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There's other ways to get gear besides crafting.
wesleyshark
Banned
Walked into the dz solo. Killed a named boss. Gold handstop drop. Successfully extracted. Today is gonna be a good day.
That's really annoying.
I've got all High-End gear crafted from Base of Operations Phoenix Blueprints and I still run into rogues in the Dark Zone who I barely hurt, but who can take me down ridiculously quickly. I don't even know where to find better gear from.
This just makes getting to their level even more frustrating. Especially when there's going to be even better gear on offer for those people to get.
If it's too frustrating I'll just hit up Destiny again (or Dark Souls III).
I've got all High-End gear crafted from Base of Operations Phoenix Blueprints and I still run into rogues in the Dark Zone who I barely hurt, but who can take me down ridiculously quickly. I don't even know where to find better gear from.
This just makes getting to their level even more frustrating. Especially when there's going to be even better gear on offer for those people to get.
If it's too frustrating I'll just hit up Destiny again (or Dark Souls III).
The only way that I could see this being okay is if all of the ilvl 30/31 blueprints get their materials reduced drastically.....to like 1/1 or maybe even just blues. That would allow people to play catch up and would slow the rate that 32s are crafted for everyone. Otherwise, it will just create a bigger gap. I, for one, am not touching a single BP until after the patch. Going to try to save up as many materials as I can.
optimus8936
Banned
Yeah farming hard missions for a small chance at a HE, or one guaranteed HE from a CM a day, and the casual player won't be doing many CM. That's going to take even longer. Crafting is the best source of HE and they made it extremely worse. Like I said, a lot of people will be leaving for dark souls and uncharted, and this will make the casual player base leave with them. The reason they are called casuals is because they don't have a lot of time on their hands and they don't have a lot of time to grind stuff, and this makes their situation even worse and they will just go and play other games.
Hoffelcopter
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SkylineRKR
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Yeah they likely farmed hornet and BK for at times 15 PC per kill during the first 2 weeks, not to mention drops and materials. They could roll endlessly and buy all blueprints. People who were behind aren't going to catch up, especially now that its becoming even harder to do so.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
We need Wes. 3 guys will not fucking die on this server. Plowing them with everything but nothing affects them.
Edit: I honestly thinking they are cheating with something its a joke.
Edit 2: One guy was stood there flash'd and I put a whole clip with the MP5 (190k DPS) into his head and the health went down barely 1/3 then back up instantly. Theres no way the damage I was putting into him he should've survived.
I read on Reddit some people have found an exploit so its super hard to die.
Edit: I honestly thinking they are cheating with something its a joke.
Edit 2: One guy was stood there flash'd and I put a whole clip with the MP5 (190k DPS) into his head and the health went down barely 1/3 then back up instantly. Theres no way the damage I was putting into him he should've survived.
I read on Reddit some people have found an exploit so its super hard to die.
Hellshingu
Member
I don't want it "easy" and I'm sure most people don't want it "easy" they just want it to be fair and worth their time. I play grindy loot games like PoE almost daily. So i dont mind working towards something little by little but within reason as in a game like that you don't need top tier gear to clear most content without much hassle.
Unfortunately this falls on the exploiters ruining it for everyone else. I knew I should have found every exploit possible and done it to the max. If they do changes like this with each major patch to combat exploiters then I am sure as gell going to exploit the crap out of whatever is found next.
Hoffelcopter
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Exactly. All this does is gives the fan base more incentive to exploit glitches in the future.
Actually it is the developers at fault for the exploits. First they took their sweet time fixing them that is on them. Secondly they released the game before it was ready with lots of bugs to exploit. Lastly they made the normal game so unrewarding people felt like they had to exploit to get any sort of reward. This is all on the development team nerf crafting but raise drop rates 500% in the DZ and 300% else where that be cool.
I hope the "and many more" includes Rehabilitated, Reckless, Mobile Cover glitch, Coolheaded proccing off of bleeds/fire, etc.
It does feel like it took them forever to fix some of the bugs. I know there's a process, but sheesh, every exploit ran rampant for nearly a week, and some discovered at release still haven't been fixed. I've read from some developers of similar games that it's much better to buff drops later, than have the rate too high and nerf later. Apparently the latter would cause even more balance issues, like the first weekend pitting people who farmed during the 10pc/kill days versus new 30s.
It does feel like it took them forever to fix some of the bugs. I know there's a process, but sheesh, every exploit ran rampant for nearly a week, and some discovered at release still haven't been fixed. I've read from some developers of similar games that it's much better to buff drops later, than have the rate too high and nerf later. Apparently the latter would cause even more balance issues, like the first weekend pitting people who farmed during the 10pc/kill days versus new 30s.
These exploits are another thing that's killing my enjoyment of the DZ. It's irritating to see you unload a clip into a guy and it barely doing anything while they drop you in a couple of seconds .I never know if someone I unloaded bullets in survived because he way outranks my gear or because of exploits and hacking. This is on the PC so it's a lot more rampant.
