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Toonami |May14| Toonami just got a lot Cooler
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Dr.Palutena
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But I am strongly neutral, Neutrals don't get any breaks. (I'm not neutral at all)
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
What a great service he provides for us.
Unspeakable Evil
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So I take it that thread went pretty bad.
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Dr.Palutena
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I will say, as a queer person, that I 100% never expected them to edit or change things, I don't think anyone realistically did. But their PR was a shit sandwich that never needed to be said or done. They could have easily said "We did not put this into consideration this time around and it is too late to edit or change the game prior to release". Instead they presented P.R with multiple problematic elements including :
1) Trying to present a point of view of being apolitical in regards to this when "creating a world in which queer people do not exist" is anything but apolitical, it's exactly the political tactic used by many in order to harm or deny queer people rights
2) As stated the P.R includes the same rhetoric typically used by anti-queer activists including simply the idea "we can will queer people away/make them invisible" , this is not new and it's something I as a queer person has faced my whole life. Heck most queer people like me, *enjoy* video games because it is typically a form of escape from that bullshit.
Look, if i didn't play or got upset over every game that didn't include queer characters I would not have very many games to play obviously, but that P.R was a shit sandwich. Additionally there already exist life sim games that allow queer relations (and Nintendo itself has had queerness in its games before) so it's not really a matter of public acceptance in that regard and it's pretty insulting to queer people and endemic to the kind of beliefs that hurt us to reason that fact changes because Nintendo is a "kid friendly" company.
Edit: Sorry I don't really intend to argue about this and tldr is ; The game not including queerness = meh/expected , That P.R they gave = shit and aggravating/insulting
1) Trying to present a point of view of being apolitical in regards to this when "creating a world in which queer people do not exist" is anything but apolitical, it's exactly the political tactic used by many in order to harm or deny queer people rights
2) As stated the P.R includes the same rhetoric typically used by anti-queer activists including simply the idea "we can will queer people away/make them invisible" , this is not new and it's something I as a queer person has faced my whole life. Heck most queer people like me, *enjoy* video games because it is typically a form of escape from that bullshit.
Look, if i didn't play or got upset over every game that didn't include queer characters I would not have very many games to play obviously, but that P.R was a shit sandwich. Additionally there already exist life sim games that allow queer relations (and Nintendo itself has had queerness in its games before) so it's not really a matter of public acceptance in that regard and it's pretty insulting to queer people and endemic to the kind of beliefs that hurt us to reason that fact changes because Nintendo is a "kid friendly" company.
Edit: Sorry I don't really intend to argue about this and tldr is ; The game not including queerness = meh/expected , That P.R they gave = shit and aggravating/insulting
I liked this piece by Christian Nutt, a gay person. It was nice to see his perspective on the matter in general.
http://gamasutra.com/blogs/ChristianNutt/20140508/217351/Understanding_Nintendos_Tomodachi_Life_problem.php
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http://gamasutra.com/blogs/ChristianNutt/20140508/217351/Understanding_Nintendos_Tomodachi_Life_problem.php
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Yeah I have a pretty unpopular opinion in regards to gay marriage and such so I tend to avoid threads like that anyway. I do get the urge to post though when I lurk. >.<
Dr.Palutena
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I'm glad the issue is blowing up in their face personally, but they would have been better shutting up or addressing it as I said early with a "we apologize ,however, it's too late to change it and we had not taken it into consideration for this entry" .
Wasn't the reason same-sex relationships were removed because it was a "glitch" that had effects on a bunch of other things in the game? If not for the side effects, I think they would have just let the "glitch" stand. Now that they have removed it, re-introducing it would be them intentionally adding same-sex relationships to the game, which is a concept that gives Fox News Bullshit Mountain a boner so fast it tears right out of their pants.
Is it actually blowing up in their face though? It's an awful lot of publicity for a game that basically wasn't going to get any. They'd have to be smart though and send out an apology soon saying they didn't mean to hurt anyone feelings and will either patch the game or make it a feature in a sequel if the game does well...which it won't so they'll never have to worry about it.
Doctor Decimate
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yeah. i mean, people would probably have taken issue with that statement as well, but it's by far the better option here. like, obviously so.
It was male male only and a glitch that deleted saves.
Another fun wrinkle is that the game has almost no agency; people couple up at random. Think of the sensational headline when Timmy's mom finds him and Joey making out on their game when one/both are straight.
Dr.Palutena
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I don't actually recall or know what statistics/studies show about the whole "any publicity is good publicity" idea, though i feel thats not actually the case. This also isnt a chik-fil-a situation where it's hella easy for ignorant/spiteful people to decide to buy the game (if they even own a 3ds) . Additionally by blown up I mean get enough attention (which it has appeared on radio shows and mainstream news sites) that they would at least self examine and consider the inclusion of queerness in future games, which is all I really want. Could care less if the game sells well or not.
