Todd Howard: Elder Scrolls 6 is still in a design phase

ArtemisClydeFrog said:
Thread full of cringe. Let the GOATs work.
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I get that AAA development times and costs are increasing but imagine reasonably trying explain to someone that it takes 15 years to make a sequel to Skyrim.
 
iHaunter said:
Design phase is still super early. Most likely won't come about til 2027. That was still a long time ago. Can't believe it's still in just design.

Better than rushing of course.
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It's longer than expected; but the thing is... so is Starfield.

It sucks, but that's most modern game dev really outside of the sweat houses producing games every year or 2 at EA/Ubisoft/Activision.

Bethesda has never been that kind of dev, and as everything they've worked on has been pushed back, they've repeatedly stated that TES 6 is not something people should expect info on for potentially years.

My point being I'm not sure what dev team anyone thought TES6 was getting when other big games are still in dev, came out recently and are GAAS, etc. The assumption has always been their Skyrim team has been doing Starfield.. not TES.
 
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Umbasaborne said:
How fucked up has game dev gotten that studios who used to be able to put out a game every two years now need 6-10? Fucking ridiculous. Something needs to change or we will get one game per franchise per generation soon
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That already happened with God Of War, Gran Turismo, Days Gone and Detroit Become Human on PS4.
 
Rheon said:
So if it's still in the 'design phase' 3 years after teasing it at E3, then what phase was it at back then...?
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'We need to come up with 15 seconds teaser so people will STFU. Also, Microsoft would like to buy us and the top management wants a nice payout' phase.
 
CitizenZ said:
Well, in all honesty they have a successful MMO still providing cash and no reason to push forward basically what would be the same thing.
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GetemMa said:
LoL. So glad we got GAAS horse shit like TESO
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TESO is an entirely different studio. They even have their own new IP in works.
www.neogaf.com

Zenimax Online Studios is working on a new IP with a brand new engine

It was actually known for a while and has supposedly been a thing since 2018, but its great to see more official confirmation from the Lead Graphics Engineer.
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I'm still in kind of disbelief that we are going into July with confirmation that Starfield is a late 2022 game (if all goes right - and I'm not oblivious to the fact they showed zero gameplay suggesting a delay is certainly possible), and ES6 is only in the design phase years after being teased.

I think June 2021 will go down as the month where more astro turf got mowed than any prior time in gaming history.
 
NickFire said:
I'm still in kind of disbelief that we are going into July with confirmation that Starfield is a late 2022 game (if all goes right - and I'm not oblivious to the fact they showed zero gameplay suggesting a delay is certainly possible), and ES6 is only in the design phase years after being teased.

I think June 2021 will go down as the month where more astro turf got mowed than any prior time in gaming history.
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At least it's going to run on a great engine and release in a complete state with no bugs. In no way is it going to require modding to fix.
 
Todd Howard: Starfield / TES6
Nintendo: Metroid Prime 4
Sony: GoW Ragnarok
Larian: Baldur's Gate 3
RSI: Star Citizen
SqureEnix: Final Fantasy versus XIII (sorry XV)

All of them have the same problem. These assholes keep announcing things they have green lit only. Instead of showing what is about to launch with an actual price tag we have to make do with a title screen fade in. The result is people sit around for years, nay decades now waiting for shit to drop. We (the consuming public) never should have allowed them to get away with doing this shit. Every year it should have been the following question chain to these PR THOTS.

When is X going to launch? Why did you announce X so early if it was years away from store shelves?

They are held accountable to nothing. They sit up on a stage and announce that a project is in the works, so you should buy Y console to get ready for it. Straight BS PR stunts to boost sales of hardware, and we gobble this shit up like we're offered water in the Saraha.
 
I said this a few months ago, but these guys are a tiny 100 person studio alternating between Skyrim and Fallout last gen according to Todd Howard himself. I wouldnt be surprised if they are still under 200 people working on one IP at a time while they brainstorm ideas for ES6 during luncheons.

I was hoping MS would come in and set the straight, but I dont think thats going to happen any time soon. If I were Phil, I will create 3 internal teams at Bethesda, and have each work on Fallout, Elder Scrolls and Starfield concurrently. Make it like CoD. Three studios making a game every 3 year. This way MS can have a big RPG every year.

Bethesda is arguably the most talented WRPG developer out there. I highly doubt they only have Todd Howard who can be the director for all three franchises. Promote from within and make one of the leads director on Fallout and ES6 while Todd works on Starfield.

I also have no idea wtf Zenimax was thinking waiting 11 years before doing a sequel to Skyrim. Easily the best selling WRPG of all time. How do you not give Bethesda enough resources to make Fallout 5 and ES6 at the same time??
 
