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Thirteen adult men and five boys arrested in gangrape of an 11 year old.
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tiff said:
Yeah I know it's like people don't understand a simple thing.
Just because you happen to I guess "be something" (rich, poor, murderer, etc) does not mean that you "are something" (IE rich: physically and mentally healthy, law abiding citizen etc).
Again, never brought up the ethnicity of those in the "hoods". And while I might as well accept your anectdote it doesn't exactly contradict my guess.tiff said:
Since you seem to have contacts in the ghettos then you might perhaps ask yourself if it's possible that a large part of the youths there model themselves after the people who talk about bling, hoes and shooting people.
Sure, they might want to be rich, have hoes and shoot people because they live in poor areas. Which is why I suggeted that a comparative study be done between an area exposed to a lot of BET and Ghetto-culture media and another area, with similar factors in terms of poverty and literacy, which isn't exposed to the glorification of living like a "gangstah".
Sho_Nuff82
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The studies coming out of South Africa indicate that it's a perverted form of male bonding/initiation. The younger guys were likely pushed into by the older ones to prove their "manliness" or to lose their virginity. It's also used as a way of "punishing" alluring females who reject sexual advances or for "correcting" homosexual behavior.bengraven said:
All of it is reprehensible, but there is definitely a socializing aspect behind it that explains why mobs of people go along with it, not unlike public lynching.
Edit: for all the talk of affluence and media, aren't college campuses the most likely place for women to be raped? Something like 20% of women on campuses around the country are raped, I doubt the gang-rape stats are that bad in the worst cities in America.
It's a little disheartening that you must see a study before you can even open your mind to the possibility. It's doubly disheartening when I can produce one for you...Londa said:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8449-violent-video-games-alter-brains-response-to-violence.html
And you can probably refute it with a ten second Google search and a conflicting study. I guess we'll have to call it a day. Oh well, back to dog-piling Shanadeus for saying the same thing I am but in a far clumsier manner.
Shanadeus said:
By that definition, the entirety of New York is a ghetto. Ghettos are sections of cities where one predominate race lives, usually because they've been forced there via legal or financial means. Poverty and overcrowding are certainly implied in the word ghetto, as most ghettos have been poor and overcrowded, but the word is inherently racial.
In America, in particular, when you say ghetto, you're discussing the American black ghettos. Yes, some white (hispanic, asian, etc.) people live in the American black ghettos, but they are predominantly black (which is why they're ghettos) and making sweeping generalizations about the habits of people who live in American ghettos is going to lead you into making sweeping generalizations about black people, their primary residents.
None of which has anything to do with this discussion, because Cleveland, Texas isn't any kind of ghetto, as I already pointed out.
(And seriously, how do you think inclusion of BET as a criteria for ghetto makes your commentary non-racial? You know that B stands for Black, right?)
Thanks, but that study only shows that they are desensitized to violent images. The other test used a game. Everyone likes to do the most flashiest actions in games. This does not show that they would carry out a violent act in real life.SmokyDave said:
I also don't see anywhere where they test their mental health.
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dude said:
I thought the same thing..... Mothers are so blind. Not even a skunk thinks their child stinks.
EYEL1NER
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But what would the portion of GAF who believe animals should be treated like people have to say about this? If you are going to kill these people like you would kill an, oh I don't know, an owl, how would you kill them? Since owls are put on a pedestal and treated like (or better than) infant children and all.B.K. said:
The gang rape was horrible enough. Then I readed about the fucking idiots justifying the acts of their sons because "she asked for it". Sterilize them all and put their children into goverment custody. They are clearly unable to educate anyone,and their shitty parenting and gene pool endagers our society.
Sho_Nuff82
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Shanadeus said:
Shanadeus - please don't take this the wrong way - I can't tell if you're just a misanthrope by nature, a very clever troll, or just extremely naive, but your philosophy on life is unique to say the least. Your ability to post something that outrages a large number of people in nearly every thread is just staggering. To answer your question, rape is obviously older than rap music. Rape per capita has gone down over the last three decades, the entire existence of known gangsta rap.
Sexual assault is not an uncommon occurrence, even amongst the affluent.
And race has little to do with it in the US, for anyone who would suggest otherwise. Black women are for the most part raped by black men, and white women are for the most part raped by white men:
Wiki said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States
astroturfing
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pieces of worthless shit. but they'll get whats coming to them.. and those people daring to blame the victin are astonishingly stupid and fucked up.
btw whats up with so many people thinking rape is nothing nowadays..? even here on GAF, just yesterday i saw two random users sporting avatars of a rapper that belongs to a group that literally raps about raping girls ("Tyler the Creator"..) so fucking sad and i simply cannot understand at all..
btw whats up with so many people thinking rape is nothing nowadays..? even here on GAF, just yesterday i saw two random users sporting avatars of a rapper that belongs to a group that literally raps about raping girls ("Tyler the Creator"..) so fucking sad and i simply cannot understand at all..
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Most you you here are lucky. I live near Houston and get to watch this play out on every news broadcast.
So far the 'best' bit was one of the mother's on TV saying how the victim always acted like she was older and tricked the 20+ guys into having sex with her in that abandoned trailer home. It will be interesting as they always report that multiple cellphone videos were taken during everything.
I haven't seen anything on here (yet) of another news story here in Houston where a single 22yr old woman ran a 24/7 daycare out of her house without any employees. She left the stove on and went to the store while her house was filled with kids (20 months - a few years old) and 4 kids died from the fire. The lady then fled to Africa.
