Shrike Alvaron
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The ending as I saw it? No. However, it's worth noting I didn't find all the secrets. Maybe something changes if you do, but I don't think ANYONE can say as I'm pretty sure no one's found everything yet.
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The ending as I saw it? No. However, it's worth noting I didn't find all the secrets. Maybe something changes if you do, but I don't think ANYONE can say as I'm pretty sure no one's found everything yet.
OMG have to agree
Shrike Alvaron
Member
If you think that, it just means you don't understand all their logic.
I do think the Tetris shapes are taught the worst of all the symbols, though. Based on my notes stars have the most rules but they are introduced slowly and as long as you experiment it's not too bad, but the Tetris tutorials never really manage to break a certain notion that people tend to have of how they should work.
So, small hint: think of what you think you know about the pieces, and start questioning those facts to see what's wrong. Keep in mind you can redo panels to experiment, and if a symbol flashes red when you input a solution that symbol's rules have not been met while if it doesn't flash, it's good (not always the case, I know vault doors don't flash and I think there's some others, but the standard area puzzles should have the flash)
Remembrance
Member
I've been giving the same suggestion! What is it about those puzzles?
GalacticMouse
Member
Anyone figure this out and mind sharing a hint? I'm too hung up to walk away...
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Erm
?? Don't click that unless your pretty far, not sure if I'm just remembering the village wrong
Also my desert lazer is
level evolution
Also my desert lazer is
pointing somewhere else?
Shrike Alvaron
Member
Hint:
The path just has to look right on the panel, the path you walk doesn't have to follow the rules of the line.
Errr where do I go next? (Swamp)
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Cleared underground in the red lake and unlcked door to this section. what am I missing?
GalacticMouse
Member
I...think I'm more confused now. haha
I get what you're saying, I'm just having a hard time not seeing the "would be" solution.
Shrike Alvaron
Member
MistressMoitie
Member
This is very much how I've been trying to approach the puzzles. I'm very interested in how you would describe the puzzle's languages and if you could share your thought process on how you've interpreted the symbols and what they say to you.
I am quite a ways in the game but I am still not 100% understanding some of the particular functions and I would really like to. I am fine with a puzzle being challenging but what's bothering me is that I feel like I don't have a solid grasp on the mechanics. I would love to see a chart with the symbols and their rules and exceptions. That would be so helpful.
Speaking of which, I was wandering around and found a few puzzles with
invisible barriers that blocked me from continuing a line down a path. Drew a grid of where my line would stop but it seemed like the barriers weren't consistent. Ship wreckage and halfway up the mountain in a stairwell are where I've run into these. Any advice?
Remembrance
Member
I actually realized what I was missing about this one after walking away and solving the puzzle to get into the
bunker
Thanks!
Palette Swap
Member
Re: tetromino rules, my understanding is the following :
- basic rule : a square with a tetromino inside it has to be part of an area encapsulated by the same shape and of the same dimensions as the tetromino depicted.
- advanced rule #1 : you can put together several tetromino blocks. In that case, the resulting area can be any shape that is a combination of adjoining said tetrominos. In particular, a given tetromino doesn't have to be in its native shape. What I mean here is that if you join an I and an L shaped block, the I icon can be where the L would be and conversely, the L icon can be in a square that belongs to the I. As long as the L and I are joined in a single area that can be made with the two shapes.
- advanced rule #2 : tilted tetrominos mean you can choose the orientation of the shape, you don't have to adhere to a single direction. The way I understand it, you get two possible orientations, the ones you would get by rotating 45 degrees the depicted shape, not all four possible orientations. I might be wrong on that last part, and all four might be possible.
- colors can matter, as they do with regular squares.
I'm probably missing some rules as there's a puzzle I apparently can't solve with only these.
- advanced rule #1 : you can put together several tetromino blocks. In that case, the resulting area can be any shape that is a combination of adjoining said tetrominos. In particular, a given tetromino doesn't have to be in its native shape. What I mean here is that if you join an I and an L shaped block, the I icon can be where the L would be and conversely, the L icon can be in a square that belongs to the I. As long as the L and I are joined in a single area that can be made with the two shapes.
- advanced rule #2 : tilted tetrominos mean you can choose the orientation of the shape, you don't have to adhere to a single direction. The way I understand it, you get two possible orientations, the ones you would get by rotating 45 degrees the depicted shape, not all four possible orientations. I might be wrong on that last part, and all four might be possible.
- colors can matter, as they do with regular squares.
I'm probably missing some rules as there's a puzzle I apparently can't solve with only these.
Thanks! Not sure how I spent that much time on this puzzle trying just that, the answer seems logical. Forest is cleared now, off to the desert, I still haven't started this one.
kinaesthete
Member
Just finished the swamp. This puzzle was a great way to end that nightmare of an area, most satisfying/relieved I've felt the whole game outside of
discovering some of the big lines
Yep, been doing that area on and off for ages. Glad it's over!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
There should be a panel that adjusts things you can access
That's pretty much it (for now), as long as
the overall shape includes the tetromino symbols used for that specific shape, i.e. you can have multiple disjointed groups of tetrominos, and you can rearrange the positions as long as they stay in their own group.
