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Tigers nearing extinction

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OrangeGrayBlue said:
There's roughly one tiger for every 200 million people on the planet. This is sad, yes, but the whole "disruption of the ecology" argument is silly. Tigers are too low in numbers to be keeping any other species in check. Whatever they were responsible for is either being handled by another species or is running rampant all ready. While I love tigers (they're my favorite animal) and would hate for them to go extinct, you're kidding yourself to pretend that anything drastic will happen if they go the way of the dodo. And if anyone decides to respond to this as if I'm some animal-hater who can't wait to see tigers go extinct then I hope one eats you. I'm simply stating that tigers are lovely and majestic, but almost entirely unnecessary. I really hope that these efforts are successful. I wrote a letter to the president when I was about ten years old about making efforts to preserve tigers, actually.
I think this is pretty much what all of us non "BOOOOO, fuck humans! T_T" people feel.

Yes, they are majestic and powerful and one of my "top 10" animals . . . but once they are gone they will be replaced just as we will one day be replaced by some new animal (my money is on evolved birds from the Crow and Raven fams).

Thats just the way it is . . . and I don't see any of the people bitching about others not being sad enough actually doing anything about it.

Darklord said:
We are the most advanced, intelligent creatures on the planet. We should be protecting and helping other animals, not killing them off one by one.
And who the hell made that rule?

If I had to GUESS I would say our "job" is to procreate and keep doing w/e we're doing. Maybe then we could safely spread to another planet or moon and leave life here more "free" from having us as top dogs so that some kick ass crows can evolve to our level.
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
Darklord said:
We are the most advanced, intelligent creatures on the planet. We should be protecting and helping other animals, not killing them off one by one.

Of course. No one should deliberately aim for the extinction of a species. And I don't think anyone does. Especially creatures this beautiful. But like cattle, predators need to be controlled too, perhaps even more so.

If despite everything, these animals haven't had a chance to adapt to their new environment and threats, then life will find a way.

Plus, I don't think tigers would give a fuck about us if were were in their position. Oh wait, we were in their position tens of thousands of year ago, tigers/predators in general didn't give a fuck about us. Now, we are the ones that don't give a fuck /joke

I really think that people need to understand how vicious some of these animals can be. Sure, they're part of the ecosystem, but sympathy should have no play in any of this. Unless you raised a certain tiger and have developed a loving relationship with it. Most of these wild animals are just that, wild and won't hesitate to kill you if they get the chance.

Yes it's wrong that they're on the verge of existence. But they're still killers, as said before, life will replace them with better killers.

I suppose we capture some and breed them and make sure they don't exceed a certain number. Leave the rest to their fate.
 

Feep

Banned
Veidt said:
Of course. No one should deliberately aim for the extinction of a species. And I don't think anyone does. Especially creatures this beautiful. But like cattle, predators need to be controlled too, perhaps even more so.

If despite everything, these animals haven't had a chance to adapt to their new environment and threats, then life will find a way.

Plus, I don't think tigers would give a fuck about us if were were in their position. Oh wait, we were in their position tens of thousands of year ago, tigers/predators in general didn't give a fuck about us. Now, we are the ones that don't give a fuck /joke

I really think that people need to understand how vicious some of these animals can be. Sure, they're part of the ecosystem, but sympathy should have no play in any of this. Unless you raised a certain tiger and have developed a loving relationship with it. Most of these wild animals are just that, wild and won't hesitate to kill you if they get the chance.

Yes it's wrong that they're on the verge of existence. But they're still killers, as said before, life will replace them with better killers.

I suppose we capture some and breed them and make sure they don't exceed a certain number. Leave the rest to their fate.
Tigers show us no antipathy. They aren't a gang, they're just animals surviving. You seem to hold a grudge against mother nature. Tigers aren't "out to get us".

Sympathy should play no role? Well, screw starving people, they wouldn't help US. We're humans, and we should take an active role in preserving species and nature because we know better. Just because tigers don't have higher cognitive abilities doesn't mean *we* have to be assholes about it.
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
Sympathy should play no role? Well, screw starving people, they wouldn't help US. We're humans, and we should take an active role in preserving species and nature because we know better. Just because tigers don't have higher cognitive abilities doesn't mean *we* have to be assholes about it.
But that's just it though.
It's our skills of forming communities and sticking together that got us this far. We as humans are interdependent, we need people of all our races/ethnicities in order to survive as a whole (immunity to diseases etc.). That's how we won and the Neanderthals lost.

If tigers are too underdeveloped to survive, than nature will terminate this experiment, and make a new species that will do just that. Perhaps even more exotic!
 

Dina

Member
Poachers are bad, but think about your IKEA desk that's housing your computer. That came from the Tiger homeland.
 
Veidt said:
Of course. No one should deliberately aim for the extinction of a species. And I don't think anyone does. Especially creatures this beautiful. But like cattle, predators need to be controlled too, perhaps even more so.

