There's been a great deal of concern trolling about PlayStation's future on this website ever since the Switch 2 released

thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Well WRT Japan, it's not concern-trolling, probably. PS's facing complete irrelevance in Japan as they're still getting outsold by the first Switch 2:1, even after Switch 2's release.

A PS handheld will help a good deal, but without exclusive software that appeals to Japan in a mass-market way (and also happen to be globally applicable), we're talking a marginal increase at best.

Outside of Japan, I don't think Switch 2 is going to do much to rock the PS boat too much. PS was selling fine when Switch was picking up steam, same will happen going forward. In Western markets, SIE should actually be more concerned about Valve and Microsoft. The former not just because of further growth of Steam as a platform (which for an increasingly large portion of console gamers, looking like a viable alternative to systems like PlayStation), but also because of what (IMO much needed) market disruption they could bring if Steam Deck and Steam Deck consoles (if they come back, which I hope they do) go for the mass market.

Microsoft are basically trying to do what Valve's doing, but attempting to get ahead in some aspects, mainly out of fear of userbase bleed from Windows. I don't think they'll pull it off nearly as well as Valve will, but they'll still be able to piggyback off whatever benefits the burgeoning "PC-console gaming hybrid" market sees over the next 3-5 years (and further out). The gaming demographic convergence between PC and console has been accelerating the past 5-10 years, but PC continues to offer several benefits absent from traditional consoles. When companies like Valve are able to completely close the gap in UI, security, stability & controller navigation of the OS, consoles like PlayStation are going to face a very dire reality if they don't innovate in bringing QOL & feature parity improvements to compete with PC.

I'm talking things like getting rid of the online paywall, a real refund policy, some sort of system for mod support in games, something comparable to Early Access, user-trackable CCU & uptime/downtime statistics for online games, integrated forum communities, more flexible B2P pricing options, a range of optional productivity software (B2P & included in PS+), some way of facilitating multi-app support (maybe with PiP and swapping support), etc. All of which are things platforms like Steam and PC as a whole easily beat systems like PlayStation at. This is even more true if SIE continue with a multiplatform strategy that gradually winds down 1P exclusivity to their own PlayStation hardware (or makes it so limited as to be moot), which could end up happening at this rate.

If it does, then that leaves them only able to compete on features & pricing. Right now they're woefully behind on features, and the pricing advantage that used to be unquestionably in favor of a traditional console like PlayStation is slipping away as SIE pursue higher profit margins & things related to the economy (and politics) keep increasing component costs, raising prices for consoles to some degree. SIE seem to be concentrating most of their marketing focus towards Asian markets like China, which is smart, but it's coming at the expense of long-term retention with Western audiences. Maybe because they feel they're lock-ins, so they can take them for granted. That's true to some extent, but if the market for these PC-console gaming hybrids really does start growing exponentially over the next few years, it's Western markets where PlayStation will be most venerable to player loss. If Nintendo somehow manage to get more serious Western 3P support and release a Switch 2 Pro with legit great performance, that's something else of a major element that can eat players away from PlayStation.

SIE might be fine with that; they may be willing to risk it if it means fully breaking into markets like China. But to get those major strides there, they'll eventually have to acknowledge Jim Ryan's words are true, that PC is a competitor to PlayStation, and they'll have to stop feeding PC in China with Day 1 releases. Something SIE may or may not even be able to do, for a multitude of reasons. And if they can't, then their only choice to grow in the market will largely be driven by acting as a publisher; if Western market share is eaten up in big chunks by a stronger portfolio of PC-console gaming hybrids and Nintendo (supposing those two things see the factors converge they need to get that growth), then the PlayStation console market share starts to contract.

NOT saying it'd be a full-on collapse like what Xbox's gone through, not even close. But it'd be very possible for a future PS platform to look at 80-90 million lifetime sales over a 7-year period instead of the ~ 120 million of PS4. And, if that's the worst SIE'd see in lifetime hardware sales (though, this is assuming they do at least some of the things I was suggesting earlier)...they'd probably be fine with that if it meant getting a decent install base in China and expanding sales as a publisher on multiple platforms including their own.



What? PS6 speculation is about two systems: a traditional set-top box console and a companion handheld, sharing similar tech and games library.

There's no rumor about the PS6 itself being a hybrid console like the Switch.
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Why do Sony superfans want PS to be like Nintendo or Valve? Nintendo already exists and Steam already exists and you are free to buy their products.

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The only crowd on here that seems to be concerned at the moment are Team Green.

Having to praise and defend the record and reputation of Asus at the moment. And GamePass' effect on the industry.

Other than that think this place has been chill!
 
Let's be honest, each platform has basically the same handful of people criticizing it any time there is a thread about the platform. The only platform that seems to be in a worrisome state is Xbox. Sony and Nintendo seem to be doing just fine for their target audiences even if there are legitimate criticisms for each platform. I do think that enthusiasts on this forum are either out of touch with the general gaming population or choose to ignore it when getting occupied with certain concerns. Additionally, these are all businesses looking to maximize profitability in the short term and long term. They're not our friends so we need to stop being outraged by some of their strategies and simply talk with our wallets.
 
Before, the concern with Sony was that there isn't enough exclusive content on their platform from 1st party studios. But now I think we're entering a space where the quality isn't anywhere near what it used to be either.

The sequels they've launched this gen besides Ragnarok, has been quite disappointing.

