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[IlGialloMondadori]

 

[Dacvak]

So are we waiting for the weekend before we go Live?

 

[DenchDeckard]

It is impressive that Sony PS beat MS for 4 consecutive console generation from Xbox OG to Xbox series X/S.

Well if Sony can beat Nintendo on its own turf, then Sony PS brand will can surely be labeled as the goat. But that will surely be difficult and almost impossible, especially with Sony PS has left the principle of full exclusivity for the 1st and 2nd party Sony games, and still focusing on woke infested gaas, and losing the love of Japan gamers. Sony has history of beating Nintendo, with Gamecube and N64's defeat in the past. But Nintendo is much more tougher now on handheld/hybrid category.

I don't think current Sony could beat Nintendo at all. It's not really a fair fight. Sony need to get through this painful period of finding themselves again. I think people are becoming extremely tired of their rinse and repeat formulas, and lets be honest. More or less Ubisoft game design.

I'm hoping Yotei fixes the issues with GoT.

I also think, Sony chased the cinematic game and it feels like the fans of gaming are done with it. Theres a healthy 10 to 20 million worth of sales to go after for big titles like spiderman. I think Yotei can eclipse 10 mill sold but when Nintendo sell 30+ million of their big franchise releases, sony have a huge up hill battle.

 

[Esppiral]

Which would be totally fine if the mods could make up their mind whether console warring is a bannable offence or not. I would love to get in on this action as well if we're playing by anything goes rules

It has been like that for for Xbox for ages deal with it.

 

[Sephiran]

Is this some kind of joke? PS fanboys were busy dreaming up ''Wii U 2'' happening until Switch 2 broke records.

 

[IAmRei]

I think OP might not see GAF everyday, even without NSW2, Sony still got busted by people here. Or OP forgot Concord?
Anyway, only Valve is quite safe here, all three often got busted here. and It's fine, we are the consumer, and we have the right.
Just don't get too carried away, emotionally attached too much to one brand is not good tho

 

[PlayStaytion]

To clear things up, it's only console warring if you are against playstation.

Trashing Xbox is all good!

How about loving all boxes cause there's a meaning on doing so? everyone could say nice things about the other box that they don't have.

 

[rofif]

It is clear NeoGAF hates PlayStation and gaming in general

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

It is clear NeoGAF hates gaming in general

Fixed that for you.

 

[roosnam1980]

 

[BlackTron]

I don't think current Sony could beat Nintendo at all. It's not really a fair fight. Sony need to get through this painful period of finding themselves again. I think people are becoming extremely tired of their rinse and repeat formulas, and lets be honest. More or less Ubisoft game design.

I'm hoping Yotei fixes the issues with GoT.

I also think, Sony chased the cinematic game and it feels like the fans of gaming are done with it. Theres a healthy 10 to 20 million worth of sales to go after for big titles like spiderman. I think Yotei can eclipse 10 mill sold but when Nintendo sell 30+ million of their big franchise releases, sony have a huge up hill battle.

CaliSony cannot defeat Nintendo. It will never be a fair fight unless their HQ returns to Japan.

 

[IAmRei]

CaliSony cannot defeat Nintendo. It will never be a fair fight unless their HQ returns to Japan.

if You ever saw some of japanese playstation ads, it's clearly not for japan sadly. most games in PS not for all ages, as well add more salt in the wound as well.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nobody said that, some people are going wild with the narratives in their head.

Barely anyone outside of Gaf takes these concerns seriously.

 

[BlackTron]

if You ever saw some of japanese playstation ads, it's clearly not for japan sadly. most games in PS not for all ages, as well add more salt in the wound as well.

That is why Sony is slowly getting as dumb as Xbox, sadly. The people running both come from the same mindsets now. I don't even think they are fully self-aware of it.

 

[Felessan]

even if Sony is being eaten alive by Nintendo in Japan.

It was mobile that eaten Japanese market and Nintendo survived by focusing on the children who are too young for gaas
Young adult is 90% dominated by mobile gacha and PS/PC only left with scrapes

But that will surely be difficult and almost impossible, especially with Sony PS has left the principle of full exclusivity for the 1st and 2nd party Sony games, and still focusing on woke infested gaas, and losing the love of Japan gamers.

Japan gamers though love HSR and other gachas very much

 

[Karim]

 

[DenchDeckard]

CaliSony cannot defeat Nintendo. It will never be a fair fight unless their HQ returns to Japan.

I don't even think Japanese Sony could really do anything at this point to actually out perform Nintendo.

 

[Loope]

Of course it is. Phil has been doing it for years.

 

[BlackTron]

I don't even think Japanese Sony could really do anything at this point to actually out perform Nintendo.

Hey, I was just talking about making it a fair fight. Didn't mean to go down the whole rabbit hole

 

[Cakeboxer]

After defeating Xbox

Xbox defeated Xbox.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Hey, I was just talking about making it a fair fight. Didn't mean to go down the whole rabbit hole

Haha, I hear ya brother!

