This gen is the worst ever and i've been in gaming since year 1998

ADiTAR said:
It seems to me like BG3 hype came from people who didn't play BG1/2. It's almost the exact game, a bit evolved, with less party members, and less real connection to the characters (Jaheira, Minsc&boo, Imoen).

It's a great game, but it didn't really do anything new.
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Production value is a pretty big deal for a lot of people. Even compared to divinity 2 it was an insane leap for a crpg. I also loved the combat and found it a nice evolution from divinity 2( even tho some didn't)
And it's not like we get a game similar to bg2 often.. I would have been happy with gta v if it was just a much higher production value, bit evolved San Andreas for example.
 
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Yeah. Consoles generations became irrelevant after the PS3 for me. If you game exclusively on PC then it's nothing but happy times, OP.
 
No way, last generation was by far the worst generation. All of the downsides of long development cycles, garbage hardware because the platform holders were all convinced console gaming was dying so we got AMDs spare parts. And, at least for me, the games getting released this generation have been far superior to last gen titles.
 
It's my least favourite gen for PS/Xbox generation, so far at least, but the Switch is my #2 top system of all time behind the SNES so I can't complain too much.
 
I think every gen shows a steep decline of things one way or another. Gaming used to be a very niche hobby giving developpers more leeway for creative risks.

The vast majority today is fine-tuned to appeal and be easily accesible to the widest audience possible. Generic and soulless slop.

Look at Neogaf, it's a "gaming ethusiast forum" and yet we had people be in complete awe over stuff like AC: Shadows.

It's so obvious that the tides have shifted. There is nothing inheretly wrong about it but it couldn't be a worse time for those who were there relatively early and simply wanted to see the medium evolve.

That's not to say bangers don't come out anymore but they're fewer and further between.
 
Dutchy said:
I think every gen shows a steep decline of things one way or another. Gaming used to be a very niche hobby giving developpers more leeway for creative risks.

The vast majority today is fine-tuned to appeal and be easily accesible to the widest audience possible. Generic and soulless slop.

Look at Neogaf, it's a "gaming ethusiast forum" and yet we had people be in complete awe over stuff like AC: Shadows.

It's so obvious that the tides have shifted. There is nothing inheretly wrong about it but it couldn't be a worse time for those who were there relatively early and simply wanted to see the medium evolve.

That's not to say bangers don't come out anymore but they're fewer and further between.
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It's the same with the movie industry.

The smaller companies are carrying in terms of quality. Not the massive corporations.
 
Dutchy said:
I think every gen shows a steep decline of things one way or another. Gaming used to be a very niche hobby giving developpers more leeway for creative risks.

The vast majority today is fine-tuned to appeal and be easily accesible to the widest audience possible. Generic and soulless slop.

Look at Neogaf, it's a "gaming ethusiast forum" and yet we had people be in complete awe over stuff like AC: Shadows.

It's so obvious that the tides have shifted. There is nothing inheretly wrong about it but it couldn't be a worse time for those who were there relatively early and simply wanted to see the medium evolve.

That's not to say bangers don't come out anymore but they're fewer and further between.
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You're stuck in a cycle/loop that you can easily break out of whenever you're ready to.

Like the movie industry, people can't keep asking for innovation and new ideas and ignore everything aside from the biggest brands.

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It's the same with the movie industry.

The smaller companies are carrying in terms of quality. Not the massive corporations.
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Exactly. And to add onto that, even the big guys of today started small years ago. It feels like the biggest shift I've been seeing in today's age of gaming is that people online aren't giving most of the modern day smaller guys a decent chance to grow.

I say 'most' because there are rare moments you'll get your breakout hit where a random dev wins the lottery with a game that looks like an early Dreamcast game but is insanely fun to play.
 
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Exactly. And to add onto that, even the big guys of today started small years ago. It feels like the biggest shift I've been seeing in today's age of gaming is that people online aren't giving most of the modern day smaller guys a decent chance to grow.

I say 'most' because there are rare moments you'll get your breakout hit where a random dev wins the lottery with a game that looks like an early Dreamcast game but is insanely fun to play.
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It's because, just like with movies, people have become such fanboys of the big IP. And they can't stop buying it even if they think it's shit lol.

