fuzzyreactor
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Why didn't they utilize Lara's aerobic abilities? Instead it's like she just got out of the Drake school of jumping far and grabbing shit.
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Tomb Raider |OT| Lara's Misfortune
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How many college graduates you know have the acrobatic ability of a circus performer?
SlasherJPC
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Right now your generally in a sea of people bad mouthing the game. Their own opinion of course but you'll find that most of the people that really loved the game have moved on from the thread already unlike the posters that keep talking about how bad a video game story is, can't understand how this is a game, and don't understand why people could enjoy it.
Cut the persecution complex out. It was a good game but it has several valid flaws, one of them being the story.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I'm not cutting anything out. Right now the thread has a ton of negativity comments posted by some of the same people over and over. You want me to lie and say otherwise... sure. No.
Raitosaito
Member
Who? All I see is valid criticisms. Lime did his review where he enjoyed the game overall for what it is, no one seems to have blatant hate for the game.
If you don't agree then just state your point. No one is on a mission to tear down this game.
How many college graduates you know have combat expertise? I'd find it a lot more believable that Lara took some gymnastics in high school and college.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
None, but I also don't know any college graduates that are born killers, skilled in melee and firearm combat, with the athleticism of a olympian and durability of a tank.
So you're basically whining about people with different opinions? Carry on.
Well Laura was trained by Roth how to survive, etc. but yeah it was pretty jarring going from sweet Lara Croft to Predator over the course of the game.
bad·mouth or bad-mouth
-To criticize or disparage, often spitefully or unfairly
Highlighting flaws / criticizing the game = badmouthing the game. You're reducing or mischaracterizing people's criticisms with a rhetorical trick. If you yourself is supposed to be a reviewer, surely you should be able to distinguish between badmouthing and criticizing.
Or do you really think that people have been criticizing the game unfairly?
Gears? Don't see any Gears here, sorry. Besides, Gears of War did not invent third person shooters, not that this game is really that much of one anyway. As there is more to it than that.
But where I feel it excels over the likes of Uncharted is in more open areas and masterful level design that intertwines with routes back to where you came from, different paths to take when there are enemies, and even a bit of Metroidvania type design with areas you cannot access until later in the game when you have the right items and upgrades. Will be nice to go back and explore the areas in different ways and collect lore, relics, etc.
In addition, I also feel the gameplay and the natural free-form cover is better. When Lara is sneaking with the bow, it feels great and you get a real sense of being a hunter. No, there is nothing incredibly deep here, but it works, it's polished, the presentation and production value is outstanding, it plays great and the level design is a thing of beauty. I can see why it was received so well, but of course you cannot please everyone. Again, to each their own.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I think those are all valid things to really like about the game I just don't see how it has anything to do with UC at all. The only thing it copies from UC is the 'idea' of a set-piece which I think is one of the weakest aspects of TR. I just don't see why people think that in order to glorify their experience they have to diminish the accomplishment of another game that it isn't even remotely like.
SlasherJPC
Banned
No, people going on and on about what they find bad, which as I said your opinion, is fine. Though the way some people are treating people who are enjoying the game is ridiculous. Hell I was insulted earlier for trying to offer my thoughts and called simplistic and would be amused by a lazer point pen.
ViewtifulJC
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Sunset Riders > Tomb Raider
Raitosaito
Member
Derrick does not represent GAF. Be good to remember that.
Yeah I haven't read all of the last couple of pages, but I understand where you are coming from then :lol
Unfortunately when people are reading texts and coming from different backgrounds and countries, the space of possibility for interpretation is wide open. In order to avoid misinterpretation, I completely agree that the tone and arguments should be as diplomatic and humble as possible without any mudslinging and/or excessive Oprah gifs.
oconnomiyaki
Member
hmmm...
I almost want to run with that.
Not sure to what flawed comments he's referring to, though. In the latest one I simply addressed her utter lack of argument. In a previous one, I simply pointed out that I don't believe "minorities" (which is such a fucking "white" term) should be included in games as some sort of "just because" while also stating that I don't think that video games or even society is ready to address the idea that a person goes far beyond their ethnicity.
/shrug
As for Tomb Raider: I had fun with it. I didn't stop having fun with it. I never wanted to stop playing; I never got bored and started looking at Facebook on my phone. It's rare that I can say that about games these days. I'm not looking at it to be some deep and meaningful piece of art. I wanted to be entertained and the game delivered.
I suppose I did not have to word it the way I did. As I actually love the first two Uncharted titles (did not care for 3). I have just heard so many rip this game as some sort of rip off, when it is really not and offers so much more than Uncharted at a gameplay level. That is all I meant and I think they are both superb for what they bring to the table. But as far as adventure games go, I do prefer this to the full-on linear design and sticky gameplay of Uncharted.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
For the record, the only reason I'm still here is because I haven't beaten the game yet, and this seems to be where the cool kids are
The English Conquistador
Member
Can someone gif the scene where
I think that was the greatest looking part of the entire game, and that's saying a lot. It looked incredible, and well done.
Lara slowly rises out of the river of blood?
I think that was the greatest looking part of the entire game, and that's saying a lot. It looked incredible, and well done.
First thing I thought when I saw that was, "Man the developers must really be fans of The Descent."
You might need to go to sleep man. You are approaching meltdown status over opinions of a game. If you enjoyed it then that should be the only thing that matters to you. Did YOU find value in it?
