Look at the reception to God Of War greek remastered. A bigger, more popular and older game than Oblivion and no PC version either
You've got the xbox regulars in there too
"There's Some Stuff That's Unannounced": Phil Spencer Teases Xbox Has More In Its Locker This Year
You've got the xbox regulars in there too
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
None of these factors really matter, many remasters are made by other support studios too, that still takes resources from other projects
Again, I'm not the one against remakes or remasters, so this is mainly a question for those crying about them to begin with yet somehow are perfectly okay with this apparently
thismeinteil
Member
Let's not be naive and pretend the narrative hasn't shifted for Xbox fans because of Xbox's dire situation. The same people who just a year or two ago were the most die hard of console warriors can now pretend they're unbiased gamers, all because MS was forced into going 3rd party.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Not so, sir.
#3 alone is gigantic. I'm basically finding out I get to play this for free. Pretty huge difference. I can play it or not play. I can play it for 2 hours or 100. It's almost impossible to be mad about something like that. #1 also sets the tone for the broader meta conversation around MS. MS is releasing an avalanche of stuff right now and already highlighted a lot for 2026. You can't claim that doesn't matter. That is hugely important as far as how much people are willing to tolerate remakes for. #2 same thing as #1. Bethesda also just released a big game, so no one is mad about a remake. #4 is also important, because it is made entirely by outside resources, and sure some of that is true but not the case for The Last of Us 1 and people pointed that out. #5 is also important because that's why people criticized TLOU remastered and Days Gone. They're already available and already look good so it's almost totally pointless. Same for the Horizon 1 remake.
Literally all my points matter completely and explain the difference. Read it again.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Like I said, the zealots care
Most gamers do not, most gamers are happy they are getting more games to play
I personally hope MS goes 100% full 3rd party on every single game and some here have called me a Playstation hater but I want to play more games on my Pro
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I know you're GamePass fanatic but it doesn't matter. It's an irrelevant question as to whether this remaster should exist or not.
Same as to the lineup, there's plenty of other games on rival platforms yet the criticism of remakes and remasters persists. Microsoft is releasing a lot of titles but most of it doesn't seem to have much selling potential or commercial appeal
Resources aren't made in a vacuum, an outside studio could be helping launch a new IP instead. Most games are developed in part with outside studio support
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Yes it does, obviously. Every point I listed matters. I'm not even trying to win an argument, I mistakenly tried to just actually explain it to you. But you clearly don't want the answer.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Many of these remasters and remakes on rival platforms are also on their paid sub services
So again, there's a double standard if that's your legitimate justification.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
You do know they're not day 1 on any sub on PS. And you're still replying to me to make me tell you this. I'm out. Go ahead and rail against the supposed hypocrisy. I won't stop you again.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Oh not day 1…as if that makes any difference at all
So if we combined twenty different nuanced factors, remasters are great.
I can simplify it for you - if Microsoft does a remaster (halo, oblivion), it's great, if anyone else does it then it's nothing but crying
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
-Effort? Okay so charging full price of the same game that came out 12 years ago, with already a "remaster" - with barely any performance boosts and then calling it a remaster/remake is better? - Cause this is the last of us. You've just said that because of less effort its okay for them to remaster the same game. No dawg, this is a cash grab. There is no joy seeing them release the same game with barely any improvements year after year at full price. That's my and many other's disdain. I get no say whether these companies make the game or not, and am always thrilled when new gamers pick up "older" games, but if you wont agree that Sony's has been milking TLOU hard- then nothing I or anyone says will sway you.
-Let me use a an example you will probably support- Skyrim- there have been so many editions of this game that have come out that its literally a joke if they ever announced a remaster. Them making a remaster for this is a money grab. Gaf probablly single handedly made this game on a fridge as a meme years ago and they would most likely make that version too.
- I dont know what the price of the Oblivion remaster is- But remastering/remaking a 20 year old game is a much more intensive process, and that too for a game that has never been remastered or remade. This is a worth while reason. There is a free next gen update to play the game on current gen consoles courtesy of MS/Bethesda with higher resolutions and 60fps.
While we dont know what the oblivion remake/remaster has changed, there is more nostaligia for this than say TLOU which is still relevant in current media. I use the TLOU as my example of what companies should not be doing. Remasters/remakes, like i have said are not my favorite, but i think you can agree with me that remasteting a 20year old game for 89.99 vs a game that has already been remastered once over for 89.99 that currently has a TV show
I cant keep track of what your complaints are in this thread?
is it:
- Why are we hyping up an xbox produced remaster of Oblivion- isnt xbox meh ?
-why are xbox making games because they never sell well?
- why are they making the game on xbox if it sells on ps5 better?
