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Toonami |OT6| Where there's no such thing as filler

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MetatronM

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MCXC Pioneer said:
I couldn't tell you what any of those people (besides Laura Bailey) have been in (as far as anime) other than Bleach and I doubt most people outside of the most hardcore otaku(s) could either. That's not a snarky jab or anything, I'm being sincere.

When I think of a "who's who" list I look at it as the best or most iconic voice actors in the industry, not a bunch a regulars. Maybe that's not the norm, but that's how I personally look at it.
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Who the fuck is iconic in anime aside from the regulars?

Vic Mignogna is probably the most popular/famous anime VA in America other than Steve Blum (he's Edward Elric, among other things). Beau Billingslea is Jet from Cowboy Bebop. Wendee Lee is Faye from Cowboy Bebop. Spike Spencer is Shinji from Evangelion. Wally Wingert is all over the place, both in and out of anime. Outside of anime he played the Riddler in the Batman Arkham games and like half the supporting cast of Family Guy. Troy Baker is in EVERY game, most notably recently as Joel in The Last of Us. And so on.
 
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Seda

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Man God said:
That's a who's who list of US anime voice actors if I've ever seen one.

Naruto's list is similar though tons of the big names have very bit parts.
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In the recent Toonami airing JYB was two different fodder ninja in consecutive episodes :lol
 
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Gucci Messiah

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MetatronM said:
Who the fuck is iconic in anime aside from the regulars?

Vic Mignogna is probably the most popular/famous anime VA in America other than Steve Blum (he's Edward Elric, among other things). Beau Billingslea is Jet from Cowboy Bebop. Wendee Lee is Faye from Cowboy Bebop. Spike Spencer is Shinji from Evangelion. Wally Wingert is all over the place, both in and out of anime. Outside of anime he played the Riddler in the Batman Arkham games and like half the supporting cast of Family Guy. Troy Baker is in EVERY game, most notably recently as Joel in The Last of Us. And so on.
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Sean Schemmel, Chris Sabat, Veronica Taylor and Justin Cook just to name a few. Just because you appear in a lot of media doesn't mean you are iconic. Lil B makes a ton of music but isn't an icon in the industry.

And I'm strictly talking about dubbed anime, not other media. I don't know how to make that any clearer.
 
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MetatronM

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Veronica Taylor hasn't done shit in anime for YEARS. Sean Schemmel has done nothing but Pokemon and DBZ redubs (and one part in the new Berserk movie) for several years. Chris Sabat is basically a one company guy, he only works on Funimation stuff. Justin Cook barely voice acts now, he's mostly a producer.

Maybe that's a who's who of 2002.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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I don't think you're distinguishing between iconic (ya know, people FAMOUS for their roles) voice actors and people who appear in a bunch of stuff during a certain time period. If I had known people were going to flip their shit I wouldn't have even commented on it lol
 
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BatDan

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MetatronM said:
Veronica Taylor hasn't done shit in anime for YEARS. Sean Schemmel has done nothing but Pokemon and DBZ redubs (and one part in the new Berserk movie) for several years. Chris Sabat is basically a one company guy, he only works on Funimation stuff. Justin Cook barely voice acts now, he's mostly a producer.

Maybe that's a who's who of 2002.
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What is Veronica Taylor doing these days?
*looks her up* She's in Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal, but I don't know how long that will last when a fifth Yu-Gi-Oh series arrives (and you know it will).

She also plays Leo in recent Tekken games.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
I think you should probably just admit you're severely out of date with dub actors lol
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I already said I stopped watching dubs when I was 16 outside of toonami and the older 80s/90s stuff I grew up on. So yeah, I guess I'm out of date but I just don't consider many of the people on that giant list Meta posted to be iconic voice actors.

mhs004 said:
There are people do not like the based god? This is a terrible terrible world. Don't worry the based god still loves you.
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Some cannot fully comprehend the genius that is Lil B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_60vmiiaHY
 
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Man God

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They are. Most of those people have memorable support roles in modern dubs at the least, quite a few of them are leads on some rather well dubbed shows. Some of them are in 95% of the anime not dubbed by Funimation.
 
