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The XXII Sochi Winter Olympic Games / Ski And Skate Against Hate

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criesofthepast said:
Haha no worries. I mentioned earlier in the thread I feel the networks should be putting the word LIVE in the corner during broadcasts so people know because a lot of people have been confused about what events are live and not, myself included. I know at least CBC in Canada don't do it.
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In Russia and Germany they do put that live sign on top of channel.Without it the experience would be poor.
 
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criesofthepast said:
Haha no worries. I mentioned earlier in the thread I feel the networks should be putting the word LIVE in the corner during broadcasts so people know because a lot of people have been confused about what events are live and not, myself included. I know at least CBC in Canada don't do it.
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They don't do that? Even NBC does it.
 
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heh, Aftenbladet's choice of picture for the women's 30km is so shady

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Hunter S. said:
Snowboarding has a laid back attitude about it just like surfing. The snowboard and ski bums create a sort of party culture about it. Your on the slopes during the day and then often drinking partying at night. I think because it is this way in small ski towns the attitude stays with the competitors even once they become professionals. There are a lot of hated dude bro types (on GAF) that live in ski towns. It is an awesome sport to participate in.
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Way back when Whistler Village was still growing, I took a holiday there and condos were ridiculously cheap. I really wish I had some extra coin back then because I knew the prices would go up significantly and it would have been awesome to have a place there.
 
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Just woke up to see some Norwegian dominance. Wow.

Looks like 0 medals for Canada today. This will be only the second day of the Olympics with no medals for us.
 
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The marketing budget for the movie "Non-Stop" must be off the chart. I've probably seen the tv trailer at least 200 times during the olympics.
 
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Peru said:
IOC wouldn't overturn a medal unless the evidence is blatant and in the public or an athlete fails a doping test, this we've seen many times. I have no hope of that happening. The good thing is there's a consensus Sotnikova's run wasn't a 149 and the history books will take that consensus into consideration.
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You have some quaint ideas about what constitutes a consensus. I'm not sure whether 'Irate from Seoul' really counts for much, in the same way I'm not sure one should take seriously the thoughts of teenage girls over the innocence of one Justin Bieber regardless of whatever mischief he may get himself into. Least of all when people are so heavily invested in the sanctity of the individual.
 
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Peru said:
IOC wouldn't overturn a medal unless the evidence is blatant and in the public or an athlete fails a doping test, this we've seen many times. I have no hope of that happening. The good thing is there's a consensus Sotnikova's run wasn't a 149 and the history books will take that consensus into consideration.
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I don't know about that. People said she had a great routine and really racked up the points. The issue is whether Yuna Kim deserved to be so low. One of the pitfalls of subjective and anonymous judging I guess. I'm not really seeing too many protests in honesty. Of course South Korea will try to do it not only because she's a big star there, but because they've really had a lackluster Olympics and are the next hosts.
 
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Kadayi said:
So there's no point lodging a formal complaint without evidence, and the reason why no one has lodged a formal complaint is because there's no evidence. But despite the lack of any evidence, there's definitely in your words 'a legitimate case' (presumably one that would stand up in appeals court) because a bunch of people whose opinions might not necessarily be all that objective about the result based on personal favoritism (Queen Yuna) or a clear understanding of the assessment criteria at the end of the day firmly believe there's one? Makes perfect sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

As regards the judge picture. It's not all that unusual for officals to congratulate competitors after an event. As I understand it Sotnikova once she found out she won hugged a number of people including coaches, staff, judges and even other competitors. But of course lets forget that she's a 17 year old girl whose just won Olympic Gold despite the odds in favour of her hugging that one Russian judge because it happens to fit the 'corruption' scenario.

I have to wonder if the shoe was on the other foot, and Yuna had won after a stumble and it was a Korean judge on the panel (which it could of been given they draw lots) 'caught' hugging her afterwards would you be here adamantly calling into an investigation into why Sotnikova didn't get gold? I suspect not.
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Let me clarify. There are legitimate reasons why people feel that the scores are unfair. There's no legitimate evidence of corruption, bribery, or whatever. In order to lodge a complaint, you need evidence.

Most observers agreed that Sale/Pelletier had the better performance in 2002, and they had legitimate reason to feel that way. But Sale/Pelletier couldn't do anything because they didn't have any evidence of wrongdoing.

The opinion that Kim > Sotnikova is perfectly valid. The lack of official complaint doesn't mean it's not.
 
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Madness said:
I don't know about that. People said she had a great routine and really racked up the points. The issue is whether Yuna Kim deserved to be so low. One of the pitfalls of subjective and anonymous judging I guess. I'm not really seeing too many protests in honesty. Of course South Korea will try to do it not only because she's a big star there, but because they've really had a lackluster Olympics and are the next hosts.
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I feel sorry for Kim tbh. Despite her post competition declaration of retirement and her apparent relief that it's all over with given the tremendous and effort the training and competing takes out of you, its pretty much inevitable that regardless of whatever an investigation would conclude that she will invariably be bullied by her management/country into participating in 2018 for sure given the event is on home turf. If it went her way in an investigation and she was awarded the gold then she'd be pressured to compete to try for a third to secure herself Olympic immortality, and if it doesn't then she'd be pressured to compete to in order to see justice served.

