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Tom Clancy's The Division |OT2| The Wolves of Wall Street

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Deku Tree

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I don't understand?

They're not asking for a nerf to the M1A, they're asking for a buff to some other guns in the marksman class to better differentiate them whilst at the same time making more of them viable for specialist roles (BR/DMR/BASR).


If you read the whole thing they actually are asking for a NERF to the M1A. The poster says several times that they are not asking for a nerf, but then they do ask for a stability nerf of the M1A. They want the M1A to have less stability or more kick so it is harder to use.
 

fuzzyset

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Yeah I have a really good lvl 31 superior holster that I got from the DZ that has all three stats. I even re-rolled it until I got a mod slot too. It will be really hard to get a HE holster that compares to it, and really expensive to re-roll even if I do get one.

What are you guys re-rolling for? Just going for the standard DPS build? What are you hoping for? I have 4/5 yellows in armor, Vector, FW M1, and Cad but I feel like I'm not doing as much damage as I could be.
 

j-wood

Member
As awesome as that was, leaving a backpack in the street with a note probably isn't the best idea in today's world (especially with what happened to Berlin this morning) :(.
 
How are the division tech drop rates on the 32 dz bosses? I was hoping for 1 each boss.

I've been running the 32 DZ for the last hour or so and it may not have been 1 for each Boss but it certainly feels like it. I know I've gotten more in the last hour than the last few days at least.

Does anyone know if they've addressed the Special Gear Vendor not changing stock?
 

Deku Tree

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What are you guys re-rolling for? Just going for the standard DPS build? What are you hoping for? I have 4/5 yellows in armor, Vector, FW M1, and Cad but I feel like I'm not doing as much damage as I could be.

You have a maximum of seven mod slots that you can get on armor. Often mod slots are much more beneficial than whatever bonus you rolled that replaces the mod slot.

HE lvl 31 mods grant a maximum of 143 increased to a stat. 7 x 143 = 1001. So you can potentially increase your stats by 1001 with mod slots. That is HUGE.
 

VE3TRO

Formerly Gizmowned
Yeah I have a really good lvl 31 superior holster that I got from the DZ that has all three stats. I even re-rolled it until I got a mod slot too. It will be really hard to get a HE holster that compares to it, and really expensive to re-roll even if I do get one.

Sounds like the holster I have now with all three stats but I have smart cover duration. Just bugging me having a purple lol. I would prefer a mod slot since I have high-end mods not being used.

The stats are pretty damn good so I think it will be hard to improve.

Armor: 654
Firearms: 420
Stamina: 409
Electronics: 441
 

hear4beer

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If you read the whole thing they actually are asking for a NERF to the M1A. The poster says several times that they are not asking for a nerf, but then they do ask for a stability nerf of the M1A. They want the M1A to have less stability or more kick so it is harder to use.

To be fair, it's probably the best marksmen rifle at endgame currently. I've made about 5 police Mk17's and none of them come close to a M1A even without the crit and shoulder stability perks. It should be adjusted or come raid time or it's gonna be put on a pedestal like the Ghjallerhorn imo.
 
I've been running the 32 DZ for the last hour or so and it may not have been 1 for each Boss but it certainly feels like it. I know I've gotten more in the last hour than the last few days at least.

Does anyone know if they've addressed the Special Gear Vendor not changing stock?

NICE! I havent got a yellow drop in 60 hours. Excited for tonight.

Edit. i thought we were talking yellows, but this is a start.
 

Karu

Member
Next time I go into the DZ I just won't pick up any loot. That way I can't loose anything. Win/Win. Well... no, but .... *sigh*
 
Is the game down?

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/4bhbi3/patch_102_megathread/

People here saying it is along with this:

Edit for clarity, we don't know the full details but here is what I can gather:

First, the Bullet King farm (a named enemy who could continually respawn and drop Phoenix credits, superior gear and maybe high end gear) was not fixed, instead he came with a better loot table and a higher drop rate.

The changes to the DZ messed up, and there was no longer any penalty for dying. People could go rogue, get to Manhunt status, die and lose no XP or credits. It was chaotic and fun, and now growing to be named 'The Purge'
 

j-wood

Member
I have family in town so I haven't been able to try the new patch.

How is the new DZ stuff? Are there more people going rouge? Is the XP loss more reasonable?
 

