BloodySinner
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I don't want to be black right now. Death penalty for all of them, please.
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Thirteen adult men and five boys arrested in gangrape of an 11 year old.
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ZephyrFate
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The fact that you think we're actually defending the fuckers in the OP makes me think you're reading only every third word.Satyamdas said:
Oh, excuse me, you're such a rational man, one who defends those of privilege (every past thread) and cries of bloodlust.
faceless007
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Not that I care that much but
No they aren't. "You are bad" != "The people in the story are good."
Satyamdas said:
No they aren't. "You are bad" != "The people in the story are good."
Devolution
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Mechanical Snowman said:
Rapists aren't as anomalous as you think because of our current culture. People will scoff but there really is a rape culture at work.
No one in this thread has demonstrated any willingness to exact vigilante justice. All you have are angry words expressing anger. Yet you are acting as if these words might somehow manifest into actual retribution against the perpetrators, and you are wagging your fucking finger as if to scold those who register their disgust. And for what? To protect the rights of this scum from being trampled on by an angry message board post?? :lol indeed.ZephyrFate said:
Uh, you can defend something without believing that it is good. Clearly KO and Zephyr don't like seeing people wish harm upon the perpetrators, and they are trying to defend them from angry comments calling for vigilante justice. That doesn't mean they approve of their behavior, and I didn't imply that they do.faceless007 said:
ZephyrFate
Banned
I love how you are continuously implying that I don't wish harm upon these people; they will receive what is just and proper for them in our court system, and in prison.Satyamdas said:
Vigilante and/or mob justice is just fucking retarded.
Devolution
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Pristine_Condition said:One of the suspects is named Devo?
I'm guessing whoever named him didn't know what the word "Devo" meant.
Huh...kinda prescient, if this suspect took part in this crime.
Or they just wanted something short for Devon. I go by dev or devo online.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
They aren't expressing the willingness to commit the acts, but they are condoning them.Satyamdas said:
paparazzo
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Ignis Fatuus said:
Wtf at everyone blaming Texas for this? There are similiar stories that took place in other states and were posted about on gaf. Not to mention the recent story (posted on gaf) about those two lower than scum monsters that were involved in distributing a video involving sexual assault of the woman's OWN infant. That happened in California, but let's blame Texas since awful shit only goes down there.
Mortrialus
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I'm unsure if you people are being hyperbolic, or bombastic, but saying things like "They're animals" or "their monsters" only serves to diminish their crimes. It's almost childish and it annoys me. Humans are animals. But even animals have standards. Monsters don't exist.
In the end, the people responsible are unimaginably cruel and incredibly stupid. That they were foolish enough to video tape it is something of a blessing in disguise. There is no way they are getting out of their crimes.
In the end, the people responsible are unimaginably cruel and incredibly stupid. That they were foolish enough to video tape it is something of a blessing in disguise. There is no way they are getting out of their crimes.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Two different cases. Confused me too.xbhaskarx said:
WTF? You are seriously having trouble deciphering the figurative usage of the term "monster" being used to describe people who gangraped an 11 year old? Not quite sure if it's hyperbole or bombast? These childish people might actually believe monsters exist?Mortrialus said:
Humans are animals. But even animals have standards.
So if these fucks are engaging in behavior that even animals can manage to avoid, and which the vast, vast, vast majority of humans can avoid, can you not see why people would describe them with a word which denotes neither human nor animal, such as "monster"?
The reason people call them animals or monsters is because what they did falls so far outside the realm of normal human behavior, and saying such labels "diminishes their crimes" is absurd.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Dude what the fuck? Are people seriously blaming the little girl? >:
KO Traveling Hobo
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Look at it this way: a human is perfectly capable of abstaining from such behavior, and it takes a conscious decision to commit the crime. A monster or subhuman is held to lower standards, and is even expected to behave in such a way.Satyamdas said:
Also, you need to take a chill pill, broseph. Getting so angry over posts on the internet cannot be conducive to long term health.
IrrelevantNotch
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I wish you people would wait for a court to find them guilty before getting all riled up.
zerokoolpsx
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It's almost like they justifying it's ok to rape and they honestly didn't know she was a middleschooler. Boys will be boys mentality my ass. They have it on video on a cellphone where they're easily identified. Raping a minor? They deserve the harshest punishment.