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MetatronM

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MCXC Pioneer said:
I don't think you're distinguishing between iconic (ya know, people FAMOUS for their roles) voice actors and people who appear in a bunch of stuff during a certain time period. If I had known people were going to flip their shit I wouldn't have even commented on it lol
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People like JYB, Spike Spencer, Vic Mignogna, Troy Baker, Wendee Lee, Yuri Lowenthal, Richard Epcar, Michelle Ruff, and Stephanie Sheh at least all still apply by this standard.

JYB is Vash the Stampede, Ichigo, Lelouch, etc.
Spike Spencer is Shinji Ikari, one of the most famous roles in all of anime.
Vic Mignogna is Edward Elric in all forms of FMA
Troy Baker is Excalibur in Soul Eater, Pain in Naruto Shippuuden, Greed in FMA: Brotherhood, Kanji in Persona 4: The Animation, etc.
Wendee Lee is Faye Valentine, probably one of the top 5 most famous female roles in all of anime
Yuri Lowenthal is Sasuke in Naruto, the number 2
#1
character in that series
Richard Epcar is Batou in Ghost in the Shell and Jigen in Lupin III
Michelle Ruff's most famous role probably IS Rukia, so it seems weird that she was the only one you were willing to give credit to, though she's certainly been around for a while.
Stephanie Sheh is Hinata, Eureka, Mamimi in FLCL, Mikuru in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, etc.

All of these are pretty damn famous roles. Troy's roles are probably the least famous of the bunch (though he's also probably the most famous actor of the bunch due to all of his extremely high profile video game roles...JYB is probably the only one who even comes close).
 
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Doctor Decimate

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MCXC Pioneer said:
I already said I stopped watching dubs when I was 16 outside of toonami and the older 80s/90s stuff I grew up on. So yeah, I guess I'm out of date but I just don't consider many of the people on that giant list Meta posted to be iconic voice actors.
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point being that it's kind of ridiculous to tell people who is and isn't iconic when you haven't watched dubs for quite some time.

off the top of my head i'll also throw in Kyle Hebert.
 
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Raxus

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Speaking of voice acting. I really hope the dub of Hunter x Hunter 2011 does the show justice because Gon (Megumi Han) and Killua (Miraya Ise) are aces. I was actually shocked to find out they were both girls.
 
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B-Dubs

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Raxus said:
Speaking of voice acting. I really hope the dub of Hunter x Hunter 2011 does the show justice because Gon (Megumi Han) and Killua (Miraya Ise) are aces. I was actually shocked to find out they were both girls.
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Articalys said:
I'm sure you'll all be delighted to know that Yen Press has licensed the original Sword Art Online light novels for release in North America, among other things.
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Goddamn it, work faster on Spice and Wolf and make them available as e-books! We don't need SAO porn.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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Doctor Decimate

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MCXC Pioneer said:
I'm not "telling" or stating my beliefs as fact, I was giving an opinion.
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an opinion which is pretty meaningless if you haven't watched dubs for a long time so i'm confused as to why you bothered to give it. "i don't recognize most of those people. oh by the way guys, i haven't watched a dub outside of Toonami for quite a while." i mean, seriously? there's opinions and there's uninformed opinions.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
an opinion which is pretty meaningless if you haven't watched dubs for a long time so i'm confused as to why you bothered to give it. "i don't recognize most of those people. oh by the way guys, i haven't watched a dub outside of Toonami for quite a while." i mean, seriously? there's opinions and there's uninformed opinions.
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Because this is a message board for discussion? I can give an opinion on whatever I want dude, step off your high horse. I'd bet many people here don't watch much dubbed anime outside of the shows that have been on toonami past or present.

Just because I don't believe these "new school" actors are iconic and worth remembering means I'm uninformed?

You're a dick.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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when you barely watch dubs to begin with and then try to talk about who is and isn't considered iconic, yeah i would call that the very definition of uninformed. you're talking about a subject you don't have much knowledge of. how is this even a debate? "i don't recognize them from the dubs i watched in like 2005" is the most ridiculous measure i've ever heard.
 