Ballooning spend, but the quality isn't there. Most of their releases have become narratively messy.

But they're more profitable then they've ever been so I guess they're still winning in their own right??
 
Sigh, another one of these threads. Stop it, get some help.

We all understood that PEE ESS 5 is the best whatever happens. Fuck other consoles.

Happy?
 
yogaflame said:
Nice, another rage bait console war for fanboys which is actually good for the gaming industry to make it more competitive. :messenger_beaming:

It is truly is the best game of the year and possibly this generation. You will be missing allot if you don't play this game. It is very mysterious, unique, versatile, beautiful and very cerebral.
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Kojima knows how to make damn good video games. They have everything that makes the medium special and who wouldn't want to step into one of his curated worlds? It's been between this and Dune Awakening on PC for me right now.
 
Is it the weekend already???
 
I'm really concerned about the future of PS, it's all been downhill. Been using my PS5 as a doorstopper, at least then it gets some use. Absolutly no games. Switch² is selling so well, it's the end my fellow Ponies. Pack it up boys. 😭

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Switch 2? Nah.

But with xbox dead, ponies gonna have to get ready for a new dynamic. When that specific segment of the market is left to sony, they are going to get a lot more heat and it will only get more intense the longer the dynamic is established.

MS with os and productivity dominance is an extreme example. Everyone hates them. It's pretty much the default position to hate them lol. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
 
And yet i imagine you were fine with all the concern troll threads regarding nintendo leading up to the switch 2's release?

Look i get it, someone has to stick up for that lil guy sony…they're only the second biggest fanbase on this forum behind pc the poor thing.
 
Bloody Crow of Cainhurst said:
Which would be totally fine if the mods could make up their mind whether console warring is a bannable offence or not. I would love to get in on this action as well if we're playing by anything goes rules
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Shit......every day the PS fanboys bash Xbox every chance they get ...........'no games' ...............blah..blah..blah..........(even though 5 of the top 10 games in June for the PS were MS games).

Sony fanboys never got (or get) warnings or bans for console warring!
 
how can any PlayStation fan NOT be concerned and disappointed to some extent this generation? Is it possible that most of these "concern trolls" are people who love games and want/expect better from Sony?

Seems like the ones who aren't concerned are the fanboys whose personal identity and sense of self worth are tied to their favorite console.
 
i love sony kratos rased me buuuuut harv like one good game a year now third party is mostly crud all goord ones in switch 2 cyberpunk elden ring i will bee harpy with ps5 when gta6 come switch 2 main
 
Beechos said:
These 2 systems dont even compete with each other.
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Think Tim Robinson GIF by NETFLIX

Don't forget Sony makes astrobot and they are rumored to be planning a non-streaming handheld. Nintendo bought a Miyazaki directed exclusive that will now possibly not release on Playstation. Sure seems like a lot of suffering for two companies that don't compete. Even if they don't compete, Nintendo did take from the next gen consoles and PC with the miyazaki game. It's like saying movie theatres and netflix don't compete right before the next big Tarantino movie released as a day 1 Netflix exclusive. I think everybody is competing for everybody's time now. It doesn't help the next Miyazaki game looks just like Bloodborne 2.
 
I weirdly see more console warring in the opposite, but just as brain dead, way in these forums i.e people defending anti-consumer behaviours from their billionaire abusers and calling the people that call it out "haters" and "jealous". It is so bizarre to see, but it's always there.
 
Everything sucks to some degree.

Switch 2 sucks for its price, especially if you are a mobile gamer, better have battery banks
Playstation has been mostly bad this entire gen but look good next to their main competitor since they don't even know wtf they are doing at Xbox
PC gpu prices are out of hand and you better not buy anything with less than 16GB on it.

So instead of pointing figures at them, start blaming the industry as a whole for sucking down cocks quicker than a hotdog eating champ can eat
 
Bloody Crow of Cainhurst said:
Which would be totally fine if the mods could make up their mind whether console warring is a bannable offence or not. I would love to get in on this action as well if we're playing by anything goes rules
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To be frank, if the mods did actually make console warring bannable, we'd lose like 50% of GAF every time a Microsoft/Gamepass thread was created.
 
Simple really, the best hardware manufacturer and last remaining first party supporting their platform with true killer app exclusives launched a new platform for the first time in 8 years -- PS5 is great compared to the Xbox trainwreck this gen but less so compared to Nintendo bringing their 'A' game. And they've already launched 2 exclusive, non-cross-gen first party games with an 85+ Metacritic within six weeks -- it took PS5 five months to get their second one on the platform and the first one was a remake).
 
OP's post did not deserve all these replies and attention. Even negative attention. Should just be sent to his room to be alone and feel bad.
 
GigaBowser said:
i love sony kratos rased me buuuuut harv like one good game a year now third party is mostly crud all goord ones in switch 2 cyberpunk elden ring i will bee harpy with ps5 when gta6 come switch 2 main
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Man, reading your posts is like decoding the zodiac messages. I gotta thank you for giving my frontal lobe a workout. 💪
 
What does the launch of Switch 2 have to do with PlayStation? 🤔

The topic is so muddled and unclear that I honestly wonder if it's AI generated or not. Are we just saying random words?

"A great deal of concern trolling"? …. Huh? And what action are you asking/ expecting someone to take, even if this is an actual thing? Which, I submit, it likely is not actually a thing.
 
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