If despite everything, these animals haven't had a chance to adapt to their new environment and threats, then life will find a way.

Plus, I don't think tigers would give a fuck about us if were were in their position. Oh wait, we were in their position tens of thousands of year ago, tigers/predators in general didn't give a fuck about us. Now, we are the ones that don't give a fuck /joke

I really think that people need to understand how vicious some of these animals can be. Sure, they're part of the ecosystem, but sympathy should have no play in any of this. Unless you raised a certain tiger and have developed a loving relationship with it. Most of these wild animals are just that, wild and won't hesitate to kill you if they get the chance.

Yes it's wrong that they're on the verge of existence. But they're still killers, as said before, life will replace them with better killers.

I suppose we capture some and breed them and make sure they don't exceed a certain number. Leave the rest to their fate.


boy every new page that I read , another dumb bastard enters the thread. Tigers are dying off because we have destroyed their habitat, nothing normal or natural about that. it had nothing to do with nature.
for 99% of species it's not normal to kill for fun. and what does them being vicious or whatever non-sense it was that you typed have to do with their survival? did a Tiger kill your family when you were a kid? really, what does that have to do with the argument at hand?
can you explain that? some of us just want to see these animals live their lives how they live them in a balanced ecosystem as it was meant to be and you come in all your pseudo wisdom wanna be detached scientist bullshit and proclaim "well, they is mean, it's good that they are dying off, nature will find a way" god, how narrow minded are you?
 

Darklord

Banned
Veidt said:
If tigers are too underdeveloped to survive, than nature will terminate this experiment, and make a new species that will do just that. Perhaps even more exotic!

This has nothing to do with the natural order of things. Hunting and killing mass amounts of animals and destroying there habitats is OUR fault and has nothing to do with nature. Sharks are millions of years old, are the perfect underwater predator. We're slowing making them extinct. It doesn't matter what nature does, we end up killing them.
 
well i'm sorry too. but having worked on these things for many years it is my passion. in a normal system an Apex predator takes it's fair share and vice cersa. by us being around AND NOT BEING CAREFUL OF THE ECOLOGICAL BALANCE (this is key) animals that didn't have to go extinct do so.
 

madara

Member
Profound failure on our parts. I cant imagine how bad its going to get when we hit 10-14 billion and yes sci fi nerds we will not be colonizing another planet by then yet either and maybe we shouldn't be until we learn how do it right.
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
evil solrac v3.0 said:
well i'm sorry too. but having worked on these things for many years it is my passion. in a normal system an Apex predator takes it's fair share and vice cersa. by us being around AND NOT BEING CAREFUL OF THE ECOLOGICAL BALANCE (this is key) animals that didn't have to go extinct do so.
Ah, you have experience with all of this. That explains it.

Just hope you didn't see it as me not caring about anything. As I sad before, it's pretty sad that this is happening. I just thought that unless some of us here, were actually doing something about it or have experience with tigers, our temporary sympathy wouldn't amount to anything. And that we really weren't in a position to criticize the people who hunt them for various reasons.
 

Dina

Member
I NEED SCISSORS said:

Malaysia. Thing is, most people here think it's a shame but don't do anything about it. Hardwood jungles being cut down is as much a threat to tigers as chinese medicine is. Yet, blaming poachers is somehow easier then furniture manufacturers.
 

Amalthea

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Veidt said:
I really think that people need to understand how vicious some of these animals can be. Sure, they're part of the ecosystem, but sympathy should have no play in any of this. Unless you raised a certain tiger and have developed a loving relationship with it. Most of these wild animals are just that, wild and won't hesitate to kill you if they get the chance.

And so we are the only species to have the right to kill any other lifeform on earth.
 

DonMigs85

Member
So once rhinos, sharks and tigers go extinct what will the Chinese use for their medicine, soup, etc? Not a very sustainable business at all.
 
The blame should go to the society that demands materials that leads to massive pointless slaughter of animals. The future is going to be fucked when the world population keeps on growing.
 
Souldriver said:
Lol, what's that supposed to mean. It's not as if this is logical part of nature and evolution.
Isn't it? A biological force has swept the planet, changing survival conditions.
OrangeGrayBlue said:
There's roughly one tiger for every 200 million people on the planet.
A BIT off--that would mean the number of tigers is in the low 30s. Still, your point stands: whatever role they used to have is already 99% gone.
 

Lesath

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DonMigs85 said:
So once rhinos, sharks and tigers go extinct what will the Chinese use for their medicine, soup, etc? Not a very sustainable business at all.

It's a rich people thing. You think the average dude in China has enough money for tiger dick soup? Nevertheless, I hate how the superstitious nonsense driving most of Chinese traditional medicine continues to thrive.

And it's very easy to blame the poachers, but habitat loss is the primary force behind the drop in population. Tigers are big predators, and as such, establish big territories. Even if the tigers were not being poached, continual habitat destruction and fragmentation would have eventually driven species into a corner anyway.
 