Fox News: "Nintendo is forcing their homosexual agenda on YOUR CHILDREN"
This is all dependent on them putting a positive PR spin on it in the next week or so.
This is why they are scared. They should just nut up and find away around it. They already promote eugenics and inbreeding in pokémon, witchcraft and apostasy (and Satan worship if they publish SMT games/Bayonetta 2) so they already have certain family groups against them if they care to.
Dr.Palutena
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I suspect Nintendo are still kinda baffled their first attempt at P.R hasn't worked and don't even look forward to what they have in store if they try to spin some more. Personally I was gonna get the game but between the P.R and there being other 2014 releases for me to spend money on I couldn't care less, it's not even really a boycott per say I was on the fence already.
http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/c4FWbi-Uave2T9R1h7SFzX0aoa-d4pgx actually speak of the devil
http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/c4FWbi-Uave2T9R1h7SFzX0aoa-d4pgx actually speak of the devil
This is exactly what they should have opened with.
Dr.Palutena
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It's actually pretty significant Nintendo actually offered an apology and an intent to actually consider/change in the future. Though all that can be done now is wait and see and see if they put up with future entries of games where queerness should be at least considered an option. Can't really say or gripe when they have now said exactly what they should have said, just have to see if it comes to fruition now in the future.
Unspeakable Evil
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May the mods have mercy their souls.....nah
*Clap* Thank you Nintendo. Probably the best possible answer at this point.
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On the topic of first posts... gosh, I can't even remember mine in ToonamiGAF.
Dr.Palutena
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Don't care about E3 other than finally seeing Forza Horizon 2 and Microsoft maybe showing me some other semblance of a reason to waste my money on a xbox one
Glad to see Nintendo realized they dun goofed and listened/apologized
What I don't get is even if you were some dipshit who had no concept of empathy, after seeing 2315135125 people get banned for doing X, why would you just go ahead and then do X? People are being really stupid about this whole thing. For a website that prides itself on its educated and liberal slant, people here can be shockingly dumb/obtuse when it comes to subjects of race/gender/sexuality/etc.
What I don't get is even if you were some dipshit who had no concept of empathy, after seeing 2315135125 people get banned for doing X, why would you just go ahead and then do X? People are being really stupid about this whole thing. For a website that prides itself on its educated and liberal slant, people here can be shockingly dumb/obtuse when it comes to subjects of race/gender/sexuality/etc.
MS has a very rough road ahead of them after "ruining" Halo with its 4th entry. In an era with so few exclusives you really don't want to be the more expensive, less powerful system and I don't think a one month lead on DLC, Forza, more Halo of the same caliber of 4 is really going to cut it anymore.
Holding onto Gears was their only smart move in years and even that can only get you so far.
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Dr.Palutena
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Involve video games and people lose their heads (though OT is hardly better they just know better that this shit will get you banned)
My biggest problem right now is well the stuff you mentioned, plus now paying for Live seems even more like a hassle when I already have the much better PS plus and then there aren't that much SP exclusive experiences to make up for that. Had the same problem with the 360.
I've gone from never allowing a XBONE in my house (a pretty silly position) to won't get until it's 100 or less, which these days won't be until a year or two after the gen ends or a find a great deal somewhere.
I hate Gold. In fact I stopped paying for PS Plus the month after it turned into Gold Light, despite being a better deal and not owning a PS4 at the time (still don't) because even the thought of paying for online multiplayer is distasteful. Heck I nearly picked up a PS4 when my friend was going to get one and play Diablo 3 with him...until I remembered. Might do the PS3 version instead someday.
I hate Gold. In fact I stopped paying for PS Plus the month after it turned into Gold Light, despite being a better deal and not owning a PS4 at the time (still don't) because even the thought of paying for online multiplayer is distasteful. Heck I nearly picked up a PS4 when my friend was going to get one and play Diablo 3 with him...until I remembered. Might do the PS3 version instead someday.
lazybones18
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gay sex with dirty pirate gigolos....dammit, there's a damn good joke about this but I can't think of one
Dr.Palutena
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The instant game collection and no paywall for basic things like Netflix and streaming assuages my distaste for paying for plus, can't say the same about Live. I was gonna inevitably wait for a remodel of xbox one, but at this point I'd take it in white and for 400 if I have extra income.
TheAbsolution
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They should've led with this, but I still appluad them for their response.
ThatObviousUser
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Gonna send those Titans straight to the Shadow Realm.
UltraGunner
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Imagine when Project Beast turns out to be the new Souls game. Gaming will be a sea of Grey.
Gucci Messiah
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Sunset overdrive part II should be interesting
Port begging. Port begging everywhere.
UltraGunner
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No no MG, The real REAL shitstorm will be when the new Kamiya game is announced for the bone. You thought the Bayo 2 situation was bad, well...
Pretty sure the supposed the Platinum game isn't by Kamiya. He said he was taking a break after The Wonderful 101's release, and this rumor came out before TW101's release.
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