In contrast though, at least I can still look back fondly on Kenshin.
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Tite Kubo's Bleach Manga Nears Ending
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In contrast though, at least I can still look back fondly on Kenshin.
It's just a slight bit frustrating that one of the best prog rock songs of the '70s is now simply known to geeks as "the to be continued music".
It's called "Roundabout", boys.
It's almost as if Bleach is two different manga series.
There's Bleach, and then there's Bleach Z.
MrSaturn99
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At this point, I fully expect this ending to surpass Reborn's as the worst ending in Weekly Shonen Jump history.
Hell, it probably already has.
Edit: As for my favorite of Kubo's Engrish:
Hell, it probably already has.
Edit: As for my favorite of Kubo's Engrish:
Nocturnowl
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>What are the two kids who live with Urahara?
this is one of the mysteries that bugs me the most. Like I recall some part of the arrancar arc early on that may or may not have been anime filler where the rosy cheeked girl takes off like a robotic rocket when sensing some chump arrancar in the vicinity, just what is she?! Kubo could create another arc with 20 new characters of her kind to solve this mystery.
Wasn't there supposed to be more of Reborn though? I could've sworn the ending wasn't supposed to be the actual ending of the series.At this point, I fully expect this ending to surpass Reborn's as the worst ending in Weekly Shonen Jump history.
Hell, it probably already has.
Edit: As for my favorite of Kubo's Engrish:
ShockingAlberto
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Kubo once said that, when he gets bored, he starts designing characters and then wants to work them into his story.
I feel like he kept doing this and it ballooned the cast and some became really popular so his editors were fine with it. But it created situations where none of the main cast was particularly involved with this arc. Or how characters from the beginning were just completely dismissed.
I feel like he kept doing this and it ballooned the cast and some became really popular so his editors were fine with it. But it created situations where none of the main cast was particularly involved with this arc. Or how characters from the beginning were just completely dismissed.
MrSaturn99
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That was canon. And nope, we never found out!
There's been rumors for years but nothing definite as far as I know.
The only thing that Rurouni Kenshin has in common with Bleach is that its final arc a) couldn't hold a candle to the second arc, and b) will never be animated.
A shonen manga artist that can create more than one successful series doesn't come along very often these days.
Someone should have bought him a cat.
Probably how we got Yuroichi.
SigmasonicX
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Since people keep mentioning Reborn's manga ending, for those unfamiliar, it had an alright final battle, nothing too amazing, but not horrible. On its own, people probably would have still said the anime ended at a better point, but it wouldn't be too far off.
But then for some reason, the last chapter was devoted to completely shitting on the main character, and explaining that despite everything that happened and the growth we saw during the action arcs, he hasn't actually changed at all since the first chapter. Despite all the trials he went through, being accepted by all the previous Vongola bosses, and knowing that his future self leads the Vongola Family, he still refuses to accept his role. Everyone still walks all over him in his own house. The first chapter involved him being unable to tell the love interest about his crush on her. The last chapter showed that not only is he still unable to tell her, but he can't even turn down the other girl that has a crush on him but he doesn't have romantic interest in.
But then for some reason, the last chapter was devoted to completely shitting on the main character, and explaining that despite everything that happened and the growth we saw during the action arcs, he hasn't actually changed at all since the first chapter. Despite all the trials he went through, being accepted by all the previous Vongola bosses, and knowing that his future self leads the Vongola Family, he still refuses to accept his role. Everyone still walks all over him in his own house. The first chapter involved him being unable to tell the love interest about his crush on her. The last chapter showed that not only is he still unable to tell her, but he can't even turn down the other girl that has a crush on him but he doesn't have romantic interest in.
SigmasonicX
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You mean Soi Fon's vice-captain's sister? Yeah, I have no idea what Kubo was thinking getting her involved in the story. Or Yoruichi's brother, for that matter.
While Watsuki hasn't been able to create a series as successful as Kenshin, he has pulled off two decently sized series since then. Just feels small to have moderate successes like Buso Renkin and Embalming next to the behemoth that was Kenshin.