Houston. Texas. What a great place to live :-/
So far the 'best' bit was one of the mother's on TV saying how the victim always acted like she was older and tricked the 20+ guys into having sex with her in that abandoned trailer home. It will be interesting as they always report that multiple cellphone videos were taken during everything.
I haven't seen anything on here (yet) of another news story here in Houston where a single 22yr old woman ran a 24/7 daycare out of her house without any employees. She left the stove on and went to the store while her house was filled with kids (20 months - a few years old) and 4 kids died from the fire. The lady then fled to Africa.
Houston. Texas. What a great place to live :-/
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Count Dookkake
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In Shanadeus's defense, did you ever notice that you can't spell 'rape' without 'rap'?
Phoenician_Viking
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Dammit. Fuck those rapists.
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I laughed harder than was warranted.Count Dookkake said:
good show.
So heres the thing, does the rap culture influence the rape culture or is it in fact so that there already was a rapeculture and that it just influenced the rap culture?
Looking at statistics, blacks are grossly overrepresented even if you take socioeconomic factors into count. What does this mean?
There is all kinds of answers, some are more controversial than others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
According to a study of race and the victims of rape(the latest one I could get from BJS) it basically says that in 2007, 7.6% of all the raped white victims had a black offender, and of all the raped black victims 0.0% of the offenders were white.
This is the same for 2005 and 2006(the percentage was much higher for black-on-white rape, about 16-17%).
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus07.pdf
So is this to be considered hatecrimes?
Looking at statistics, blacks are grossly overrepresented even if you take socioeconomic factors into count. What does this mean?
There is all kinds of answers, some are more controversial than others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
According to a study of race and the victims of rape(the latest one I could get from BJS) it basically says that in 2007, 7.6% of all the raped white victims had a black offender, and of all the raped black victims 0.0% of the offenders were white.
This is the same for 2005 and 2006(the percentage was much higher for black-on-white rape, about 16-17%).
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus05.pdf
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus07.pdf
So is this to be considered hatecrimes?
Rape Culture 101.Shapingo said:
This story is really messed up and really sad. I'm not surprised that there's victim blaming, this constantly happens. It disgusts me that people are like this.
Well, that answer deals with how things *are* (in America). It doesn't really touch on whether it's acceptable or right or not.alphaNoid said:
With rape especially, there are far too many instances of wrongful arrest where innocent people have their lives destroyed because the shadow of suspicion forever hangs over them... that I think their names should be kept secret until they've been convicted at the very least.
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Sir Fragula said:
Yep, good old common sense. Unfortunately, the law trumps it every time. The problem also lies within the media - they love to throw accusations about - but also know that reporting about people being eliminated from enquiries doesn't sell sh*t.
ZephyrFate
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I'm surprised so many people are surprised about people blaming the victim. This is a tradition that goes back since the beginning of human history. Look at sharia law in Muslim societies, the movie The Magdalene Sisters and Irish Catholocism...
Lionheart1337
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The idiots who are saying it's because of ghetto or rap culture should look into the times where these things did not even exist....because rape did, maybe even more so than before these cultures existed.
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F@mous said:
As a rap fan, plenty. Does that mean it causes rape? absolutely not and it is foolish to think so. That's like saying action movies where people get killed inspire murder irl.
Devolution
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Lionheart1337 said:
It reinforces the attitudes that make men/boys think that consent is some joke and that women are nothing but fuckholes.
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Devolution said:
And without data to support that, you are cherry picking.
pigeon interrupted
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The root cause is, and always has been, the objectification of women. Treating them like a piece of disposable property, claiming ownership, judging on beauty, using them as tools for financial advancement, etc.
As a society we are supposedly enlightened - but if you look around any culture you can still see it everywhere. It's just another dark part of human nature that we can't shut out.
Music that reduces women to a pair of t*ts is just a tiny part of it. It helps keep the fire burning. It is normally the music of young males. Factor in the pack mentality (seen in your local Frat) and it doesn't paint a pretty picture of us.
As a society we are supposedly enlightened - but if you look around any culture you can still see it everywhere. It's just another dark part of human nature that we can't shut out.
Music that reduces women to a pair of t*ts is just a tiny part of it. It helps keep the fire burning. It is normally the music of young males. Factor in the pack mentality (seen in your local Frat) and it doesn't paint a pretty picture of us.
Devolution
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Lionheart1337 said:
No I'm not. You seriously need data when its common sense that prevailing attitudes towards women, especially in rap, are misogynistic?
Dude Abides
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F@mous said:
Have you ever heard of a group called Odd Future?
Devolution
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F@mous said:
Have you heard the expression "running a train on a trick."
Sho_Nuff82
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Sir Fragula said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and state that the number of unreported or unprosecuted rapes far, far outweighs the number of false accusations. Being indicted (not merely arrested) for a crime should always remain a part of public record.
Devolution is correct: a large portion of hip hop music in general is disrespectful to women and objectifies them as sex objects. It also promotes a definition of masculinity defined by sexual prowess/promiscuity, and opulent spending. But I truly believe that the music is reflective of the rape culture pervasive in America, not responsible for it. I'd really love to have someone sit down and interview these guys after the trial (make no mistake, they're all going to jail for a very long time) and ask them why they did it and how they felt about it. I think you'd find a widely varying mix of remorse, peer pressure, sexual excitement, and utter contempt for the victim amongst the group.
From the South African study on gang rapes:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31835572/ns/world_news-africa/
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msnbc said:
It's passed down from generation to generation. The older guys in this case were probably similarly sexually initiated when they were younger. Though traumatic, rather than rejecting those that pushed them into it, they normalize their behavior by repeating it to another generation of teens when they get older. This cycle allows them to reconcile the actions in their minds because "hey, everybody does it."
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