 

[Topher]

Xbox defeated Xbox.

Sony took advantage of Xbox stupidity in the PS4 years so they had a big part in Xbox's downfall.

 

[N30RYU]

A new system releases... a new system sells... a new system takes the media spot light... nothing new... indeed all sonyers need nintendo to shine with their exclusive games.

When all settles sony will remain on top... not only that... ppl should be CONCERNED that sony with PS in it's lowest due to gaas games and bombas like Concord are still above the rest without doing nothing this gen...

 

[BlackTron]

Sony took advantage of Xbox stupidity in the PS4 years so they had a big part in Xbox's downfall.

While this is technically true, Xbox sat down during a duel and put a target on their heads. Sony took the shot, but come on

 

[Cakeboxer]

Sony took advantage of Xbox stupidity in the PS4 years so they had a big part in Xbox's downfall.

I actually only see the funny "how to trade games" video here. Everything else, Xbox brought upon themselves starting with Xbox One. Too weak, too expensive, Kinect requirement, bad PR with the used games restriction, TV focus, always-online requirement, Game Pass with first party day1, expensive 3rd party failures like the Tomb Raider deal, abandoning exclusive titles, xcloud, parity clause, and much more.

 

[BlackTron]

I actually only see the funny "how to trade games" video here.

Exactly what I was thinking. Other than that, Sony just did their job of putting games out without any special strategies or gimmicks. Xbox couldn't handle it and suffocated itself.

 

[Topher]

I actually only see the funny "how to trade games" video here. Everything else, Xbox brought upon themselves starting with Xbox One. Too weak, too expensive, Kinect requirement, bad PR with the used games restriction, TV focus, always-online requirement, Game Pass with first party day1, expensive 3rd party failures like the Tomb Raider deal, abandoning exclusive titles, xcloud, parity clause, and much more.

The used game messaging was huge. Sony did learn from the PS3 and create a simpler console with the PS4. That allowed them to 1) put more investment into graphics/processing 2) undercut Xbox One by $100. PS4 was simply a more well thought out console than Xbox One. Sony deserves credit for that.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

(even though 5 of the top 10 games in June for the PS were MS games).

That would just mean that PS has even more games now...

 

[Cakeboxer]

The used game messaging was huge. Sony did learn from the PS3 and create a simpler console with the PS4. That allowed them to 1) put more investment into graphics/processing 2) undercut Xbox One by $100. PS4 was simply a more well thought out console than Xbox One. Sony deserves credit for that.

Sony didn't do anything groundbreaking, just what you'd expect after the mistakes they made with the PS3. Xbox did the opposite. Because of Kinect, they were simply way too expensive — the costs for that stupid camera were estimated at $150. As a result, they had to cut corners on the hardware, making it weaker and more expensive. It was doomed to fail from the very start.

I see it like a tennis match. Xbox keeps hitting the ball straight into the net, while PlayStation barely has to do anything. They just stay in normal form and win point after point without needing to shine or force anything. Or like a football match where one team scores 3 own goals and the other doesn't score at all but still wins.

I get your point, but I still disagree. Sometimes perspectives just differ.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

That's weird, I don't think there is enough shitting on Sony here. They deserve it more than anyone with what they have done this gen.

Either way, you'll be ok.

 

[Three]

There is certainly a lot of concern trolling FUD regarding PS I'll give you that. From its hardware to its games.

 

[adamsapple]

Pack it up guys, Sony is banned on GAF now.

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

How old are you OP?

 

[Celine]

It was mobile that eaten Japanese market and Nintendo survived by focusing on the children who are too young for gaas
Young adult is 90% dominated by mobile gacha and PS/PC only left with scrapes

Nintendo Switch is the best selling console of all time in Japan and is ahead of the second place (Nintendo DS) by million of units (and still churning out sales after the successor dropped) meanwhile in Japan the children population (0-14 years old) is actually shrinking.
Your claim is rubbish.
Nintendo is thriving in Japan because they are targeting everyone.

Is this some kind of joke? PS fanboys were busy dreaming up ''Wii U 2'' happening until Switch 2 broke records.

"Yeah, Nintendo is successful NOW but what about the successor? Nintendo's never got a successful transition after a breakthrough console."

(clearly from people that don't know history)

 

[Topher]

Sony didn't do anything groundbreaking, just what you'd expect after the mistakes they made with the PS3. Xbox did the opposite. Because of Kinect, they were simply way too expensive — the costs for that stupid camera were estimated at $150. As a result, they had to cut corners on the hardware, making it weaker and more expensive. It was doomed to fail from the very start.

I see it like a tennis match. Xbox keeps hitting the ball straight into the net, while PlayStation barely has to do anything. They just stay in normal form and win point after point without needing to shine or force anything. Or like a football match where one team scores 3 own goals and the other doesn't score at all but still wins.

