you mean that as a total number or as a % of the population?TGateKeeper said:more whites buy rap cd's than blacks.
tiff said:Also the craving for sexual conquest is ubiquitous among men of any race or social status. To pin all the blame on ghetto culture is pretty unfair and comes off as a little racist.
Shanadeus said:I'm very aware of the historical origin of the word ghetto but I can't see it's relevance here..
Again, never brought up the ethnicity of those in the "hoods". And while I might as well accept your anectdote it doesn't exactly contradict my guess.tiff said:Having talked to actual, real life, impoverished black people before, I can confirm that not all of them want to be pimps and gangbangers, yes.
I appresiate your opinion but until there is a study showing other wise, media doesn't cause mentally healthy individuals to be violent.SmokyDave said:I think you're looking at this in far too simplistic a manner. It's not as if someone is going to listen to a track, flick the iPod off and then immediately go out and get their rape on. It's more the cumulative effect of hearing the same pervasive messages over and over again, propagated by people considered as role-models.
Would you consider things like 'advertising' and 'propaganda' to be utterly ineffective?
Do you think it is possible that people can have their views shaped by the people around them and people they consider as 'role-models'?
I don't think we'll ever 'know' the effects of different media on different people for sure, but I think it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility out of hand. Marketing departments exist for a reason.
The studies coming out of South Africa indicate that it's a perverted form of male bonding/initiation. The younger guys were likely pushed into by the older ones to prove their "manliness" or to lose their virginity. It's also used as a way of "punishing" alluring females who reject sexual advances or for "correcting" homosexual behavior.bengraven said:Why?
WHY?
Why are 13 men so desperate that they gang together to rape a little girl? I hate to say this, but can't some of them find women to consensually fuck them, even if for money? I suppose if they raped anyone older, they would be worried that person would turn them in.
We no longer live in a world where rape is an act of warfare or necessary for brutish copulation.
Why are there 13 people so fucking crazy that end up meeting up with each other?
I hate this planet. I hate this country. Fuck the planet. We deserve a meteor.
That is possible, I've throughout this thread meant it being an overcrowded urban area in which rap culture is at large and where a large significance of the population listen to BET.besada said:You asked what this had to do with race. The word ghetto is inherently racial. For someone who claims to be very aware of the meaning of the word, you've used it wrongly throughout this thread.
It's a little disheartening that you must see a study before you can even open your mind to the possibility. It's doubly disheartening when I can produce one for you...Londa said:I appresiate your opinion but until there is a study showing other wise, media doesn't cause mentally healthy individuals to be violent.
Shanadeus said:That is possible, I've throughout this thread meant it being an overcrowded urban area in which rap culture is at large and where a large significance of the population listen to BET.
Thanks, but that study only shows that they are desensitized to violent images. The other test used a game. Everyone likes to do the most flashiest actions in games. This does not show that they would carry out a violent act in real life.SmokyDave said:It's a little disheartening that you must see a study before you can even open your mind to the possibility. It's doubly disheartening when I can produce one for you...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8449-violent-video-games-alter-brains-response-to-violence.html
And you can probably refute it with a ten second Google search and a conflicting study. I guess we'll have to call it a day. Oh well, back to dog-piling Shanadeus for saying the same thing I am but in a far clumsier manner.
dude said:Well, he convinced me.
But what would the portion of GAF who believe animals should be treated like people have to say about this? If you are going to kill these people like you would kill an, oh I don't know, an owl, how would you kill them? Since owls are put on a pedestal and treated like (or better than) infant children and all.B.K. said:It's not bloodlust. It's justice. Animals deserve to be treated like animals.
Shanadeus said:That is possible, I've throughout this thread meant it being an overcrowded urban area in which rap culture is at large and where a large significance of the population listen to BET.
Can't think of a better term than "ghetto" for that.
Wiki said:There were 194,270 white and 17,920 black victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2006. Out of the 194,270 cases involving white victims, 50.6% had white offenders and 16.7% had black offenders, while the 36,620 black victims had a figure of 43% black offenders, the remaining being of other or unreported race, with a negligible number of white offenders.
Rape culture, which spread is aided by rappers such as the one you just brought up.astroturfing said:pieces of worthless shit. but they'll get whats coming to them.. and those people daring to blame the victin are astonishingly stupid and fucked up.
btw whats up with so many people thinking rape is nothing nowadays..? even here on GAF, just yesterday i saw two random users sporting avatars of a rapper that belongs to a group that literally raps about raping girls ("Tyler the Creator"..) so fucking sad and i simply cannot understand at all..
Sho_Nuff82 said:Shanadeus - please don't take this the wrong way - I can't tell if you're just a misanthrope by nature, a very clever troll, or just extremely naive
...You don't listen to BET. It's a television network.Shanadeus said:That is possible, I've throughout this thread meant it being an overcrowded urban area in which rap culture is at large and where a large significance of the population listen to BET.