- why are they hyping up remastering this game because i (you ) played this game 20 years ago and it was meh then for you, even tho every critic and game devloper agrees that this is one of the best games ever made on a console both technically and critically?
- Why are some remasters received better than others?
As long as I can play these games on gamepass and still buy them on what ever platform i want, i dont give a shit.
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James Sawyer Ford
Banned
The improvements to TLOU pt 1 are substantial
The fact that it got a Rez and Framerate bump on ps4 is irrelevant
All the assets were retouched
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HYDE
Member
But Gamepass isn't free, you're subscribing to play it. Plus not owning anything…
And he's delivering this year.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Maybe you can't keep track of what I'm complaining about, because I'm not complaining.
I was pointing out the bar is lower on Xbox and asking why people apply double standards.
So, basically, I was asking just 1 question.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Congratulations, you've figured out how subscription services work.
What double standard is being applied here? Be specific.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
"Gaf" is not a monolith. Different CCU counts for different games being received differently is not a double standard. Not to mention factors like a game releasing simultaneously on multiple other storefronts / sub services etc.
This whole premise is flawed.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I'm not even talking about "Gaf". It's a certain group of people, helmed by you,
HeisenbergFX4
and
vaibhavpisal
(and no, I'm not saying you're one single front).Besides, Indy and Avowed are new releases, TLOU2 Remaster is an 'old' game, that had already sold 10+M on PS.
How is it then, that the latter is being labeled a flop, while the other are praised?
Because that implies that there are different standards and the bar is indeed lower on Xbox.
So, just asking for some clarification after months of us going back and forth.
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Not_A-Cop_Maybe
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Look at the reception to God Of War greek remastered. A bigger, more popular and older game than Oblivion and no PC version either
You've got the xbox regulars in there too
I dont know who the xbox regulars are, but perhaps you can attribute to the collosal meme-ing in that thread due to the how fantastic Sony fumbled the bag with their hit Concord. I imagine the reception to a leak which still has not been proven true due to fact that regardless of how many ps5's got moved plus with all the re-structuring at Sony that perhaps instead on putting out new games, they were aiming to release another Remaster - after announcing yet another remaster to TLOU, Horizon and MGS (tho this is multiplatform and may not be counted), and yet their big output around that time was Concord and chasing that live service bag that they ultimately realized wasnt it. There's even a remaster for Day's gone for god sake. that by admission that one of you have said is less effort and easier to remaster/remake is apparently acceptable to me is hillarious. Perhaps the reason why it seen as a positive thing on the xbox is because they arent pumping out remasters and remakes like sony has.
That being said, i would be all for a Greek remaster of those games. But if they remastered the current GOW (post greek) - i would say my point still stands.
Pretty sure MS has remastered like 3 games (now 4 w/ Oblivion (tho again this oblivion was eventually multiplatform) ) games - Halo CE and Halo 2 (which came as part of the MCC and sold for 40/50 bucks), and gears 1 was the ultimate edition - though i cant remember if gears was just 1 remastered and 2 and 3 were. Feel free to correct me if im wrong on this.
Edit: maybe Banjo counts too, but i think that was a HD update- idk.
In the same but arguably even less time, Sony has remastered TLOU 1&2, Horizon (even remade the game in lego format (idc i played a bit of it and thought it was hillarious), days gone, etc in an even shorter timespan. God of war has an remaster, but that was a HD remaster which due to the times, i dont really count that but i digress.
I dont think there is a double standard imo, i think its attributed to the fact that sony has been annoucing remasters more and more, and in such close time to the orignal game's/subsequent remaster release, and from pretty much last gen that when xbox has remastered a game from 20 years ago, its more "worthy" of a remaster.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
And again we're back to the idea that remasters are positive when MS does it but not when anyone else does it
MS allegedly has multiple remasters in the works, from oblivion, fallout, gears, and halo
That's not an insignificant amount, yet the reaction as you have stated is positive for one group only
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Killjoy-NL
Member
It is not about remasters at all though.
I'm addressing a very specific group of Gaffers, that you're not a part of.
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Kurotri
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From what I understand out of some leaks, apparently the underlying systems of the game remains mostly unchanged, it's still running on the original engine, whereas Unreal 5 was used mostly for visuals. In this regard, since foundational things are mostly the same code and all, I think it's actually closer to a remaster in that aspect. Though I'm no expert at this subject..
Punished Miku
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Capcom does nothing but remakes and re-releases. Namco just put out Tales of Grace's f. Konami is putting out Gradius in August and they released Suikoden last month. SQEX does this nonstop including FFVII which got high reviews, near universal praise and GOTY nods. Silent Hill 2 got near universal praise. Dead space got praise. Resident Evil 4 was literally in the running for a Geoff of the Year which I thought was a disgrace but I was the minority.