That's your first hint that the star shape is not the only prerequesite for a pair.
edit, oops, double post, sorry.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You should be able to do them I think
I love you.
Please...please give me hints. This one has me tearing my hair out, lmao.
Spoilers from The Keep.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZw8rIgWQAQmciu.jpg:large
Spoilers from The Keep.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZw8rIgWQAQmciu.jpg:large
Shrike Alvaron
Member
Hmm, here's a few examples of things I visualize when I see specific symbols, spoilering as to not give away their meaning to those who don't know yet:
Squares: There has to be a line in between squares of different colors. If the squares are touching, then it means a line HAS to go right between them. Also pay attention to the concept of isolation, where squares are isolated against the grid wall via lines. Probably the symbol I have the least grasp of despite its simplicity...
Hexagons: At any junction, a line can only follow two of the paths leading away from it and cannot enter a nearby junction which is already occupied by a line. Therefore, any junction with a hex that only has one exit is blocked. Any junction with a hex and two exits means that a line MUST go through those two exits. When a hex is on a square's edge, it naturally mean a line must pass along that edge and connect the two vertices. In puzzles with few hexes these "given lines" are just a small help, but when every vertex in the grid has a hex then following through on where lines HAVE to go can help work out the logic.
Stars: You must always maintain continuity between stars (or failing a pair of stars, a star and another like-colored symbol). By observing other nearby symbols, this can help you observe what areas should be closed off and where it should be open.
Tetris pieces: Related to stars and squares, Tetris pieces create a continuous area within themselves. This can be used to group together squares and stars, and seeing where two symbols can't be grouped can help position the shape appropriately.
So in the end I've come up with a few abstracted concepts from the symbols: given lines, groups, isolation, continuity... So when you see these symbols, you know to look for specific groupings, feel when you need to isolate things or when they should be continuous, and can work off given lines to aid you.
Hexagons: At any junction, a line can only follow two of the paths leading away from it and cannot enter a nearby junction which is already occupied by a line. Therefore, any junction with a hex that only has one exit is blocked. Any junction with a hex and two exits means that a line MUST go through those two exits. When a hex is on a square's edge, it naturally mean a line must pass along that edge and connect the two vertices. In puzzles with few hexes these "given lines" are just a small help, but when every vertex in the grid has a hex then following through on where lines HAVE to go can help work out the logic.
Stars: You must always maintain continuity between stars (or failing a pair of stars, a star and another like-colored symbol). By observing other nearby symbols, this can help you observe what areas should be closed off and where it should be open.
Tetris pieces: Related to stars and squares, Tetris pieces create a continuous area within themselves. This can be used to group together squares and stars, and seeing where two symbols can't be grouped can help position the shape appropriately.
So in the end I've come up with a few abstracted concepts from the symbols: given lines, groups, isolation, continuity... So when you see these symbols, you know to look for specific groupings, feel when you need to isolate things or when they should be continuous, and can work off given lines to aid you.
As for those puzzles you mentioned, have you done Symmetry yet? There's a specific set of panels there that should clue you in.
Dude, you almost have it.
Hint:
you have gone three blocks too far with your line at the very end
Fancy Clown
Member
Man fuck some of those puzzles in the swamp lol.
tetris blocks were bad enough, but now there are two sets of two blocks in one individual tile (solved that one but idk how) and now the next set has tilted Tetris blocks and idk what makes them special since the first two tutorials they function the exact same way as normal Tetris blocks
Is it
the grey one with three Tetris pieces? I did that puzzle, heard a sound but have no idea what changed.
MMaRsu
Member
Ok so Ive been busy, gotten unstuck and now im at a point where i really am stuck.
Its in the swamp, with the
symbols on red panels
http://imgur.com/lm23Fxl
Please help me solve this puzzle so i can go back to roaming?
Ive not been in this thread much in fear of spoilers but the game is awesome, hard but awesome
Its in the swamp, with the
tetris
http://imgur.com/lm23Fxl
Please help me solve this puzzle so i can go back to roaming?
Ive not been in this thread much in fear of spoilers but the game is awesome, hard but awesome
Shrike Alvaron
Member
Have you done the swamp yet? If not you may want to go there to learn more about how the Tetris pieces can work.
One hint, the part on the right needs to change.
It's not currently wrong but will be blocking future moves
Shrike Alvaron
Member
No it doesn't, his right half is fine.
MegaSackman
Member
Edit: sent you pm with my solution so not to spoil
Maybe there is more than one way to do it
ah crap. I thought I was doing well.
You just have to separate the black from the white blocks. Go left around the near-right white blocks, then right around the far-right black blocks, then block off the near-left white blocks and head to the exit.
You can move around connected tetrominos within their connected zone. In this case, the 4 square stick doesn't have to be on the right side.