Absolutely, in fact pretty much any arrest or case is public record in every state. State/county websites contain all of this information. If you've ever been arrested, its documented and your coworkers have probably already read about you.Sir Fragula said:Getting away from the usual pathetic GAF bloodlust... Is it really acceptable to post the names of rape suspects prior to their conviction in a court of law?
Used-ID said:Most you you here are lucky. I live near Houston and get to watch this play out on every news broadcast.
So far the 'best' bit was one of the mother's on TV saying how the victim always acted like she was older and tricked the 20+ guys into having sex with her in that abandoned trailer home. It will be interesting as they always report that multiple cellphone videos were taken during everything.
I haven't seen anything on here (yet) of another news story here in Houston where a single 22yr old woman ran a 24/7 daycare out of her house without any employees. She left the stove on and went to the store while her house was filled with kids (20 months - a few years old) and 4 kids died from the fire. The lady then fled to Africa.
Houston. Texas. What a great place to live :-/
I laughed harder than was warranted.Count Dookkake said:In Shanadeus's defense, did you ever notice that you can't spell 'rape' without 'rap'?
SmokyDave said:I think you're looking at this in far too simplistic a manner. It's not as if someone is going to listen to a track, flick the iPod off and then immediately go out and get their rape on. It's more the cumulative effect of hearing the same pervasive messages over and over again, propagated by people considered as role-models.
Would you consider things like 'advertising' and 'propaganda' to be utterly ineffective?
Do you think it is possible that people can have their views shaped by the people around them and people they consider as 'role-models'?
I don't think we'll ever 'know' the effects of different media on different people for sure, but I think it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility out of hand. Marketing departments exist for a reason.
Rape Culture 101.Shapingo said:What is rape culture? Maybe I don't want to know?!?
Well, that answer deals with how things *are* (in America). It doesn't really touch on whether it's acceptable or right or not.alphaNoid said:Absolutely, in fact pretty much any arrest or case is public record in every state. State/county websites contain all of this information. If you've ever been arrested, its documented and your coworkers have probably already read about you.
Public record.
geebee said:Fuck the family members that defend the suspects and try to make excuses. Just hang your heads in shame away from the media and regret the decision you originally made to reproduce because you obviously didn't know how to raise the animals.
Sir Fragula said:Well, that answer deals with how things *are* (in America). It doesn't really touch on whether it's acceptable or right or not.
With rape especially, there are far too many instances of wrongful arrest where innocent people have their lives destroyed because the shadow of suspicion forever hangs over them... that I think their names should be kept secret until they've been convicted at the very least.
Shanadeus said:Rape culture, which spread is aided by rappers such as the one you just brought up.
F@mous said:Lol how? What rap song talks about raping people?
Lionheart1337 said:As a rap fan, plenty. Does that mean it causes rape? absolutely not and it is foolish to think so. That's like saying action movies where people get killed inspire murder irl.
Devolution said:It reinforces the attitudes that make men/boys think that consent is some joke and that women are nothing but fuckholes.
Lionheart1337 said:And without data to support that, you are cherry picking.
F@mous said:Lol how? What rap song talks about raping people?
F@mous said:Lol how? What rap song talks about raping people?
Sir Fragula said:Well, that answer deals with how things *are* (in America). It doesn't really touch on whether it's acceptable or right or not.
With rape especially, there are far too many instances of wrongful arrest where innocent people have their lives destroyed because the shadow of suspicion forever hangs over them... that I think their names should be kept secret until they've been convicted at the very least.
msnbc said:"Rape is an expression of male sexual entitlement," said Rachel Jewkes, chief researcher for the survey conducted by the government-funded Medical Research Foundation. "South Africa is an immensely patriarchal society. The history of the country has shaped the dominant forms of South Africa's racially defined masculinities."
msnbc said:For Rebombo, rape was a means to prove his manhood.
As a teen, he said he was cruelly taunted because he was not circumcised. Circumcision is considered a rite of passage in some tribes but his father had almost died as a result of the unsanitary and brutal procedure, and swore his son would not be abused that way.
So Rebombo was subjected to daily, constant jeering.
"I was viewed as not man enough," said the large, soft-spoken man.
Peer pressure involving girls
Other boys pressured Rebombo to "teach a lesson" to one teenage girl who did not want to go out with them. He resisted at first, fearful of his religious parents and their good standing in the community. Then he relented.
On that Saturday, Rebombo was plied with beer and marijuana to overcome his nerves. "I had difficulty breathing," he said. "I had never had sex before. I was terrified."
The girl was brought to a field and Rebombo and another boy were left with her, he said.
The other boy "started raping her. She fought him. I was just there, dizzy with all the stuff. He just stood up and said: 'Your turn.' I was there on top of her," he said.
Afterward, "she just ran home."