Maybe Sony fans should focus on Sony to figure out why people react a certain way to their news.
Nintendo got a lot of shit for Donkey Kong and their Switch 2 ports. MS does all that for free with patches and smart delivery.
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March Climber
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HD console 20th anniversaries are approaching. I'm assuming those in charge at Xbox are aware of this, which is why the new Oblivion is a thing, Perfect Dark is coming back, Halo is coming back, and Gears has a new prequel with Marcus. They seem poised to celebrate the Xbox 360's legacy.
We just have to hope that Sony is aware of a 20th anniversary coming on their end...or at least more aware than simply adding a last minute new profile picture or background, for funsies.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
The reaction is misguided. That's my point.
Sonys most important franchises blew up on the ps4, not older generations like on Xbox.
So why is it surprising that those are the ones to get remastered?
Kacho
Member
Mark of Kri Remake. Let's go.
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
Okay- let me explain it this way:
Oblivion, fallout, gears (setting aside gears 1) have no remasters/remakes.
Halo out of 7 games has 2.
Every sony game i have listed previously- has more than 1 remaster for the same game. Hence the meme - Remake-station.
Perhaps if we went to the threads when the 1 first remaster/remakes were announced, you would have the reaction you are looking for. People dont mind double dipping on what they believe
I think you are reading way too much into whether this is positive news for MS rather than positive news for a Oblivion remaster. Games that already have remasters or remakes wont get the same reception as a game that has never had one. I and many have not once made a comment on the game's quality or game itself.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Only the last of us does
djjinx2
Member
Bro I'm sorry, your a complete fanboy and it shows.I'm not even talking about "Gaf". It's a certain group of people, helmed by you,
Besides, Indy and Avowed are new releases, TLOU2 Remaster is an 'old' game, that had already sold 10+M on PS.
How is it then, that the latter is being labeled a flop, while the other are praised?
Because that implies that there are different standards and the bar is indeed lower on Xbox.
So, just asking for some clarification after months of us going back and forth.
But calling Heisenberg one?
Lol wut
Killjoy-NL
Member
Really don't care about the label. People act like it's an insult.
I never said he's a fanboy.
Besides, this is the first time I notice your name, so this doesn't concern you.
Team Andromeda
Member
Coming from the Generation fanatic, I like the irony
All you ever do of late is come into any Xbox game thread bashing it like some child who can't take the fact that Xbox is putting out more In-House games than SONY this year.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Please point out what exactly I'm bashing?
Microsoft's games this year are all part of recent acquisitions that were going to come out on PlayStation anyways
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I play about 75% of my games on PC and the rest on the Pro and haven't turned on my Xbox in MONTHS
But I hate Playstation for wanting to hold them to higher standards
You own every one of your games on disc and can be played offline?
I own a lot of discs as well (but not all) and thats the only true definition of owning a game.
And yet it's one of the best rated RPGs of all time, selling very well and winning a ton of awards on release.
Look at the reception to God Of War greek remastered. A bigger, more popular and older game than Oblivion and no PC version either
You've got the xbox regulars in there too
Seems like it was very well received? Was that the point you were trying to make?
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
Apologies: what i meant to say: was Sony has been remastering games closer and closer to the original game release, and that too double dipping even more when bringing new consoles.
MS has not.
taking the publisher out of the equation: remake a 20 year old game not a game that came out literally in 2019
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James Sawyer Ford
Banned
That's because Microsoft only has games from the 360 era to remaster
Sony's most important ps3 era titles are already remastered on ps4
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Killjoy-NL
Member
I bought and played it as well.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
This thread has delivered.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Looking forward to your impressions of the remaster as well.
I don't know wtf Concord has anything to do with any of this but you bringing it up instead of GOTY games like Helldivers 2 and Astrobot tells me everything I need to know.
Insane Metal
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Adam doesn't try to hide it though
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
So you agree that Sony is remastering games that have basically just been released like what 3-4 years ago? - well duh no shit the sentiment against this would be negative
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You've just proved my point by saying Sony keeps remastering games they already have or have just come out (relatively) and xbox has not.
Why wouldn't the sentiment be better towards games that have not been remastered?
Why would any consumer go- "shit i just played this game like 4 years ago for 89.99, now a shinier version of this exists on my ps5 with no additional content but hey i can play it on 4k 60 for 89.99" or "hey theres a game i havent played in 20 years that's for 89.99 that apparently has been fully redone"
Yeah i know which one a normal consumer would pick.
Nice try with the bait about the xbox 360 tho.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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god bless you goat spencer
djjinx2
Member
What alternate timeline am I living in FFS