MrSaturn99
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but don't forget that's all okay because he has friends
Yoruichi's brother was there to serve as a plot device for 2 purposes: 1. Deliver the transformation device to Urahara and 2. Show just how deadly an opponent Askin was.
I'm trying to think of who got robbed the most in Bleach and here's my current list:
1. Tousen - One of the more interesting characters in the series, despite Kubo's efforts to reduce him to a jealous blind guy. We don't know the deal w/ his murdered friend whose katana he wields, we don't know why he's able to use somebody else's zanpakuto, we got no resolution to his story or his quest for justice at all... with all we know since his reveal as a "bad" guy, it sure seems plausible that he and Aizen were indeed onto something regarding justice.
EDIT: 1a. Unohana - Wtf was she doing allowing people to die when she could've killed half of the enemies that she came across in the series.
2. Komamura - Shitted on time and time again, physically as well as emotionally. At first it was comical but it quickly became kind of overkill. He got an out of left field badass powerup with some character exposition, but guess what happens? Yeah. RIP.
3. Chad - No explanation necessary.
4. Haschwald - Gonna blame this one on Jump giving Kubo his 2 wk notice or whatever. No final form? Lmao.
5. Halibel - the #4 and #2 espadas were some of the strongest characters in the entire series, so surely #3 would be a force to be reckoned with, right? Nope, of course not. Mouthwatering aesthetic, trash bin everything else about her.
6. All of the Royal Guard - I guess they never showed up before because they're not that good. Regular captains were able to take out the final forms of sternritter that they got exterminated by.
7. Gin - Not so much robbed as he died in vain and we (or at least I) have no actual understanding of where he stood on the good/evil scale. I mean, he murdered a captain in cold blood as a small child. We also don't know how strong he really was since he was a prodigy on the level of Toshiro but with much more of a sinister streak. And apparently he had 2 bankais.
8. Soi Fon - I feel like Kubo just doesn't believe that a woman should be strong in this series (Yoruichi would be the exception if she didn't always end up getting saved). She's got a shikai that --combined with her natural speed and/or shunko-- should be the second most broken behind Aizen-sama himself, she's got a bankai that's a tactical nuke yet I believe the last time we saw her fighting she was in a life or death struggle with some weird looking lieutenant level sternritter.
9. Vizards - See #3
10. Inoue - SMH, I mean she's been entirely useless. Aizen says her power is godlike, so Kubo basically writes her out of any meaningful role. She was supposed to have the ability to attack as well, and since she improved her healing to the point that it was rejecting reality, you would think she would've been able to improve her offense to the point of being formidable. But no. At least she had that valuable buff spell that started with a K and ended with "-kun."
Heck, I completely forgot about them. What happened to those two?
I forgot she even existed lol. I actually meant this kid.
Ryunosuke. And it wasn't his sister. Apparently she was just his partner. I'm not surprised nobody remembers them.
I was seriously pissed at that. The only time I liked that character and it was all for nothing.
SigmasonicX
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I forgot she even existed lol. I actually meant this kid.
Ryunosuke. And it wasn't his sister. Apparently she was just his partner. I'm not surprised nobody remembers them.
... I have no idea who that is.
ShockingAlberto
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Rangiku also got written out pretty hard.
Didn't Kubo say she was suppose to be important this arc?
He has a bad shikai.
Was it hinted that she had a bankai or was that my imagination?
Rumors
But its apperent, the thing stops in the middle of an arc
LIke no bullshit they are in the middle of a battle arc, there is a revelations... and then it ends.
They were in the middle of a story
That wasn't even a final battle, that battle was obviously leading into something else, there was a legit mysterman about to drop some revelations... and then nothing.
There is " this is disspointing " and then there's " This isn't done"
It's basically what ultimately made the entire story feel like an ensemble cast since Hueco Mondo.
There's simply too many characters and Ichigo doesn't get anywhere near enough screen time to really be called the main character.