I get your point, but I still disagree. Sometimes perspectives just differ.

I agree Sony didn't do anything groundbreaking. They didn't need to. Their strategy directly responded to Xbox One though. Their E3 presentation that year was devastating. That's not nothing.

 

[Felessan]

Nintendo Switch is the best selling console of all time in Japan and is ahead of the second place (Nintendo DS) by million of units (and still churning out sales after the successor dropped) meanwhile in Japan the children population (0-14 years old) is actually shrinking.
Your claim is rubbish.
Nintendo is thriving in Japan because they are targeting everyone.

Did you adjust numbers to the fact that in digital age bigger share of people play games, children included? Children nowadays prefer electronic screen to playing on open air
If it is for everyone - why young adult games struggle on Nintendo consoles?

 

[LakeOf9]

why young adult games struggle on Nintendo consoles?

What, exactly are you referring to?

 

[BlackTron]

What, exactly are you referring to?

Pretty sure young adult games = maximum edge

Whereas Mario would be for ages 4-12 and 27-90

 

[Horseganador]

There's room in the market for both consoles, and both will be +100 million consoles, which is where the concern lies.

 

[DntMesArnd]

How about loving all boxes cause there's a meaning on doing so? everyone could say nice things about the other box that they don't have.

LOL

Or just not waste any time or energy worrying about boxes people dont have. Not sure why people are so passionate about a different brand of video game console, and why they suck. They are all fine, like 95% of the games are the same for all systems.

If anyone hates another system that bad, I suggest buying it and giving it a try. It plays video games, if you like games you will probably have a good time.

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

It is clear NeoGAF hates PlayStation and gaming in general

No just their fans.

 

[Topher]

Really funny how a few folks apply individual opinions to the entirety of NeoGAF

 

[diffusionx]

I don't think current Sony could beat Nintendo at all. It's not really a fair fight. Sony need to get through this painful period of finding themselves again. I think people are becoming extremely tired of their rinse and repeat formulas, and lets be honest. More or less Ubisoft game design.

I'm hoping Yotei fixes the issues with GoT.

I also think, Sony chased the cinematic game and it feels like the fans of gaming are done with it. Theres a healthy 10 to 20 million worth of sales to go after for big titles like spiderman. I think Yotei can eclipse 10 mill sold but when Nintendo sell 30+ million of their big franchise releases, sony have a huge up hill battle.

I still don't know if gamers are tired of this formula, or if gamers don't like it as much because the games aren't as good.

All of their big games this gen are worse than their predecessors, and have bad word of mouth. I don't think Yotei is going to be the one that changes this. Intergalactic needs to be amazing at this point.

 

[LordOcidax]

I pray for neogaf when Death Stranding and Horizon Zero Dawn get announced for Switch 2 at the next direct.

As someone who has owned every PlayStation console at the time they were their current platform, I'm 100% concerned about Sony's future. Y'all say it's their most profitable generation ever, but that profit is off the back of microtransactions, battlepasses, and predatory pricing of live service games. These are all games I don't give a fuck about. So Sony's future to me is as uncertain as ever as they try their hardest to lean into that sector.

Is going to be Spider Man

 

[DenchDeckard]

I still don't know if gamers are tired of this formula, or if gamers don't like it as much because the games aren't as good.

All of their big games this gen are worse than their predecessors, and have bad word of mouth. I don't think Yotei is going to be the one that changes this. Intergalactic needs to be amazing at this point.

You know what, I agree. If a truly excellent game came along like the last of us. That does new things, isnt the rinse and repeat formula of a Ubisoft game with fancy graphics then I think the world would go nuts for it.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Why do Sony superfans want PS to be like Nintendo or Valve? Nintendo already exists and Steam already exists and you are free to buy their products.

Is "superfan" your way of just calling me a fanboy? And haven't I been pretty critical about SIE & PlayStation the past several months? A superfan/fanboy wouldn't be as critical as I've been with criticism towards them.

And what's wrong with wanting PlayStation to be better? Or are you saying Nintendo and Valve don't need competition, but PlayStation does?

 

[memoryman3]

There's room in the market for both consoles, and both will be +100 million consoles, which is where the concern lies.

I'm not sure the Switch 2 will hit 100 million sold consoles this time without a refresh and a price cut. PS5 will, but how about PS6?

 

[adamsapple]

Really funny how a few folks apply individual opinions to the entirety of NeoGAF

Using their freaking mind.

 

[Topher]

Using their freaking mind.

You are going to be accused of "bullying" now, you realize

 

[Felessan]

What, exactly are you referring to?

15-17+ age group. Those who already overgrow "princess is another castle" stuff.

Pretty sure young adult games = maximum edge

Whereas Mario would be for ages 4-12 and 27-90

lol at 27+
They only play if forced to play together with 4-12. Or someone who mentally stuck at 4-12.