This was the only match they lost against the defending champions and perhaps the strongest team in the tournament. This was most likely the gold final if they didn't meet each other in the semis. The US played solid, eliminated Russia etc. 2018 will be an exciting one as USA Hockey has been developing stars.
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The XXII Sochi Winter Olympic Games / Ski And Skate Against Hate
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This was the only match they lost against the defending champions and perhaps the strongest team in the tournament. This was most likely the gold final if they didn't meet each other in the semis. The US played solid, eliminated Russia etc. 2018 will be an exciting one as USA Hockey has been developing stars.
Can't even score as many goals as Latvia. Pathetic.
Haha you could really see he wanted to use a lot of swearing words.
He should have, what a mess.
theignoramus
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To be fair, Canada looked much sharper against the US than it did against Latvia,
MrCunningham
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Gold in women's Hockey, two gold in curling, gold and silver in skiing, and an unexpected bronze in speed skating, Canada beats US in Hockey for a gold medal position. The last few days have been amazing for Team Canada!
This is true, but that Latvia goalie was a beast. He ended up with the number one star for that game. He was almost dead from exhaustion by the third period.
This is true, but that Latvia goalie was a beast. He ended up with the number one star for that game. He was almost dead from exhaustion by the third period.
Fixed2BeBroken
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why you mad though?
Sviatoslav
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Ignoring Norway who are at the top of the table?
Fixed2BeBroken
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apparently he's going by totals.....cause obviously there is no discussion at the moment if we are just counting golds.
It's gonna be Norway vs Russia for the top.
Russia:
-Parallel slalom - men
-Parallel slalom - women
-Biathlon men's relay
-Bobsleigh - 4 men
-Cross-country skiing - 50 km men
Norway:
-Biathlon men's relay
-Cross-country skiing - 30 km women
-Cross-country skiing - 50 km men
They go head to head in two events. It could come down to the sprint at the end of the 50 km race.
Russia:
-Parallel slalom - men
-Parallel slalom - women
-Biathlon men's relay
-Bobsleigh - 4 men
-Cross-country skiing - 50 km men
Norway:
-Biathlon men's relay
-Cross-country skiing - 30 km women
-Cross-country skiing - 50 km men
They go head to head in two events. It could come down to the sprint at the end of the 50 km race.
Where is this "going by total medals" even coming from, by the way? Nothing against you, you just mentioned it. There's an official medal count, and that's going by gold medals.
I don't even know why you'd only count total medals. Getting gold certainly is something better than getting bronze.
Sviatoslav
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How is there no discussion if we're counting golds? It's really tight.
Norway 10
Russia 9
Canada 9
US 9
Didn't bring Norway into it because they're ahead by 1 gold medal. Whereas Russia, US, and Canada both have 9 so it's a close fight
Also, screw those total medal counts - it's all about dat gold.
Fixed2BeBroken
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no discussion in regards to being "neck and neck" get it? it's what I quoted. Neck and neck/tied. norway isn't neck in neck/tied at the moment.
and I did state…"at the moment" to be clear….cause anything can change
lastly, we all know, russia should be at 8 LOL
Sviatoslav
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Russia is almost a lock for the 4 man bob sled. They won the two-man comfortably and the 4 man is their better event. That ties it right up. Everything else is more iffy, although Norway is a heavy favourite in the Biathlon relay.
Kadayi
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The score cards etc are all there to see. Plenty of people have gone over them and concluded that Sotnikova did enough to win, and in truth was more hungry for it than Yuna.
The Official Olympic way is to count by golds,
other countries change it depending what looks good to them.
Norway having 10 Gold medals with a population of 5 Million is crazy.
Just having that stat, they won.
Sviatoslav
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Yuna would have won gold if she had done 7 triples in her long program. She went conservative and only did 6 and lost. She only has herself to blame.
Fixed2BeBroken
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who are these planty of people you speak of? you mean the millions signing the petition?
you mean all the experts and professional skaters of past who disagree?
LOL, are you just pulling out "confirmations" out of your ass?
Kadayi
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I already linked to a couple articles already that went into detailed analysis about the scoring, and basically concluded that the judges decision was right.
I'm sure millions of people around the world likely thought Russia was robbed when that goal of theirs was disallowed in the Ice hockey as well, but that doesn't make their opinions any more valid versus the judges assessment on the matter.
Still do you anything constructive to add or are you simply using your bitterness as a platform to hurl abuse at me at this point in time? Because I'm pretty sure that ain't GAF, so maybe it's time to get some air and move on.
Fixed2BeBroken
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and you're ignoring articles that i and others in this very thread have linked already that brought a lot of the scoring into question. then you keep falling back on the "well uh, adelina's fs base was higher" which isn't even how the scoring works. the base value is a guideline if they perform a perfect score. i can keep dropping links. I don't know why you refuse to acknowledge what is apparent. if it was clear that adelina was +6 points better than all the other skaters we wouldn't even be having this discussion, but obviously its gray and not black and white as you, for whatever reason, want it to be. its comical.
StarCreator
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Man, you're still not done reformatting your computer?
That's just the way they show it on there, but there is no "official" method of counting.
The Olympic charter explicitly states that
http://www.olympic.org/Documents/olympic_charter_en.pdf
Fixed2BeBroken
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i don't think I ever said that I was "currently reformatting" my computer while being in this thread, but ok
True, their is no "official" method, but the IOC recognizes (rightly so) that Gold first is the true way to go if you do decide to rank countries.