VE3TRO

Formerly Gizmowned
Kinda wished now I spent my PXC on the high-end mod blueprints rather than weapons. Have to go Elite hunting later on.
 

spyder_ur

Member
During the beta I thought that Dark Zone was basically going to be impossible to balance, since you have to worry about PvP balancing and also the balance of what is ostensibly a default PvE zone.

I still feel that way, and I think it illustrates just how much the game could use a traditional PvP mode. It's a pretty huge missing feature.
 
All yellows apart from the holster. Hopefully I can get a good High-End one because the Superior one is really good.

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What is the shirt you are wearing on your guy?
 
NICE! I havent got a yellow drop in 60 hours. Excited for tonight.

Edit. i thought we were talking yellows, but this is a start.

For what it's worth, the 2nd boss we came across dropped a High End Performance mod for me. Almost 20 minutes after that I had the High End Para LMG drop.
 

Chucker

Member
Went to DZ, killed some 31's. Got overwhelmed, dude stole my stuff.
Fine, fair game.

Went back to get it back, no problem. Somebody came after me with pulse, over and over and over. Got backed into a corner with 5 seconds left on rogue, had to kill him. Fine, whatever.

It's just pulse after pulse after pulse in the DZ, and it's garbage. Eventually got gunned down after only retrieving my one item that was stolen with 3 seconds left.
 
Currently I am at 155k dps (with a Caduceus and M1A as my main weapons), 72k health and 21k skills.

I am also sitting on 1000 PC (thanks BK!) and I don't see any reason to spend it on anything for marginal improvements.

Hard dailies are a cake walk with my current setup and challenge mode isn't that difficult anymore either.

I feel like I've hit a wall and would rather hold onto my currency since the current content doesn't require me to really have a better setup.
 

Deku Tree

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I can do lexington CM in under 20 minutes with a strong group. But often I go into MM and it takes an hour or so to do it because MM. It is frustrating to know that you could do something 3-4 times in the time it took you to do it once because of MM.
 

BFIB

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While I am enjoying the PvE side of The Division (I am not a multiplayer gamer at heart) with other gamers, the DZ looks to be the exact reasons I don't do online gaming as a whole. It sounds broken as fuck.
 

commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
While I am enjoying the PvE side of The Division (I am not a multiplayer gamer at heart) with other gamers, the DZ looks to be the exact reasons I don't do online gaming as a whole. It sounds broken as fuck.

Broken in what way? It's pretty far from broken. If anything, it's geared too much towards PvE as it was actively discouraging PvP with the penalties.
 
Broken in what way? It's pretty far from broken. If anything, it's geared too much towards PvE as it was actively discouraging PvP with the penalties.

I am very much against not being able to explore at my leisure, so going into the DZ is not appealing to me.

I want to explore it just like the PvE area as I like the exploration aspect of the game and the many interiors and density to the open world.

But I don't need assholes ruining it for me and then being penalized. It doesn't appeal to me. Luckily I have more than a good setup (hard and challenging modes are now cakewalks) without every spending any time in the Dark Zone.

I went in there for about 20 minutes, got to rank 7 really fast, tried to extract and then was overwhelmed by enemies and rogues. No thanks.
 

commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
I am very much against not being able to explore at my leisure, so going into the DZ is not appealing to me.

I want to explore it just like the PvE area as I like the exploration aspect of the game and the many interiors and density to the open world.

But I don't need assholes ruining it for me and then being penalized. It doesn't appeal to me. Luckily I have more than a good setup (hard and challenging modes are now cakewalks) without every spending any time in the Dark Zone.

I went in there for about 20 minutes, got to rank 7 really fast, tried to extract and then was overwhelmed by enemies and rogues. No thanks.

I know what you mean, but it's really not that bad. I'm almost level 45 right now, and I've yet to be attacked by a rogue, other than those I've hunted down. I've had more people revive me than actually shoot at me. If you're on PS4, I'm happy to hop into the DZ with you. :)
 
Went to DZ, killed some 31's. Got overwhelmed, dude stole my stuff.
Fine, fair game.

Went back to get it back, no problem. Somebody came after me with pulse, over and over and over. Got backed into a corner with 5 seconds left on rogue, had to kill him. Fine, whatever.