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BassForever

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MCXC Pioneer said:
Because this is a message board for discussion? I can give an opinion on whatever I want dude, step off your high horse. I'd bet many people here don't watch much dubbed anime outside of the shows that have been on toonami past or present.

Just because I don't believe these "new school" actors are iconic and worth remembering means I'm uninformed?
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Let me put it this way, if I were to watch this years Wrestlemania and say "man this years show doesn't have any iconic wrestlers" people who pay way more attention then I do are going to call me out for now recognizing big name wrestlers like John Cena and Brock Lesnar who because the "iconic" wrestlers since last I watched when the iconic wrestlers were people like Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan.

It's not a great example but I think you can get the idea, you even admitted that you've not watched dubbed anime in a long time. And to answer your question it's not so much that you're uninformed, it just makes it apparent you haven't seen a lot of the more popular dubbed anime in the past several years IE shows like Code Geass, Death Note, or Gurren Lagan.

The idea of an icon is someone who's famous in that field, saying people like JYB or Wendee Lee aren't iconic just doesn't make sense when they've played so many iconic roles over the past 10 years. JYB played the main character of Akira (dubbed 2001) and Trigun (dubbed 2003) so you can't even consider him to be "new school" lol
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
when you barely watch dubs to begin with and then try to talk about who is and isn't considered iconic, yeah i would call that the very definition of uninformed. you're talking about a subject you don't have much knowledge of. how is this even a debate? "i don't recognize them from the dubs i watched in like 2005" is the most ridiculous measure i've ever heard.
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Why are you unable to understand that this is just my opinion? I'm not stating what I think as fact, just giving my perspective. Just because I don't go out of my way to watch dubbed anime that isn't on television doesn't make my thoughts any less valid. You seem to be under the impression that I haven't watched ANYTHING dubbed any since "2005" when in actuality I said:

MCXC Pioneer said:
I already said I stopped watching dubs when I was 16 outside of toonami and the older 80s/90s stuff I grew up on. So yeah, I guess I'm out of date but I just don't consider many of the people on that giant list Meta posted to be iconic voice actors
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What part of this can't you accept? Toonami was around after 2005 and I kept on watching it (you can also lump Adult Swim into this, forgot to mention that). I just haven't gone out of my way to view dubbed anime that doesn't come on TV, specifically Cartoon Network.

Get off my back dude, you're beyond annoying right now. I don't care if you disagree with me, that's what drives discussion. But when you dismiss other posters opinions as worthless and misinterpret situations, that's when it goes too far. I've never put someone on my ignore list but damn, you're pushing me today.

BassForever said:
Let me put it this way, if I were to watch this years Wrestlemania and say "man this years show doesn't have any iconic wrestlers" people who pay way more attention then I do are going to call me out for now recognizing big name wrestlers like John Cena and Brock Lesnar who because the "iconic" wrestlers since last I watched when the iconic wrestlers were people like Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan.

It's not a great example but I think you can get the idea, you even admitted that you've not watched dubbed anime in a long time. And to answer your question it's not so much that you're uninformed, it just makes it apparent you haven't seen a lot of the more popular dubbed anime in the past several years IE shows like Code Geass, Death Note, or Gurren Lagan.

The idea of an icon is someone who's famous in that field, saying people like JYB or Wendee Lee aren't iconic just doesn't make sense when they've played so many iconic roles over the past 10 years. JYB played the main character of Akira (dubbed 2001) and Trigun (dubbed 2003) so you can't even consider him to be "new school" lol
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I mean, in that situation I wouldn't be dismissive and paint you as "uniformed" just because you don't view the "new school" wrestlers as iconic. You could watch the new stuff and just have no real connection to these people, and that would be totally fine with me because it would be your opinion. It would be different if you hadn't bothered to watch ANY wrestling in the past 7 years, but that's simply not the case.

Who is iconic to one person may not be iconic to another. Nothing JYB has done has really stuck out to me on a personal level. Some people may feel differently and that's fine. I've never seen Akira all the way through (I know, blasphemy) and don't really like Trigun (yes, I've watched it).