They just don't care that much as:
Doesn't really matter how the IOC does it... I just don't understand how anyone could consider a Bronze as equal to a Gold when looking at medal standings. One Gold is worth at least 3 silvers and 10 bronze medals.
Fixed2BeBroken
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dude…i can link articles all day that can also question her scores. you can just do a google search.
The articles you link don't discredit what I link, and vice versa…..continuing to link articles is counter productive.
let me ask you these 2 questions, and lets just be honest with ourselves here…
First, Adelina's performance, was it best the world has EVER seen? Did she give a world historic performance? because if she didn't make that mistake, her score, based on the way it was scored, would have beat the world record. Most seem to disagree that she gave a world record breaking performance, much less a performance that was only .11 points away from matching and beating the world record.
second, who is the better overall and more consistent skater?
ask yourselves those 2 questions and just be real about it.
Sviatoslav
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Have you looked at side by side video of both of them performing the same jumps, btw? Sotnikova looked better on most of them (better height, better exit) and the scores showed it. So it wasn't just the base value. She deservedly got the higher score for the technical components. Was she overscored for her PCS scores though? Most likely. Was it enough to change the medals? Likely not. At European Champs she got a 69 for her PCS (she got a 74 here). Compare the two programs and you can see that she improved at the Olympics. 5 point improvement? Probably not, but enough to secure gold. The rest you can put down to the home crowd.
Fixed2BeBroken
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I can't really judge this stuff, so me watching the videos are futile. I leave my assessment up to professionals, and a lot of the professionals are questioning the scoring. that's just a fact.
Sviatoslav
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This is funny considering the one thing that people have criticized Yuna for over the yearswas that she wasn't a complete skater because she struggles so much with the triple loop. Which btw, she didn't do in her long program. Had she done one successfully she would have won.
Consistency and being better overall mead diddly squat for the gold medal. It only matters who did better for the two routines.
Fair enough, but height and hang time is something anybody can see when the jumps are synced.
Fixed2BeBroken
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that question had nothing to do with gold medal, but ok?
secondly, why not answer the first question?
I'm pretty sure figure skating isn't a jumping contest. there's a lot more to it than that.
Fixed2BeBroken
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I like that he picked the name Victor An it's like random, but bad ass.
Kadayi
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The judges scored it and in their assessment based on the difficulty of the routine coupled with execution she did enough to win the competition coupled with her results from the previous day to take the gold. Yuna despite skating flawlessly didn't increase the complexity of her routine (as she could of) to secure herself Gold. Sotnikova performed the riskier routine with much more complicated series of jumps. There was much more potential for her to fail a jump and not medal at all (and she almost did), where as Yuna opted for safety.
How is past history relevant to this? You seriously think medals should be awarded on past form? I guess Shawn White should of gotten that third gold as well for just turning up yeah? Jez.
Sviatoslav
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Better overall or better on that day? Only the latter really matters. And the answer to that depends on how you determine who's better. Based on the current points system Sotnikova was better. Under the old 6.0 system? Yuna
The technical components are jumping + spins. Sotnikova was better at those components and got a deserved higher score. And the "more to it than that" is the PCS scores which I addressed in a previous post.
Sviatoslav
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Russian legend lol. That stuff balances out for Russia though as athletes who used to represent Russia but now represent other countries have 5 golds at these Olympics.
It wasn't random. He said he picked it for a couple of reasons:
1) Victor= associations with victory
2) There is a famous Russian Korean singer named Victor Tsoi
Fixed2BeBroken
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Man are you a Bot or something? Answer the question. you totally did not even answer it. but instead gave some robotic corporate like answer. Do you work for the ISU?
Whelp, there it is, just cut and dry. Simply explained. i guess there really is no discussion here. you are right
dick button
kwan
kurt browning
katrina witt
gwendal peizerat
and many others are just wrong.
why are you not more relevant in this area again btw? shouldn't you be on TV explaining this to everyone else?
Fixed2BeBroken
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if this was RL, I imagine you snorting after that comment and then pushing your glasses up at the middle if you wore glasses in RL.
Sviatoslav
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Not to discredit any of them but all these people grew up on the 6.0 scoring system. And like I said, if that system was used then Yuna (or maybe even Kostner) would have won. The new system isn't as intuitive but it's more objective. It's more of a numbers game, which if they cared to even common Joes can dig into. Now since you don't want to actually talk about those specifics this conversation isn't going anywhere.
Most American sites count total medals though.
That's because the americans are leading in total medals but not golds
Arjen
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If the US leads in Gold and not in total, they probably use that way.
Official way is to use gold medals.
Sviatoslav
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Yup, they conveniently used it in 2008 too when China destroyed them in golds.
Kadayi
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Exactly. The systems changed considerably and a lot of the expression of disbelief is a resultant of people not understanding or appreciating the change. I get why people might be up in arms because Sotnikova didn't land perfectly at one point compared to Yuna, but the Russian girl went for a much riskier routine that could of ended in her not medaling at all if she had actually fallen on her ass, where as Yuna put in what for her was a pretty pedestrian performance. I have to wonder if it wasn't for that stumble whether people would be quite so adamant that Yuna was robbed. But ultimately that mindset of slight stumble = out of contention is 6.0 thinking.
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