Some people will only go to the movies for marvel, some people will only play CoD, gta, etc

But to be fair, I feel like the indie industry is doing better than ever in gaming. And with the success of games like expedition 33, and the unsustainability of AAA.. Maybe just maybe AA will comeback and carve a bigger niche.
 
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D Dutchy there's so many of them on steam that you can't say 'fewer and further between' unless you're talking only about a specific set of games, like AAA titles. You can try and paint your previous post as if you weren't describing AAA games (because we both know how that post came across) but your statement would still be inaccurate if you actually did involve indie and AA games in that post.
 
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D Dutchy there's so many of them on steam that you can't say 'fewer and further between' unless you're talking only about a specific set of games, like AAA titles. You can try and paint your previous post as if you weren't describing AAA games (because we both know how that post came across) but your statement would still be inaccurate if you actually did involve indie and AA games in that post.
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You ever heard of the expression mile wide inch deep?

I love indie's and play them more than AAA titles. So your entire assumption falls apart already. Steam having hundreds of thousands of wannabe 'indie' bloatware titles proves my point exactly.
 
Dutchy said:
You ever heard of the expression mile wide inch deep?

I love indie's and play them more than AAA titles. So your entire assumption falls apart already. Steam having hundreds of thousands of wannabe 'indie' bloatware titles proves my point exactly.
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You make it seem as if there is only 10 good to 100,000 bad. You do realize that there are also thousands of good games, most of them in a multitude of play hours, right? You know how long that would take to complete in one's lifetime?

Every artistic industry is bloated with content. The good news is that these mediums have existed for years. To bring this back to movies again, At this point in film, it would be infinitely smarter to find a curation service/recommendation service to find the very large amount of good content, rather than focusing on the even larger amount of content that you don't even want to play in the first place.

If there are 100,000 good movies and 10,000,000 mediocre-to-bad movies, the 100,000 movies will still last you 22 years worth in terms of hours watched. By the time you even manage to catch up with all of them, there will be 100,000 more.

Since our conversation has devolved into you trying to 'win' I will simply give it to you. You won the argument. I concede.

Now, to go back to my original reply to you, I truly hope that you and others here, personally, find more games to enjoy for the rest of your lives, rather than find games to prove a forum point about your perception of the state of the industry being 'poor'. Shovelware, slop, and I.P. cash grabs have existed since the Atari, NES, SNES, Wii, etc. and I have avoided them since then and will continue to avoid them in the future. I never once thought 'The entire industry is in a decline' when the Wii was 95% shovelware titles and the Xbox 360 shifted to Kinect in it's second half. I simply moved on to the next thing I wanted to enjoy. That's how movies and books work too.

As a consumer I still haven't felt an any actual decline yet, and I don't think I ever could, since by the time I manage to catch up on my backlog, more good content will be out for me to enjoy. Hell, even in this small interrim where GAF is claiming western AAA gaming is in a slump, those same posters are saying that the east has stepped up to the plate to fill that void, and this is still on top of so many good indie and AA games releasing back to back every month.

It's a hamster wheel of constant good content and so many here are on the wrong wheel.
 
March Climber said:
You make it seem as if there is only 10 good to 100,000 bad. You do realize that there are also thousands of good games, most of them in a multitude of play hours, right? You know how long that would take to complete in one's lifetime?

Every artistic industry is bloated with content. The good news is that these mediums have existed for years. To bring this back to movies again, At this point in film, it would be infinitely smarter to find a curation service/recommendation service to find the very large amount of good content, rather than focusing on the even larger amount of content that you don't even want to play in the first place.

If there are 100,000 good movies and 10,000,000 mediocre-to-bad movies, the 100,000 movies will still last you 22 years worth in terms of hours watched. By the time you even manage to catch up with all of them, there will be 100,000 more.

Since our conversation has devolved into you trying to 'win' I will simply give it to you. You won the argument. I concede.