Haven't seen Code Geass. Watched Death Note on Adult Swim. Saw a few episodes of GL on netflix two years back, not my cup of tea.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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i fail to see how dismissing the opinion of somebody who barely watches dubs when he's talking about who is and isn't considered a big dub actor is unreasonable or unwarranted. i can't say much for popular authors today, and i can say jack shit about wrestlers like BassForever's example. you don't recognize these people because you barely watch dubs, and if you barely watch dubs i don't see how i'm supposed to put much stock in your analysis of who is and isn't a big name. putting it under the blanket of "well my opinion" doesn't make it valid.

you yourself admitted you're "out of date", and i am only reiterating that because you're out of date that you probably don't have all that much room to talk about this. that's just common sense. the same actors don't exactly stick around forever, and anime on TV is already a very very small sampling.

you're the one getting bent out of shape because somebody continues to disagree with you. maybe you should learn to take this a little better, because this really isn't the first time i've been surprised to see you run to extremes at a simple, civil disagreement. and when you're immediately flying to the extremes of calling me a dick or threatening to throw me on the ignore list. i'd probably be more justified in getting upset right now than you.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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If only watching what comes on toonami and adult swim counts as barely watching dubs, I don't know what to say. I don't have all day to sit around watching cartoons, toonami and adult swim fit into my schedule so that's what I watch. If I have extra free time and want to watch a show that isn't on cable, I prefer the sub to watch how the creators intended it to be viewed. Sue me.

And LOL I already said I don't care if people disagree with me, that's inevitable. I'm not upset either, I honestly just think you're annoying.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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i don't care what you want to choose to watch. but if you want to disagree with somebody on this subject after you've just admitted to not watching many dubs, i don't see how that's supposed to look like anything but silly. and i also don't see how me pointing this out warrants you getting as offended as you have. and trust me, nothing's more annoying than watching you react this poorly to just about everyone who has the gall to disagree with you for more than like two posts.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
i don't care what you want to choose to watch. but if you want to disagree with somebody on this subject after you've just admitted to not watching many dubs, i don't see how that's supposed to look like anything but silly. and i also don't see how me pointing this out warrants you getting as offended as you have. and trust me, nothing's more annoying than watching you react this poorly to just about everyone who has the gall to disagree with you for more than like two posts.
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In what world does watching whatever comes on toonami/adult swim consistently over the years count as not watching much dubbed anime? Do I have to buy DVD box sets of some obscure shit that doesn't air on cable to meet your arbitrary threshold? This is absolutely hilarious.

I'm not upset, quite the contrary. If you're so offended why do you even keep replying? That's some emotional shit I would have expected Drake to write. Lay off Take Care my man.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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MCXC Pioneer said:
In what world does watching whatever comes on toonami/adult swim consistently over the years count as not watching much dubbed anime? Do I have to buy DVD box sets of some obscure shit that doesn't air on cable to meet your arbitrary threshold? This is absolutely hilarious.

I'm not upset, quite the contrary. If you're so offended why do you even keep replying? That's some emotional shit I would have expected Drake to write. Lay off Take Care my man.
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in what world did you not admit in this very thread to not watching a lot of dubs?

why am i the one obligated to back down, exactly? and why are you unaware that "why do you keep replying?" after you just replied is the most hilarious response ever?
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
in what world did you not admit in this very thread to not watching a lot of dubs?

why am i the one obligated to back down, exactly? you are aware this applies just as much to you as it does to me, right? probably more so to you, actually.
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I was saying I haven't watched much dubbed material outside what has aired on toonami/adult swim. Can you really not comprehend this? Sorry to break it to you but most people that watch anime through a medium other than television are watching the sub.

This is the most emotion I've ever seen on gaf. You're bitching pretty hard and apparently getting offended, that's why I asked why you keep replying if that's the case. I'm just annoyed but at the same time entertained.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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because ASA's rate of show pick ups fell off a cliff and Toonami stopped airing much new stuff beyond Naruto after 2005?

this is even ignoring the part where the fact that you not finding them "iconic" does not change that they are big-name dub actors. and honestly do you really think calling me emotional over this is disguising that the only one getting emotional over here is you? because it's not fooling anybody. at best, your insistence that i must be mad or something is the only thing that has mildly irritated me, i hate to break it you.
 