Exactly, which is why the pejorative fits in cases like this.KO Traveling Hobo said:
Nah son, I think you just need to lay off the armchair psychoanalysis. I'm not angry about this in the slightest. Don't let a few expletives and a willingness to engage on a subject be mistaken for anger.
faceless007
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It's called "slut-shaming." Thankfully this thread seems relatively empty of it, but if the girl were a few years older I think it'd be a different story.InfiniteNine said:
Ivan A Nguyen
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I find this part messed up. The story outright gives the full names of suspects in the case, some of whom are underage, and yet it 'protects' the name of the victim.MIMIC said:
Regardless of your views on the crime, it still remains that in this country, a person is innocent until proven guilty. While there is a video of the crime, it only showed 5 men who had already been arrested. Even then, until convicted, their names should be protected as well.
What happened to that girl is wrong and the people responsible won't make it very long after convicted and sent to prison. I do not condone what happened. I just don't believe it's responsible of the press to be reporting the names of suspects in such a fashion.
MilesWebber
Member
The logistics are fucking with me. How the hell do you get THAT many people together at once to do this sort of thing?
This is just fucking terrifying if the facts are right.
This is just fucking terrifying if the facts are right.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
But consciously choosing to commit such a crime is so much worse than doing something that you have no control over. They knew what they were doing and the consequences of their actions.Satyamdas said:
And personally, I think that labeling and perceiving people as subhuman is just a bad habit in general.
Night_Trekker
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I have no understanding how someone could blame the damn girl in this situation.
"Outside the realm of acceptable human behavior," certainly. Gang rapes are more common than we would like to believe, though.
Satyamdas said:
"Outside the realm of acceptable human behavior," certainly. Gang rapes are more common than we would like to believe, though.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Night_Trekker said:
well that one cop in canada woulda said something like "maybe she shouldnt have dressed the way she did" right?
as terrible as this sounds, i'm sure it happens a lot more than we actually realize. at least these fuckers were caught.
Mortrialus
Banned
KO Traveling Hobo said:
That is exactly my point.
And yes, a healthy person is perfectly capable of abstaining from abhorrent behavior like this. But it doesn't take as much as you think to make otherwise normal healthy people commit abominations. Do you want me to start throwing history at you?
Also, I'm not angry in anyway. How did you even come to that conclusion? I criticized the use of rhetoric going on, but I'm not mad at anyone here.
Satyamdas said:
No, not exactly. In fact, that demonstrates my point. These people were not held to lower standards. They are not "monsters". They were not expected to behave this way. They are people who failed to meet the standards of our society, not 'boogeyman's'. Calling them monsters means they were never expected to be healthy members of society in the first place, which is just a stupid thing to say.
Night_Trekker
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Satyamdas said:
No, but neither is murder, and I firmly believe every person on the planet has the capacity to commit murder.
But your point is well made. I don't think everyone has the capacity for gangrape, even if this kind of brutality is more common than we would like it to be (and I do think that says something important and disturbing about human nature). That's what I was trying to get at, awkwardly, in the other post.
There is no 'normal' human behavior. Your behavior is detriment on the environment you live in. Surely gang rap was non-existent in the days of early agrarian societies.Satyamdas said:
What they did was shit, but people should never forget the fact that these guys weren't born with the destined goal of gang raping this child..
OttomanScribe
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Wow. 'Boys will be boys' eh?
Who on earth says that in gang rape cases!?
That is apart from when the people are Australian Rugby League stars.
MarkMclovin
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Jesus Christ. No words.
statham said:
sounds like battle royale. put down the pipe.
edit: it said the video had been passed around - anyone in possession of the video should also be on trial, just obviously for lesser charges. the victim is 11yrs old which equals possession of child pornography. hopefully their throats are all promptly slit.
Napoleonthechimp
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How about you wait until the judge determines their innocence or guilt before doing it yourself.
gundamkyoukai
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Nothing surprises me anymore about humans , some of us can be monsters.
The level of extreme detachment from basic human decency which enables a person to do something this terrible is exactly why many peoples' first reaction is to say something like "OMG what a sick and twisted creature, what you have done is inhumane".KO Traveling Hobo said:
The average human has no desire to rape or torment fellow human beings. Therefore one who does have that capacity within them must be something "else". This is strictly a gut-level emotional reaction, because no one will dispute that the attackers are factually human beings.
One of the main functions of the mind is to categorize stimuli, and in the case of something like this, the mind immediately rejects the idea that "the kind of person who could do this is similar to me", and instead searches for a description of some more evil, objectively "lower" form of life to describe them as, thereby distancing themselves from the wretched beings in question.