Igo

Member
Lesath said:
Why should humans waste the time and energy focusing on getting off this rock when it's the most interesting thing within lightyears?

Where's the fun in that?

Earth 2.0 is out there somewhere waiting for us to fuck it up. It make take a few millennia or more until we even have the means to attempt the journey but that's what we should be aiming for. I doubt we survive that long though.

RustyNails said:
And aliens will be fully justified to colonize us and harvest our bodies.

We can only hope to be so lucky.
 

DonMigs85

Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
Isn't it? A biological force has swept the planet, changing survival conditions.

A BIT off--that would mean the number of tigers is in the low 30s. Still, your point stands: whatever role they used to have is already 99% gone.
In certain areas the deer and wild bovine populations have exploded - tigers really were helping to keep their numbers in check. They seem to be much more effective hunters than lions, almost rivaling leopards (the most numerous of all big cats).
 

MYE

Member
Anyone who thinks that things that cant be used as food, clothes or entertainment are not worth the trouble can jump off a fucking cliff and die a horrible death.


And anyone who greets news like this with indifference is a piece of shit parasite.
 

Lesath

Member
Igo said:
Where's the fun in that?

Earth 2.0 is out there somewhere waiting for us to fuck it up. It make take a few millennia or more until we even have the means to attempt the journey but that's what we should be aiming for. I doubt we survive that long though.

Or maybe we should aim for, I don't know, NOT fucking up this hunk of rock we're stuck on for the next few millennia? I think not living in a shithole is plenty fun.
 
DonMigs85 said:

what? predator animals can and sometimes will kill you. a human being ie YOU is worth nothing to nature.

zoukka said:
Not doing anything about this is indifference.

not really. there are a trillion different problems in the world, one person can't be expected to actually do something about every problem...

and unless you're a lucky priviliged rich person, you probably have plenty of personal problems to deal with and not enough time or money to deal with them... tigers somewhere on the other side of the planet won't ever even cross your mind, and that's normal and OK. doesn't make a person immoral.
 

Nameless

Member
Tigers were always my favorite animal growing up. If only nature hadn't sculpted them to be so god damn gorgeous to our eyes.
 

Mael

Member
Wait a minute, are there really people that think that we're outside nature?
I mean didn't the outdated view disappear a long time ago?
It's not like the disappearance of tigers is a good thing or should be desired, but seriously let's not act like everything manmade is some evil act against Mother Nature and everything would be sugar & rainbow without us.
Sad day for Tigers' lovers though.
 

Kaako

Felium Defensor
Fuck. :(
Born in the year of the tiger and tigers are my favorite animals too. Sad times we're living in. Hope we really put our efforts together and really prevent the extinction of tigers in the wild. They are magnificent animals.
 

zoukka

Member
astroturfing said:
not really. there are a trillion different problems in the world, one person can't be expected to actually do something about every problem...

Yeah we do what we can for problems that interest us enough. Everyone has somekind of reaction to these news. But a reaction alone doesn't do anything. Maybe there's a fund raising where you can dumb 5 dollars or something. Go search for it, I'm not interested enough.
 
Good god above there are some dumb mother fuckers in this thread. Kinda pisses me off.

I used to donate to Greenpeace for their tiger stuff but I lost my job and never renewed it, I did look into going to one of the Indian tiger reserves aswell to be a volunteer.

Maybe if im a lucky bastard ill see one in the wild when I go next year but I don't hold out much hope :(

So when are we going to fuck up the hippos?
"Hippos take more lives in Africa each year than all the crocs, lions, leopards, and other predators combined. However this is because they are defending their territory not because they want to kill and eat you."
 

DonMigs85

Member
They say that if you come across a wild lion or tiger you should actually make a lot of noise and stand your ground or even "charge" at it a bit, rather than run away. That won't work on a buffalo or hippo though.
 

Speevy

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DonMigs85 said:
They say that if you come across a wild lion or tiger you should actually make a lot of noise and stand your ground or even "charge" at it a bit, rather than run away. That won't work on a buffalo or hippo though.


You do that. Let me know how it works out.
 

Tieno

Member
I hate to live in a world where there aren't any tigers. Beautiful creatures.
Little-tigers.jpg


It'd also mean no ligers
liger.jpg
 
Sigh....more fake outrage. To all of the people calling for the death of poachers and saying fuck humanity, have you ever done anything to help tigers? Are you going to do something to help them now?

So many arm chair militants on the Internet nowadays.
 

Azuran

Banned
bdizzle said:
Sigh....more fake outrage. To all of the people calling for the death of poachers and saying fuck humanity, have you ever done anything to help tigers? Are you going to do something to help them now?

So many arm chair militants on the Internet nowadays.

I do.

Fuck poachers and everyone who supports their shit.
 
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