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Man God

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The sad thing about this argument is that the list of Bleach dub actors have appeared multiple times in prominent anime rolls on Adult Swim Action/Toonami so it makes your case even worse.
 
Grizzlyjin

Grizzlyjin

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I don't have an ear for voice acting. If I'm not watching it on Toonami, I'm watching the subbed version. And since I don't speak Japanese, almost all the voice acting there sounds fine when it isn't your native tongue.

Bleach sounds as good as Soul Eater sounds as good as One Piece as far as I'm concerned. Although, two shows have stood out for me. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex and Cowboy Bebop.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
because ASA's rate of show pick ups fell off a cliff and Toonami stopped airing much new stuff beyond Naruto after 2005?

this is even ignoring the part where the fact that you not finding them "iconic" does not change that they are big-name dub actors. and honestly do you really think calling me emotional over this is disguising that the only one getting emotional over here is you? because it's not fooling anybody. at best, your insistence that i must be mad or something is the only thing that has mildly irritated me, i hate to break it you.
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Lmao guess I really did need to buy DVD box sets of stuff not aired on tv to get dub cred.

It doesn't matter if they're big name actors. If I don't form a connection with them on a personal level, then they aren't iconic to me. That's what we call an opinion, there isn't some defacto list. It's up to interpretation.

You're right man I'm so emotional. I'm actually crying as I type this out on my iphone :(
 
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Doctor Decimate

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considering you've already been given a big list of dub actors and their large roles on Toonami/ASA shows, maybe not so much.

and as i said, when you call the other person a dick and threaten to put them on your ignore list you look pretty ridiculous saying that they're the one getting emotional. tone down your obvious defense mechanism, please.
 
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BatDan

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I think the issue with Bleach's voice acting is that the actors and directors just don't care. They can't salvage this material anymore and most of them just phone it in. Kyle Hebert was sleepwalking through 98% of Aizen's lines (the 2% being the end when he finally hammed it up).

As for Japanese voice work, listen closely and you'll find bad acting.

If you want an example of poor voice acting in the original Japanese, listen to Fleet Admiral Sengoku during
Marineford
in One Piece. Though, that may have had to do with his voice actor Takko Ishimori being sick since he passed away two months ago.
 
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Doctor Decimate

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BatDan said:
As for Japanese voice work, listen closely and you'll find bad acting.

If you want an example of poor voice acting in the original Japanese, listen to Fleet Admiral Sengoku during
Marineford
in One Piece. Though, that may have had to do with his voice actor Takko Ishimori being sick since he passed away two months ago.
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i've always been bad at judging foreign language acting quality unless it's incredibly obvious or something.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
considering you've already been given a big list of dub actors and their large roles on Toonami/ASA shows, maybe not so much.

and as i said, when you call the other person a dick and threaten to put them on your ignore list you look pretty ridiculous saying that they're the one getting emotional. tone down your obvious defense mechanism, please.
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Just because they've appeared in a lot of shows doesn't make them iconic in my eyes. I have to form a connection with the actor to the point where they become one of my favorites. This is a really simple concept, I'm actually baffled that you can't understand it.

Calling you a dick and saying that you're so annoying that I've considered putting you on ignore isn't emotional. If I actually did put you on ignore then you might have a case but that's a cop out.

But you're right. I'm secretly raging over here punching holes in the wall in silence while a single tear rolls down my cheek. That is the true meaning of angst.

;____;
 
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Doctor Decimate

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not really, i'm just trying to figure when the definition of a "who's who" became "iconic" as opposed to "big-name actors".

it's a whole lot more emotional than anything i've done or said, actually.
 
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Gucci Messiah

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GMN said:
not really, i'm just trying to figure when the definition of a "who's who" became "iconic" as opposed to "big-name actors".

it's a whole lot more emotional than anything i've done or said, actually.
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Lol I'm not going in circles with you again. I can tell you want to win this internet battle over anime really badly so I'm just going to let you have it for the sake of everyone else in this thread.
 
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BassForever

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Schadenfreude said:
Did you hear? TOM will be played by Ben Affleck in the new Toonami webcomic.
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