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Umbasaborne said:
How fucked up has game dev gotten that studios who used to be able to put out a game every two years now need 6-10? Fucking ridiculous. Something needs to change or we will get one game per franchise per generation soon
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The term lazy devs became bannable on era during the same time Jason Schrier was doing exposes on how wasteful some of these devs were with their resources. With Mass Effect Andromeda, EA gave that team 5 years to make a spinoff. They spent the first three years prototyping a procedurally generated universe which was scrapped altogether. During this time they had done no other work and had to scramble together and create Andromeda in the last 18 months. I dont care if its lazy devs or management but there is clearly something fucking wrong with the studio.

Amy Henning took over Visceral Games. A studio that pumped out three games back to back. 2 of them really well received. Dead Space 3 was meh but at least it came out in less than 3 years. She then spent the next three years prototyping a Star Wars game and literally didnt even a vertical slice to show EA execs who then killed her non-existent game. How the fuck do you spend three years and have nothing to show for it?

The main Bioware team took 7 years to release Anthem. But according to Jason, after working 4 years on prototyping, what they had was so bad an EA exec walked out all furious. So they got together and made that E3 2017 vertical slice in a few months without even knowing what the game was. Probably to save the company from being killed. The EA exec loved it and greenlit the game. But again, they had wasted 4 years on something that didnt even make it to the final game.

Halo Infinite devs apparently spent three years working on the slipstream engine. Like are you fucking kidding me? BoTW 2 is literally using the same map and looks identical to BoTW1 despite no longer being tied to the Wii U hardware. Not to mention the fact that its been 4 years already. So they will take 5 years to make a game on the same map with the same last gen visuals? Why? if Horizon gets delayed to 2022 then its a LAST gen SEQUEL that wouldve taken 5 years. Again, wtf. ND devs apparently had no work to do after shipping TLOU2. Why? Why did the management not have a new game lined up? They dont develop games, thats their only job to make sure people have work.

Meanwhile Kojima started a brand new studio from scratch, opened new offices, found a new engine, and made a brand new IP in 3 years.
 
R6Rider said:
This is incorrect.
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www.businessinsider.com

A surprisingly small team built the best game of 2015

"Fallout 4" took six years and just over 100 people to create.
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And that's why it's so incredible that a team of just over 100 people created it.

Howard described that process of developing two blockbuster games at once, with a crew of around 100 for both, as a careful balance:

We're always kind of designing one game while in production on one, and talking about one. Staggering our development somewhat. When we're really working on a game, it takes everybody's attention. We'll discuss the other one. We'll kick it around over lunch, and then we'll have concept artists or other people start on stuff. So "Fallout 4," we kind of picked away at things, and concepts, while we worked on "Skyrim," but we were very focused on "Skyrim." But once "Skyrim" was done, we'd had a couple "Fallout 4" things ready. And we knew what we wanted to do — what the big things would be in the game. And we just started attacking all of those things at once.
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RoboFu said:
let them take their time. It needs to be a big upgrade.
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FUCKING THIS.

The later this game launches in the generation, the better. I want them to take full advantage of next gen consoles and PC. I want a groundbreaking new RPG.

TAKE. YOUR. FUCKING. TIME

PS - Just make sure you iron out as many bugs as possible before release kthankxbye

ChoosableOne said:
I want EA to take over this company at this point:messenger_pouting: I can live with "dragon shout premium pack"s(3 rares inside).
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Fuck you. I don't want microtransactions anywhere near RPG's kthankxbye
 
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How stupid can you be to have a hit like Skyrim and not release a sequel for 15+ years? Who thought releasing shit like Fallout76 instead was a good idea?

MS really needs to hope Starfield is a generational game.
 
GAF is so fucking dumb. We knew in 2018 the order of BGS new releases, and that we were only told about Starfield and TES6 so people would stop asking and know that single player RPGs were coming. They said as much years ago.

This is not news. Nothing has changed.
 
And that, children, is why CGI trailers of any kind aren't worth shit.
If there is no gameplay you can show there probably is no game at all.
 
Just release it now. I'm sure it'll sell as much as cyberpunk. It shouldnt be any worse than the launch of fallout76.
 
That's sad. I'm guessing it will be 2026 or 2027 before we get the next installment. ES is one of the main reasons I would get an Xbox, but it seems irrelevant now.
 
Humdinger said:
That's sad. I'm guessing it will be 2026 or 2027 before we get the next installment. ES is one of the main reasons I would get an Xbox, but it seems irrelevant now.
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Same here. I just about got a xsx instead of a ps5 because of elders scrolls but now, 3-4 years? I'll just grab it for my computer or wait for a super cheap Xbox now. No problem
 
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