Kazerei said:
Let me clarify. There are legitimate reasons why people feel that the scores are unfair. There's no legitimate evidence of corruption, bribery, or whatever. In order to lodge a complaint, you need evidence.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legitimate?

There is nothing 'legitimate' about bringing something into question without evidence. You're deploying a word that is wildly inappropriate and carries and is in essence a judgment call on the situation before it has been decided. The KSU have every right to lodge an appeal if they feel there is a query over the scoring, and if they in fact have (news sources seem vary with regard to whether an appeal has officially been submitted) then that no doubt will be looked into, but it erroneous to state that they have 'legitimate reasons' simply because they have the right to appeal.

Also why are you bringing up judgements made prior to the new marking system? They are irrelevant. One of the reasons for the new system is to make the scoring clearer and weed out the possibility of bias and collusion in how the scores are arrived it. There was a Korean judge on the scoring panels for when Yuna won in 2010. Yet no ones complaining about that. Also have a look at the reddit someone posted earlier: -

http://www.reddit.com/r/olympics/comments/1yl6ay/ny_times_you_dont_think_this_wasnt_rigged/cfllag7

To summarize it regarding the 3 or 4 presumably Russian judges:

Alla Shekhovtsova was the judge entered by the Russian Figure Skating Federation. She judged upon PCS and GOE, along with 8 other judges from 8 other national federations. Whenever she scored an element higher or lower than her 8 fellow judges, her score was dropped.

Alexander Lakernik was the Technical Controller, and therefore part of the Technical Panel. He is the chairman of the ISU Technical Committee, and the father of the ISU Judging System which replaced the old 6.0 system after the 2003/4 season. As such, and just like the other two judges on the Technical Panel, he was nominated by the ISU, not by a national federation. His task consisted of identifying the technical elements of each skater, as well as underrotations and wrong takeoff edges. The other two members of the Technical Panel did the same, and if there was disagreement among them regarding an element, a majority vote was conducted. He did NOT provide any GOE or PCS scores, only one Russian judge was involved in that in any way (Shekhovtsova).

Alexander Kuznetsov was the Data Operator, who had no judging duties whatsoever at the competition. He neither identified elements, nor did he provide GOE nor PCS scores. All he did was listening to the Technical Panel members and entering their decisions into the judging computer, so they could focus on the skater's performance. His work was checked by the Technical Panel as well as the Referee.

Olga Baranova was another judge on the Technical Panel. Her nationality was reported as Russian by some media outlets, which she is in fact not. She is Finnish.

Having 1 Technical Panel judge, 1 GOE/PCS judge, and 1 Replay or Data Operator of the same nationality in a competition is not unusual. For example, the same thing happened in both Olympic pairs programs, where Troy Goldstein (USA) was the Technical Specialist, Anne Cammett (USA) a PCS/GOE judge, and David Santee (USA) the Data Operator.
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So despite all the accusations of corruption only one Russian judge was involved in the scoring, and her scores would automatically be discounted if they were higher or lower than those of the other judges.

And in the short program there was no Russian judge. In fact there was a Korean and US judge. Yet Sotnikova still scored within a whisker of Yuna.

What's the next step for how Yuna got robbed exactly? How deep does the butthole of hurt go?
 
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Madness said:
I don't know about that. People said she had a great routine and really racked up the points. The issue is whether Yuna Kim deserved to be so low.
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Sotnikova did not do a nearly world record-tying run, there's nothing in her program suggesting it.
 
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Solo said:
Just woke up to see some Norwegian dominance. Wow.

Looks like 0 medals for Canada today. This will be only the second day of the Olympics with no medals for us.
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Don't we have a good shot in 4-man bobsled tonight?

EDIT: nm runs 3 and 4 are tomorrow. Yeah, we might get shutout save for pursuit.
 
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Russian guy madr the same mistake as the Canadian. 16s behind after first shooting, exhausts himself closing the gap and the misses two on the second shooting and is now 25s behind. Stupid to gamble that early in the beginning of a relay.
 
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kottila said:
Russian guy madr the same mistake as the Canadian. 16s behind after first shooting, exhausts himself closing the gap and the misses two on the second shooting and is now 25s behind. Stupid to gamble that early in the beginning of a relay.
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Yeah it's a bit too early to go for broke.
 
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Ulumsk said:
Feared the Bøe brothers would be the weak links in the biathlon, but nope. Looks good.
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Bout time Tarjei stepped up his game. JT is still a child so much less pressure on his shoulders. OEB is looking a little tired maybe. Shouldn't be an issue if he can shoot like that again.
 
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Zeer0id said:
Still a chance for Bronze in the men's team pursuit!
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:(

So, we got shut out of medals on Day 6 and Day 15. Medals on all 14 other days. Not too shabby!

Men's hockey medal guaranteed tomorrow and Im hoping for 4 man bobsled too.......if those both happen, we hit 26 medals and tie our Vancouver total.
 
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