You have to keep in mind that people responding immediately after reading something like this are not in a mode of intellectual contemplation, they are in a mode of emotional revulsion, and are simply trying to register the degree to which they find the actions abhorrent.
I agree, if a person is willing to throw those kinds of terms around willy nilly at any little thing or if they are apt to using that term to apply to groups of people, that is probably an indication of an overly judgmental and possibly dangerous mentality.KO Traveling Hobo said:
In cases like this which are on the extreme end of the depravity scale, I don't really have a problem with it.
I don't even think we all have the capacity to commit murder, unless you would consider lethal self-defense murder. Having the physical ability to do something and having the moral desire or willingness to do it are completely different, and I would wager that a sizable portion of the population could never bring themselves to murder in cold blood.Night_Trekker said:
Totally agree that this kind of shit happens far too often. Especially considering that while we hear of stories like this in the news none of us hears them all, and that is of course not counting the times where it happens and is never reported. Shit really bums me out.
I assume you meant "your behavior is 'determined' by your environment"?Sentry said:
While I agree there is no strict "normal" human behavior, I was using the term to mean "commonplace" or "typical". There are too many of us and too many various things that various cultures do to say that there is some "normal" mold which applies to everyone. But the fact is that humans who rape and kill are in the extreme minority, and in no way can be considered an example of "typical" or "normal" human behavior, which does exist. It is not hard to recognize common behaviors across different cultures and societies, and those commonalities can be called the "norm". That classification makes no value judgment one usually associates with the word "normal", it is mere observation.
There are regions of the world where rapes like this happen exponentially more often, and even considering them within the global population, gangrape cannot be considered "normal" human behavior. It is terrible, and it happens far more frequently than it should (it should never fucking happen), but that still doesn't mean that it is not an abnormal occurrence.
Well on one hand you are saying environment determines behavior, and on the other you say they didn't have a predestined goal laid out. If one's environment does determine behavior, that would mean that this goal was at least partially laid out for them.Sentry said:
I tend to agree with you though, that when it comes to nature vs. nurture in cases like this, I lean pretty heavily towards nurture being the dominant factor. Nature gives us all the physical abilities to do horrific things, but I think the capacity to do them is forged largely by cultural influences. If everyone you know and interact with is of the opinion that women are objects for male pleasure and that raping or assaulting them is no big deal at all, then you are probably more likely to engage in that behavior than if you were taught by everyone you know that the opposite is true, that such actions are unequivocally wrong, detestable, and unacceptable.
Dreams-Visions
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Pretty easy if they look old. On a rare ocassion, young people can look quiet old.kiunchbb said:
My god-brother was getting carded at 11 for youth movie ticket prices because nobody believed he was 11.
and I already told the story about the 12 year old girl I knew who as pulling grown men. She looked 19, at the very youngest.
Mortrialus
Banned
Satyamdas said:
Perhaps, but you will be surprised how far most people will go when the right psychological buttons are pushed, particularly with authority figures. Do I need to remind you of the Milgram Experiment and the Stanford Prison Experiment .
Cold blood? Perhaps not. But if the Milgram Experiment is anything to go by, about 60 percent of people can be expected to do kill another under the command of authority figures.
With human behavior and psychology, there is always going to be some levels of variation in every one, and collectively in almost every factor. That is how biology works and psychology as well. There are social norms, but I think its better to refer to things as natural verses socially acceptable. Abominable behavior like gang rape is a minority likely because the society as a whole as deemed it unacceptable. Humans are a hierarchical species. We are biologically disposed to following authority and I think you gravely underestimate how easily people can go when under the influence of an authority figure, which is, unfortunately, natural and frighteningly common.
I wouldn't mind the subhuman monster name-calling so much if it didn't encourage ridiculous hyperbole and calls for mob justice. Not that posting shit on a message board is going to make a difference, but it's hard to tell who's serious and I dislike reading bad opinions either way.
They can't and won't believe their loved ones could have committed an act like this. It's not hard to figure out.Router said:
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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They have no proof of anything so why not let these fine gentlemen go.
It sickens and scares me that there are so many people in our society that do things like this.
It sickens and scares me that there are so many people in our society that do things like this.
The community and families of the rapists bother me more than the rapists themselves.
It is hard to figure out. You see these cretins all the time on the news and I never understand them. If they genuinely didn't know that their kids / friends / guys down the road were scum then they're as thick as pig shit.tiff said:
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