs*
While I try to be somewhat neutral when it comes to MS, I do prefer Nintendo, and would rather just have a SNES type of generation with MS as Sega, I am pretty much the same... I still think the tablet is a great idea, and hopefully it can be my only next gen console, along with my PC, but I'm not afraid to buy a XB3 if the third parties don't come, I mean I've already brought 3 XB360s, thanks to RRoD.
I dont want to scare any Nintendo fans off from buying the Wii U. I will be there day one console in hand like everyone else. It will be a fantastic upgrade as far as Nintendo hardware goes going from the Wii to it.
That said I think they could have done better and thats just where my frustration is and I think Ideamans friends echo my sentiments. They aren't angry and gonna throw the machine off a cliff in disgust but they aren't gonna dance in the street in celebration either
Spieler Eins
Member
No thanks, the drawing programs looked the most promising if anything.
Hopefully they'll bring Flipnote Studio U, never had a DSi
Good point.
I can only see it getting much use in drawing apps. I think the general public will find touchscreen interaction primarily through the stylus to be enormously outdated.
That said, I'm sure Nintendo will release a neat stylus-based game or two that put its precision to good use.
Yeah, that is understandable, I speculated that they could of put a GPU 640sp @ 800MHz in the box + fixed function shaders, but I know that Nintendo would rather "Just make it work" then push the form factor they have chosen.
Still 2011/2012 B/Ws, I'll be pleased with ~3X gpu power, I just really hope it's there.
Also what fustrates me is being punched in the genitals by Thunder Monkey
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I think the stylus could be larger. No reason to keep it so thin as its not a mobile device. I predict some people will just make their own "giant pencil" versions and attach it to the w.u.c. using Velcro tape.
Don't overlook games and apps where you need to sign a check.
Wait... Atonz is a dev? Who has worked or has info on WiiU?
I always thought he was just some schmuck.
PS: how likely would it be to have games that have the uPad on your lap or a stand, and actually play with the Wiimote? So basically playing with 2 controllers at once, one as main controller, the other as quick menu hopper and second screen.
I always thought he was just some schmuck.
PS: how likely would it be to have games that have the uPad on your lap or a stand, and actually play with the Wiimote? So basically playing with 2 controllers at once, one as main controller, the other as quick menu hopper and second screen.
Ah ok, thanks guys.
I know the console won't be left behind when the HD Twin successors arrive, but I just want this console to strike a chord with everyone. I've had enough of the allegiances and hardware flaunting this gen brought about.
Here's to an E3 without bullshit.
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