Those kids remind me of the 4th division kid that helped Ichigo and the others when they rescued Rukia. What was his name?
ShockingAlberto
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I think when Kubo put her in a schoolgirl outfit and it didn't set merchandise on fire, he just finished with her. Come to think of it, this arc has not been great for female characters in general.
- Soul King's female knight is almost immediately killed when the villains arrive.
- Rukia freezes up versus her opponent and Byakuya has to literally come in to save her (I say literally because I first interpreted it as a dream of her moving past her brother's shadow and becoming a warrior and then it turned out to actually be him and not an internal metaphor). She has accomplished nothing since.
- Orihime just rends her garments the entire time for Ichigo and whose only non-Ichigo reaction to anything was a flustered face when she reveals the outfit Urahara made for her.
- Rangiku is punked by Buzz-B and then disappeared.
- All the female villains are scantily-clad nazis with one shitty trans joke.
- Nemu gets a huge bust size increase in her final appearance before she literally explodes and then gets implied to be regrown later.
- Yoruichi becomes a sex kitten - literally.
- Don't even fucking remember what happened to Soi Fong.
The only female character who came out of this arc alright was Ichigo's mom when she was young and she's fucking dead.
Neither does Kubo anymore.
The Silver
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What did Aizen do to Rangiku again?
Don't forget Unohana who had to die for let Kenpachi get a powerup.
Ganked her souls.
Don't forget the two Royal Guard females being worthless. At least Black rapper stereotype and Bald Monk got to do something.
The Silver
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well she is a soul, so he ganked her and........what?
He didn't gank her, nobody knows what he did and nobody will ever know. All we know is he made her sad and that made Gin angry.
yanipheonu
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Which was always a weird part of Bleach.
So if we kill the spirit people what happens to them?
Do they get born on earth?
Do they go to yet another afterlife?
Do simply disappear forever?
At least with Quincy they explain whatever they kill disappears forever, it's actually an important detail.
The cosmology was never very well thought out.
Edit: Just thought of a concept where General Yamamoto comes back as a younger version on earth with soul powers. I want this.
He was pinching off reiatsu I think from random poor people in soul society to power up his Hogyoku, so I was being literal there while making a Dark Souls joke. Maybe I should've added "at least she didn't go Hollow" since that's ALSO a problem with Aizen!
Frozenprince
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Don't forget Unohana's LT whats her face, the soul societies second best healer. Who spent the entire arc... crying in her room.
There's supposed to be a rotation of souls between hueco mundo, the real world and soul society. The soul king is supposed to be there to maintain a balance of souls (he's done a shitty job of this as well as not really making SS any sort of paradise).
Edit: I forgot Ukitake on my "robbed" list. I never really liked him as a character but did he even go bankai? It was implied that he was on the level of Shunsui but we never got to see him go all out. RIP coughing guy.
ShockingAlberto
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I want to point out that killing the Soul King was supposed to be this massive, apocalyptic event that would destabilize everything.
This is not mentioned when they kill Ywach. Like not even a "Uh, we probably need a new soul king now" line.
I still think it'll be Aizen.
MrSaturn99
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haha I always wondered about this
Gentleman Jack
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Jinchuu arc owns mang, and I know you don't think there's any possible way it compares to the dumpster fire that has been the last 5 years of Bleach chapters.
Slayer-33
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So much lost potential in this series overall. Insane amount.
This could have been the coolest anime series ever if pulled off right, the characters were there.
Frozenprince
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He was about too in Fake Karakura until Shunsui said "No, your Bankai is not meant to be seen".
Copout-y as hell.
ShockingAlberto
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And then it turned out he had the soul king's right hand.
And Pernida was the other hand.
Neither of these things mattered at all.
ArgyleReptile
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That was actually what Ukitake said to Shunsui. Which was even more of a cop out as it implied that Shunsui's Bankai could affect other people, but it turns out it really doesn't matter if he activates it in the presence of other people.
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