The first, take notes. That's how I solved the left one, but I'm still stuck on the right.
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MetroidPrimeRib
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If you still can't figure it out (you might not be able to yet. Not sure, but I've been in the situation before) just remember that you were on the right track and keep it in mind.
Yeah even after figuring out which tiles were which it still took me a long time to figure out the solution.
MegaSackman
Member
Thanx! I'll keep working on it then.
OnionPowder
Member
lmao
Fuck, I wish I hadn't read this.
Totally thought
you'd just be talking about something really interesting about the clip and how it parallels to the island/story. That's pretty insane.
My fault for checking it, but damn if it isn't part awesome and part annoying that you can still be incredibly far into the game and still be spoiled on cool stuff. I genuinely assumed I'd already seen & caught on to everything there.
The Challenge.
After having spent three-four hours with THAT SHIT today, I finally made it out of the maze, expecting sweet release...except I got TWO more puzzles, two fucking puzzles from hell. No. I'm done. This is one challenge that will forever remain unfinished in my life. It has already made me hate Jonathan Blow, I don't really want to hate the game too. I'll get the final video pattern from the interwebs.
I have a few questions about the starting area of all things. But I'm at then end of the game so don't click the following spoiler if you're just starting or don't know about the +.
So two things are making me crazy right now. I'm sure there is something to do with the galss pillar above the castle gate but I can't figure what. I assume the pattern on the panel reflects the one inside the pillar but can't find a clue...
Also there is a + puzzle with the yellow flowers that is obviously cut in two and I can't find a way to link them....I'm almost starting to wonder if I didn't miss a button to skip while drawing :lol:
Also there is a + puzzle with the yellow flowers that is obviously cut in two and I can't find a way to link them....I'm almost starting to wonder if I didn't miss a button to skip while drawing :lol:
OnionPowder
Member
That freaking blew me away as well. I saw the circle and it just clicked. Is he really hiding environment puzzles in the videos? Sure as shit with enough perseverance I found it. I plan on going through all the other clips I've found to see if there's anything else.
I haven't heard of him before, I definitely want to check his stuff out now
petethepanda
Member
Some of the tetrimino rules are kind of infuriating.
Trust me I feel your pain haha. Took me an eternity, but there is a solution. If you want a hint:
Try splitting up the tiles differently, rather that straight through the middle of the 2x2 groups
I am kinda stuck with what to do now, some end? game questions:
I have 11 lasers, got to the glass elevator and finished the game, 5 movies in the theatre I still need the #4 movie, any hints? What is "the challenge" everyone is talking about? Also, I saw in the lake that the woman carved into the mountain is holding up a flickering lantern similar to the laser lanterns, what's up with that? Also what does getting 11 lasers open up compared to 7?
OnionPowder
Member
I forgot how the rules on the
I need to go back and find some tutorial panels to refresh my memory, but whenever I do I end up making breakthroughs on other puzzles.
They're actually pretty straightforward once you can wrap your head around them.
black and white stars go. I've been stuck in the quarry because of it.
They're actually pretty straightforward once you can wrap your head around them.
To be honest, I was only really stuck on like two or three of them.
But those ones must of took me like 4 hours to solve by themselves. I had to turn off the game and just do anything but try and figure them out.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
It's the one puzzle aspect I've struggled with the most. It seems like those above all else benefit greatly from drawing them out, since you occasionally have to actually
play a little tetris with the pieces, while still including every cell with a tetrimino marker on it in the solution
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Drawing shit out actually has a huge benefit, as does using your phone to take a picture and then editing it whichever way. Would have NEVER completed some puzzles otherwise.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
This is my favorite puzzle game in ages. Beat my expectations of it by a wide margin.
So far two sets of puzzles finished, I do however fear for future puzzles. No help used so far, and I plan to keep it that way and continue to return to it after taking breaks doing other stuff.
So far two sets of puzzles finished, I do however fear for future puzzles. No help used so far, and I plan to keep it that way and continue to return to it after taking breaks doing other stuff.
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
Did you realise that
the fourth puzzle in the challenge is the key to the maze?
hydrophilic attack
Member
Man, I'm giving up on the third hedge maze for tonight. I don't want any hints, but I don't see how there's any information on how to solve it. I'll go back later. Maybe I need information from another area to proceed.
The thing is still poorly designed compared to the rest of the game.
The variance of difficulty of the puzzles is way too high. One run you get brain dead shit and then you get near impossible stuff. It also doesn't help that the hardest puzzles are at the end, that's NES era design.
OrbitalBeard
Member
This is a hint, sort of, but it's pretty minor:
Do you personally do anything else while playing games?
This could be considered an actual hint:
Initially, people were kind of disappointed this game didn't have music but it makes sense now
Yes I did.
I just can't handle the RNG. Sometimes I get easy as hell puzzles, sometimes I get shit that seems impossible. It's really frustrating. I don't like randomness in games, I really don't appreciate it in a game that was extremely and deliberately tightly designed before, and that never rushed you down. I find this room to be a grave mistake.
TheExhaustedWalrus
Member
I was stuck on that one as well and I think I get it now, holy shit.