Rip Xbox dz
Hellshingu
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Agreed. Instead of making things right they took a pretty big step backward IMO. Hopefully they can make some changes before the content drop.
How do you have a clip with 9 bullets? Or can you add a clip with an HE 44? My purple only allows modding the scope and muzzle...*jealous*
Except this doesn't make it any bit "challenging", just tedious. I don't agree that people want it easy, but rewarding. Right now there's nothing rewarding with going up against named bosses or even doing big events. It just feels like time-filler.
The sad part is that this "punishment" won't affect the exploiters who are already roaming with top gear.
This x1000.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
I sent them a message asking what there stats were. That guy I had shot at said he had 70k health. If thats the case I have more health than him and I drop way quicker than he was plus I used booster shot.
I started asking about the guys he was and he pretended not to know them yet the friends list showed they were all buddies.
Regginator
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is there a way to access your stash while in the dark zone? i have some sweet loot but my stash is full, and obviously i can't leave without decontaminating them
A little late but congrats Noomi!Looks like I've missed quite a bit in these last few days. My son was born April 1st (haha!) and has been the absolute focus of everything since then, he's a really awesome little dude
I probably won't be coming back to The Division (or any gaming for that matter) for a while. I've learned just how precious sleep is, and I miss it more than anything lol.
Anyways, just wanted to post a quick update. Take care DivisionGAF! I'll see ya, when I see ya!
MythicReclaimer
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There is a lot more in play and other variables that needs factoring in than just the health number.
Flying Toaster
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HE mats for now.
Just did the CM not exploited. I must be odd but it was so much more fun.
Aaaaannnnd I'm done...Fun while it lasted.
Darknyss09
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Any reset groups on PS4 need 1?
MyNameIsRye
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Cause crafting is the only way to get HE items. See ya.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wow, they're doing their best to fuck over casual players aren't they?
Grind grind grind.
Grind grind grind.
Insane Metal
Member
This makes absolutely no sense. What are you doing, Massive? FFS
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Take all the lessons Blizzard learned with Diablo 3.
Do the exact opposite.
Maybe a real money auction house will come eventually?
I'm logging on now
With the current drop rate of HE items. It pretty much is.
With the terrible drop rates of HE, might as well be.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
I know but if a guy is standing there with no buff or shield and being headshotted with explosives with a full clip no one can survive it.
Miggytronz
Gold Member
There were changes today?!?!
H3rTz DoNuT
Member
Is this for real? lol Now I'm done with the game for sure, great job massive!!
I thought about that but some weapons cost like 400,000k and with the incursions coming they may add new ones to the vendors list as something that you can buy.
H3rTz DoNuT
Member
I think people are getting bored with the game already. I had like over 100 people on my friendlist playing it daily, now I can see 10 people playing The Division. It will get worse after the patch and I'm sure of it.
Some thoughts on the crafting changes:
Not sure. I think the message attempting to be sent here is that crafting is being reduced as an endgame min/max avenue, and more ways (item trading, reg credits to reroll, etc.) to getting better gear are being introduced.
It's pretty short-sighted to look at just the numbers for crafting better mats. You need to think bigger picture and actually play the new patch to see how it gets better or worse, in my opinion.
If it doesn't work well, I'm sure more changes and rebalancing will occur for 1.2
- You can now trade items in groups, meaning I could give you X amount of items. I can also give you a sweet item that RNG shone his holy light upon me with, while giving you nothing. You could keep this sweet item or break 'em down for crafting mats. This is something that does need balancing, which to me explains why crafting higher tier mat requirements were increased.
- Drop rates might be tweaked without it being listed on the patch notes.
- Being able to recalibrate with normal credits might mean re-rolling HE items (not weapons though) will be doable instead of just deconstructing and crafting again.
- Maybe this is a hilarious way of "rebalancing the economy" by slowly destroying all the excess parts/mats for the top 5% of players who exploited the heck out of BK and CM when they were viable.
At the expense of everyone else!
Not sure. I think the message attempting to be sent here is that crafting is being reduced as an endgame min/max avenue, and more ways (item trading, reg credits to reroll, etc.) to getting better gear are being introduced.
It's pretty short-sighted to look at just the numbers for crafting better mats. You need to think bigger picture and actually play the new patch to see how it gets better or worse, in my opinion.
If it doesn't work well, I'm sure more changes and rebalancing will occur for 1.2
EroticSushi
Member
Make an alt and level it to up to 6. Buy blues and deconstruct.
wesleyshark
Banned
Dude we are too. We've run into several servers where there were groups of eight+ that have folks who are taking absolutely no damage and as the ones who do go down get right back up. Head sratcher lmao
I've been able to tank a lot of their damage but I'm mostly having to run away and drop shock turrets to escape.
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