Now, to go back to my original reply to you, I truly hope that you and others here, personally, find more games to enjoy for the rest of your lives, rather than find games to prove a forum point about your perception of the state of the industry being 'poor'. Shovelware, slop, and I.P. cash grabs have existed since the Atari, NES, SNES, Wii, etc. and I have avoided them since then and will continue to avoid them in the future. I never once thought 'The entire industry is in a decline' when the Wii was 95% shovelware titles and the Xbox 360 shifted to Kinect in it's second half. I simply moved on to the next thing I wanted to enjoy. That's how movies and books work too.

As a consumer I still haven't felt an any actual decline yet, and I don't think I ever could, since by the time I manage to catch up on my backlog, more good content will be out for me to enjoy. Hell, even in this small interrim where GAF is claiming western AAA gaming is in a slump, those same posters are saying that the east has stepped up to the plate to fill that void, and this is still on top of so many good indie and AA games releasing back to back every month.

It's a hamster wheel of constant good content and so many here are on the wrong wheel.
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brother what in the actual fuck are you on about lmaoooo

get help
 
Dutchy said:
brother what in the actual fuck are you on about lmaoooo

get help
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It's sad that I expected a reply like this. Oh well.
 
DreamcastSkies said:
I'm just barely getting around to buying a Series X (and this will be delayed because Switch 2 takes priority for me) and the price has been raised and there is talk of the next Xbox and PS6 in 1-2 years. I wish the post PS3/360 gens lasted longer. Those systems take longer to get rolling and it's taking longer to see generational differences (if they're ever even seen).
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I think this is the worst it has ever been for gamers. Instead of getting price cuts, we get a price hike of $100 4 years later, its mad. Switch 2 accessories also went up in price since reveal and its not even out yet. Fear not, SONY will also raise their prices, they already did for the disc version. IMO you should just get a used XsX, theres no point paying $100 more so many years later especially when we know a new one will be out in 2 years time.
 
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Hawk The Slayer said:
Been gaming in the late 90s too but I'll say this gen is better than the last gen at least cause there's more and more good games coming.

RE Village
RE4 Remake
Whatever new RE games are coming
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Stellar Blade
FFVII Rebrith
Space Marine 2
Wukong
FFVII Remake Part 3
GTA VI
Oblivion Remaster
Tides of A
Mario Kart World
Metroid Prime 4
etc etc etc

It's because of the Tabletop like feature where you get a lot of choices with tons of content. But yeah I personally didn't like it, don't like the style and don't like the characters or their personalities. It's not even top 5 for me in 2023. Even as a CRPG I find Rogue Trader much more interesting and better despise the latter having a much lower budget.
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Too many remasters, remakes, and games that haven't come out yet in that list.
 
Loboxxx said:
How absurd it is to read these gamer talking about "next gen" games when that concept is only in their imagination.
We have thousands of games coming out every month with thousands of themes and people still can't get enough. There is nothing more boring than listening to the "gamer" who has grown up and lost his desire to play and blames it on the "generations" of consoles.
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Seriously, I've said it plenty that I've realized my taste have change and how apparent it was after God of War Ragnarok that currently AAA design what interest me. I've been clearing my backlog on Steam and enjoying retro stuff on things like my Analogue Pocket to the point that the big games that do interest me are a worthwhile break. People need to get a grip, seriously.
 
Klik said:
So much hype around Ryzen CPU,SSD etc and yet so little inovations,level design is same as old gen,graphics are basically like upgraded PS4,no destruction,no inovations in physics.Who knows if even UE5 will be playable on this gen. I think we might have to wait till PS6/Next Xbox to get true next gen games.
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I don't hesitate to quit whenever I feel the burnt out from playing games even when they suck, it's life, sometimes it's better to not spend when all what we've got is bad shit. The nice thing about videogames is no matter when you live the good shit will happen anyway.
 
If you are expecting more, then just shows how out of touch you sre from current state of gaming. theres still plenty cool games and tech out there, but theres so much more involved in development. First of all physics(like what kind are you talking about? Ragdolls or hitting random chains and they swing?) and destruction(like red faction tier? Or just shooting pots in some house level) is specific and not something every game needs or will work with. This is such a wide nontent statement.
 