Lets see If tomorrow I can make it :|
About the post-end:
There is still a bunch to do.... I coudnt find it either.. its hard to get, but you are right, there is more when you get the 11 lasers.... just keep checking the box on the top of the montain, which opened the floor with the 7 lasers before.
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
I mean, it is a deliberately hidden super challenge. Walking away from it isn't some giant failure.
it's barely even part of the island.
Timed shit with boring puzzles at the beginning and the hardest at the end is very NES era. More modern games put the challenging stuff at the beginning so you spend the most time learning that stuff. The easy puzzles at the end add as a victory lap.
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Deleted member 30609
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Yeah, the (post-credits spoilers)
variance in difficulty is a bit frustrating. This morning I was getting to the cylinders nearly every time, now I'm hitting a wall on the three colour panels nearly every time.
I just don't have a good way of quickly internalising the cylinder puzzles with two lines. It completely overloads my short term memory. And even then, the version that has the two starting right next to each other is HUGELY simpler than the other sort. So it's basically a dice roll at this point as to whether or not I'll actually be able to finish.
Like, it's kind of dumb but it is hilarious. It feels tongue in cheek to me.
I just don't have a good way of quickly internalising the cylinder puzzles with two lines. It completely overloads my short term memory. And even then, the version that has the two starting right next to each other is HUGELY simpler than the other sort. So it's basically a dice roll at this point as to whether or not I'll actually be able to finish.
Like, it's kind of dumb but it is hilarious. It feels tongue in cheek to me.
I was expecting more that high variance difficulty RNG on a timed puzzle string. Lets take the maze. You can lose a lot of time if you get a complex way through the maze. Even with procedural generation you could have coded in a max path turn number/length. I lost 90% of my attempts on overly hard symmetry puzzles.
Agree in there
The maze one can keep your time a lot down, some times a have a 3 lines maze, and some others I have to got up and down with not stop...so, yeah, you can figure from the start if your maze is hard and you think you are not fast enought... just stop music and start again..
Only this song, and is so perfect! It coudnt fit more the entire challenge situation!
It's not RNG. Just like every other area, it is teaching you how to solve it, even if it is super frustrating at first.
I never got the impression the end of this game would be any sort of cakewalk. I remember thinking, every time I got to the end of an area, "OK, only got to do the last puzzle before the laser" only to wrack my brain for tens of mins, even when I was flying through puzzles only moments ago.
I never got the impression the end of this game would be any sort of cakewalk. I remember thinking, every time I got to the end of an area, "OK, only got to do the last puzzle before the laser" only to wrack my brain for tens of mins, even when I was flying through puzzles only moments ago.
Icyflamez96
Member
Dang that one would have been cool to realize on my own.
Everything you need to know is in that building, but you are right about needing to go somewhere else.
Figured it out!
Blow is a clever bastardI already beat it.
There are two easy ways to improve the challenge dramatically. Limit the complexity variance of the maze path and put the pillars before the maze.
hydrophilic attack
Member
OrbitalBeard (not quoting because I don't want to read the spoilers) would you be able do this third maze puzzle right from the start of the game? That is, do you need any info from somewhere else to solve it, or should I be able to solve it now, regardless of where I've gone before?
What?
The Challenge is 100% RNG. All of the puzzles are randomized each time you attempt it..
OrbitalBeard
Member
You could complete it from the start, yes.
krameriffic
Member
The maze doesn't give me any problems. I find it fairly easy to just memorize the x-y positions and rough route I took and breeze through it. The segregation puzzles before it are the ones that tend to kill me. Sometimes it's painfully obvious which one is solvable, others, I waste 3 minutes and just restart. I also find the cylindrical puzzles to basically just be a game of guess and check.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Thanks. Fuck, this is hard. I'll sleep on it.
Does that mean that they really can't be solved every time? I just kept thinking I was messing up, and that each one had a solution I just wasn't getting at first.
I thought they just alternated.
I thought they just alternated.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I really think you should read my first tagged response. You can hate me all you want if you feel I spoiled something but I think it's a pretty good nudge and I'd hardly even classify it as a hint. Hopefully some people can back me up. I don't give you the solution in any way.
The second response I give is a hint though.
If you don't want to check anything out in my previous post though, I hear you.
krameriffic
Member
It more means that the difficult of each attempt can vary hugely.
What I'm uncertain of is whether every single individual puzzle is randomized or if you get one of a randomized "set" of patterns. I feel like I'm missing something with those panels above the music box that I can't initially interact with, like they somehow are trying to give me a piece of useful information that I don't understand.
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Deleted member 30609
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Yeah, those three panels are maddening. I have no idea what they represent.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
This game really is brilliant as a multiplayer experience. I spent some time this evening working on it with a friend. He would draw out the puzzles on graph paper and then we'd stick our heads together and figure it out. Great stuff. The camaraderie you feel after suffering over a puzzle for ten minutes is amazing.
The puzzles are randomly/procedurally generated each time. It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't have a time limit. They don't alternate. They allegedly can always be solved, but sometimes I swear it seems like you can't, and since it's RNG, you really can't be 100% sure.