It's just pulse after pulse after pulse in the DZ, and it's garbage. Eventually got gunned down after only retrieving my one item that was stolen with 3 seconds left.

Sounds like you need to equip Pulse with the Scrambler mod to protect yourself from hostile pulses.
 

Kadin

Member
I know what you mean, but it's really not that bad. I'm almost level 45 right now, and I've yet to be attacked by a rogue, other than those I've hunted down. I've had more people revive me than actually shoot at me. If you're on PS4, I'm happy to hop into the DZ with you. :)
I'm 17 and I've gotten jumped left and right prior to today. I've had very much the opposite experience from you and I'm on X1. I'm not gonna give in because I'd like to get to 50 but as it is so far, it's going very, very slowly and pretty frustrating.
 
Ugh, SMG's.
I really don't like using them, they just don't feel good to me.

Either way, I got 2 high-end drops from the Dark Zone last night. Nothing out of control, but it'll do.
 
Are weapon talents calculated in stats? (Dps and crit)

For example I am at 60% crit. I also have the talent 8% Crit chance when using vector.
Does that mean this talent does nothing as 60 is max crit, OR is that 8% calculated in the 60% crit and I only have 52% crit.
 

Cade

Member
Sounds like you need to equip Pulse with the Scrambler mod to protect yourself from hostile pulses.

Speaking of concealment, does the Mobile Cover concealment mod really let you be completely unpulseable forever? Since there's no time limit for the wall itself?

Tried it out by leaving my friends' group and having them pulse but they said they still saw a white outline. Anyone know quite how this works?
 

commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
I'm 17 and I've gotten jumped left and right prior to today. I've had very much the opposite experience from you and I'm on X1. I'm not gonna give in because I'd like to get to 50 but as it is so far, it's going very, very slowly and pretty frustrating.

DZ is better at 30 because the penalty to dying as a rogue is more substantial. Not sure what it is now, though, after the patch. You can always go with a group, which helps as well.
 

Granadier

Is currently on Stage 1: Denial regarding the service game future
Are weapon talents calculated in stats? (Dps and crit)

For example I am at 60% crit. I also have the talent 8% Crit chance when using vector.
Does that mean this talent does nothing as 60 is max crit, OR is that 8% calculated in the 60% crit and I only have 52% crit.

It's calculated in.
 

Soroc

Member
Farmed BK for about 2 full hours yesterday, close to giving up he finally delivered teh whopper. Then about 1 hour later I deconstructed by accident when I was cleaning out inventory.....

Decided to hit the drive thru 5 more times before going to bed last night, 1st kill after I destroyed the Cad and another Cad dropped! And this one was better stats too!

BK, you will forever be remembered, shine brightly in the frigid skies over NYC.
 

Ted

Member
If you read the whole thing they actually are asking for a NERF to the M1A. The poster says several times that they are not asking for a nerf, but then they do ask for a stability nerf of the M1A. They want the M1A to have less stability or more kick so it is harder to use.

Literally, yes, it definitely includes a nerf but the thread itself definitely isn't "nerf it naow" in spirit. In the scheme of things it looks like a buff to the class at the expense of a pretty small change to the M1A. A little extra recoil and spread would make it fit perfectly into a DMR role, still massively effective outside of the range of an AR but requiring a little recoil management to maintain a high rate of fire and stay on target. It would probably make it even more satisfying to use as well.

For reference the specific change to the M1A suggested is:

u/GuavaMonkey said:
The only nerf I’d add to the M1A is to increase the spread and recoil per shot to help balance out the great damage potential, forcing players to counter the recoil and pause between rounds. This wouldn’t invalidate that great HE M1A you pulled out the DZ in epic fashion, but it would help raise the skill ceiling to really make it shine.

Besides no need to worry as, if Massive are anything like the developer of my online shooter of choice, it's a decent user suggestion about balance so it is pretty unlikely to ever be implemented. :)
 
I know what you mean, but it's really not that bad. I'm almost level 45 right now, and I've yet to be attacked by a rogue, other than those I've hunted down. I've had more people revive me than actually shoot at me. If you're on PS4, I'm happy to hop into the DZ with you. :)

Sure! What is your PSN ID?

I really want to explore, but I guess going in solo is another issue.
 
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