Conflict NZ said:
No way, last generation was by far the worst generation. All of the downsides of long development cycles, garbage hardware because the platform holders were all convinced console gaming was dying so we got AMDs spare parts. And, at least for me, the games getting released this generation have been far superior to last gen titles.
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This gen PC has got first party console exclusives so it is pretty great
 
Yeah, it's been oretty underwhelming.

People will list whatever games they'll list, which is fine, but imo there just isn't all that many standout hits that aren't sequels, that are trying to be different, etc.
 
Yup, agreed. The bs marketting for "instant" loading or incredible ps5 SSD....the lame graphics, the same corridor leves, same boring ass open worlds, lame sports games, no innovation, nothing cool. Sucks
 
I think people look at past generations with rose tinted glasses. The number of notable games were way smaller back then. It's mainly people's nostalgia for their younger years playing a part.
 
Three said:
I think people look at past generations with rose tinted glasses. The number of notable games were way smaller back then. It's mainly people's nostalgia for their younger years playing a part.
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Well he is talking about 1998 and comparing that to now.
Let's look through those rose tinted glasses for a sec..
Parasite Eve
R4: Ridge Racer Type 4
Suikoden II
Resident Evil 2
Tomb Raider III
Street Fighter Alpha 3
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Metal Gear Solid
Half-Life

Yeah both you and the OP are wrong.
 
nemiroff said:
I had no problem understanding his points. Why so toxic.
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Guy is overly emotional on a point we both sorta agree on. + the whole retardation thing

does not make a good combo for discussion. hence the jibberish cause none of that was applicable to any of what I said. just making a world salad for the sake of winning an argument that didn't exist in the first place.

Not to mention the weird ass assumptions:

March Climber said:
You're stuck in a cycle/loop that you can easily break out of whenever you're ready to.
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LMAO it made me chuckle again. Guy mustered up the courage to type that when I literally dunked on the AAA market and talked highly of indie's.
 
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Agree with me or not but I consider the PS4 generation and PS5 generation to be connected. And PS5 really didn't fix anything up from the PS4 meaning that, for me, the PS4 gen sucked hard and PS5 is continuing that tradition.
 
I get you, it feels like 2014 era gaming never stopped (aside from Nintendo) and gaming has been worse ever since (but holy shit, 2014 was the bottom for me...)
 
I disagree. The quality of games this gen, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Clair Obscur, TotK, have been top notch.

Furthermore, the library in both quantity and quality has never been better.

To talk about "Ryzen" or some other shit in the OP instead of the actual games and their quality that came out speaks volumes about what the OP doesn't understand about gaming.

This is really triggering to me, because honestly hearing someone unironically saying that graphics matter and games do not can't possibly be true for anyone, can it? I am being trolled, correct? If I'm not, I don't know what is happening.
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nemiroff said:
I had no problem understanding his points.
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I sometimes fall into the mistake of attempting longform conversation on a forum. People tend to project a high level of emotion onto me when it happens.

I have to try and remember to keep things short and simplistic, 200 characters or less, sometimes with funny gifs and memes to help spice things up.
 
I am conflicted. As a Nintendo fanboy, this has been the best seven year period / generation ever for them. As someone whose won every PlayStation, this has been the worse seven year period for me in regards to the games they were releasing.
 
Zacfoldor said:
I disagree. The quality of games this gen, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Clair Obscur, TotK, have been top notch.
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When people say this generation is the worst they're not discrediting the games you mentioned.
Each generation has stand out IP's that stand toe to toe with the biggest releases of that generation from the biggest publishers and rival the big platform holder games.
With the exception of a very little few(like Eden Ring/BG3), the generation has been a lot of Dark Horses and a lot nothing or failures from the people you expect to carry the generation.
 
It's all about perspective.
I've been gaming since 1776 and the last decade is nothing more than a blip on the radar. Give it another decade or two and no one will remember this minor slow down. By 2100 this will be completely forgotten.
 
March Climber said:
I sometimes fall into the mistake of attempting longform conversation on a forum. People tend to project a high level of emotion onto me when it happens.

I have to try and remember to keep things short and simplistic, 200 characters or less, sometimes with funny gifs and memes to help spice things up.
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