Because living on top of an explosive volcano is cool; and makes life interesting for the princess as she learned to enjoy every day as it might be her last because she never knew when she would be blown to peaces by lava and rocks.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah I haven't beat it yet either.
Ha I like it.
Yeah I can understand that.
Beat it. Loved it. Glad my original thoughts on the intro were wrong. Stupid Steam only unlocked two achievements for me, the last main story one, and 25% GPS. No idea how to go about fixing it. Finished with 8x%. I doubt I'll ever go back for the collectibles.
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and with a restart: all the single player achievements unlocked. hmmm
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and with a restart: all the single player achievements unlocked. hmmm
Why laughable? You are getting upset with people's opinions just because you think they are repeatedly bringing them up. What do you want us to do? Not talk about the game and act as if nothing is wrong with it? I'm done talking about people complaining.
perineumlick
Member
Lol, it's not that serious. As much fun as I've had with the game, there are many flaws and valid criticisms that many have discussed; the thread doesn't have to be a strictly positive circle jerk. No one seems to be saying the game is terrible; views are mostly positive.
jacksepticeye
Member
Lara has such a keen survival instinct she forgets to put on a bloody jacket, or even fashion a jumper out of stray tarp and flags. She can polish the barrels of guns, add padded stocks and completely fashion new weapons from spare parts. but she can't slap together a decent coverall jacket.
Then again they have to shove her boobs in your face somehow. Like that opening cinematic where it's supposed to be a perilous fall and all emotional yet her cleavage is right there nullifying any sense of emotion I could have had.
Then again they have to shove her boobs in your face somehow. Like that opening cinematic where it's supposed to be a perilous fall and all emotional yet her cleavage is right there nullifying any sense of emotion I could have had.
I beat the game entirely using the bows, except when the game forces you to use a gun in QTEs
jacksepticeye
Member
I hate the sound it makes :| sounds so weird. FC3 is the only game lately that did the bow properly and it felt really good
Man, MP is so hilariously designed/broken. It really feels like a team's first learning deal with multiplayer. Spawning is a bit whacked and some teams can just stay and camp in their main spawn points.
It's still UC MP at it's core and some of the maps are way more vertically designed. I'm having some fun and they hand out the xp like candy.
It's still UC MP at it's core and some of the maps are way more vertically designed. I'm having some fun and they hand out the xp like candy.
Stopped after doing a few things at
. Really loving it so far. The area and map design are stellar. The best part is that the areas are pretty wide open and fun to explore and find stuff. Loving the bow. And holy shit this game is gorgeous. SE/Eidos definitely went all out in terms of budget.
Mountain Village
You know what? Good. I'm always glad when someone feels this way about any game, no matter if I agree with it or not. Who the fuck am I to tell someone what's good for them? I can only speak for myself, and despite my disagreeing with you, I'm glad you had such a great time with the game.
Yep, spawn-on-friend and some of the treasure spawns are straight-up broken. Sometimes on certain maps the treasure spawns pretty much right next to the ring. It was also better in Uncharted IMO where both teams were vying for the treasure instead of this different objectives stuff.
I think a horde mode would've been cool though, or any co-op multi.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
That's really interesting because Uncharted makes it very clear were dealing with Hollywood blockbuster pop serial inspiration and even within that it try's to give you set pieces that are fantastic but make sense within the framework.
TR is the total opposite. It tells me its a story about survival grounded In a more realistic setting. All the PR pushed that idea so amidst that expectation the story really stands out in a bad way for me and the set pieces as well. They definitely come across as ideas that were shoe horned in for no reason. I think the game is at its strongest when you take the supporting characters, awful QTEs and the set pieces out.
I'm doing the same thing. The combat is much more fun with the bow.
MidnightCowboy
Member
Just beat it with 100%. If not for being obsessive about collectibles in games, I'm not sure I would have collected everything. There is literally no point aside from some XP, but that is pretty useless as well considering you can easily headshot every enemy. Still, that is where I derived the most fun, wandering around the hubs and whatnot, not during the actual story missions. Set pieces try to be awesome like Uncharted's, but it just amounts to everything falling apart. Seriously, does anyone have an exact count of the times Lara falls from something breaking apart? And "A survivor is born"? What exactly did I do to survive except kill a bunch of people? I thought I'd have to hunt over the course of the game and take shelter in places, but no, Lara is a machine. Also, the tombs are way too simple but I liked them if only because I enjoy solving puzzles more than shooting and pressing forward. Didn't like all the white rope stuff, it's so jarring considering the game is trying to be edgy and realistic (aside from the supernatural stuff).
All that said, I still enjoyed the game in a mindless sort of way and would welcome a sequel that improves on everything. Feels like a case of AC1, CD got the base right but needs to make an actual game around it. I'd want more Metroidvania elements.
All that said, I still enjoyed the game in a mindless sort of way and would welcome a sequel that improves on everything. Feels like a case of AC1, CD got the base right but needs to make an actual game around it. I'd want more Metroidvania elements.
Yep, some co-op stuff would have been fun. Those were some of my favorite times with Uncharted's MP.
This game is kind of fun because you'd really never experience this type of spawn camping in a AAA MP game. I'll drop it when Gears comes out soonish but it's giving me a few dollars more of entertainment.
I love it in this game. So much better than AC3. Admitedly I have yet to play FC3 though.
People really hate their circle jerks being interrupted.