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Torchlight II |OT| Good things come to those who wait
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QisTopTier
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Try it with a Greataxe. Should remove the damage variance on the WeaponDPS swing.
They can hit the same target again. It's what makes Flame Hammer better than Emberquake for point-blank damage. EQ just has the better range and homing on the splinters.
My 2H Engineer uses Seismic Slam and Dynamo as well so figured they'll help make Fire and Spark worth it. Assuming the passive functions as listed and not with some weird stipulations :|
learn all 3 test them, then respec them out if you dont like how they work?
Doesn't really help for figuring out their long term viability :x
learn all 3 test them, then respec them out if you dont like how they work?
Only 40 and I'm really giddy
.I have a question regarding this. I would find out the answer for myself but my video card has spontaneously combusted.
You describe "weapon DPS"; as far as I'm aware, the moves you're describing as "weapon DPS" pull from your enumerated DPS with that weapon (IE DPS + the character wielding it) and not the DPS of the weapon itself, meaning that both focus and strength boost your DPS skill damage provided that you are doing some amount of elemental damage. Please let me know if I'm wrong.
Assuming I'm not wrong about my first assumption, does that mean that skills that do weapon damage as an element double dip on that element bonus? For example: A skill does 100% of your DPS as fire damage. Your DPS is 100, and it's all fire damage. You put on a ring that boosts your DPS in fire by 50%. Your DPS is now 150, all fire; does it get that 50% boost AGAIN when calcuating the skill damage, making the calculated skill damage 225?
Firestorm works just like Hailstorm, except what you see is what you get as far as the stats. The fire vulnerability on it is great. Astral Ally is nice for having another extra thing between you and enemies, but the cooldown far exceeds the summon length without a high point investment. Shocking Orb is kind of a slow moving Storm Locus. I didn't like it, but I was comparing it to Prismatic.
Cool thanks. I like having another thing between me and the enemy as I am getting 1 shot more and more often... I think I need some more vit. Giving my pet "summon skeleton" was pretty good.
That's one of the things I need to check: When does +Elemental Damage% kick in? I'm going to assume that it would be:
(WeaponDPS * SkillMod) * (1 + ElementalDamageMod)
So, no, it wouldn't double-dip, it would merely apply at the end. So lets say you have 100 DPS from a Fire Wand and you use an Ice Skill that does 100% WeaponDPS. A +50% Fire bonus should theoretically do nothing for this skill damage since you're dealing Ice Damage in the end, not Fire, despite the source being a Fire Damage weapon.
Also, for that reason, I think Qis is right on WeaponDPS as Element not scaling with Focus since that would be an intense double-dipping on damage for high Focus builds with an Elemental weapon. That is, a no weapon Magma Spear or Icy Blast with 0 Focus or 2000 Focus would deal the same WeaponDPS damage (Magma Spear's DoT, however, would scale).
My question would be where does Attack Speed fall into this. I mean, it IS called "WeaponDPS" by all the tooltips. Theoretically speaking, Attack Speed should boost WeaponDPS which should boost skill damage based off their tooltips. But, trusting their tooltips ... :/
Okay, so how is online overall though? In the case of just joining random games and playing?
Cloudius12
Member
I usually just play with friends, but it will load up a search browser for other people games where you can filter difficulty, level range, etc.
God damn. Some of the Phase Portal stuff is awesome. Here's one I did in Act 3.
Fantastic performance, easily able to record 60fps 1080p video with no drops. Such an awesome game.
Fantastic performance, easily able to record 60fps 1080p video with no drops. Such an awesome game.
You can choose games by level/difficulty, and game mode (normal/hardcore), games with people from your friends list will appear in a different color. (pretty much works the same as Diablo 2's online games selector if you played that)
Online is completely open, so you might encounter some people that are actually cheating, but if you suspect anything, just leave the game, and make sure to add them to your 'block' list so they won't be able to join one of your games, and you wont be able to see their games too.
I have only played with friends, so I can't really say anything about public games.
Its nice. Ive just jumped in a few randoms. The map exploration may clear and have to start it over.
As for quests things seem to work pretty well. I was behind on my first foray and while on the secod to last quest I skipped ahead and killed the boss. No biggy. Next time i jumped in the player just started act 2. He came back after clearing the boss and he respawned.
Consoled a test Berserker to 100, 500, 1000, etc. Focus and spammed Icy Blast (15% WeaponDPS as Ice Damage) over and over on the Target Dummy.
Damage increased every single time I raised Focus. Again, this is a purely WeaponDPS as Ice Element attack. Adding STR mirrored the damage increase. These both went up regardless of what my weapon was (Axe or Wand).
:|
Edit: Trying it on Eviscerate (88% WeaponDPS, no element) has Focus doing nothing and STR scaling it.
Edit: So it seems like:
WeaponDPS: Scales with STR; if Weapon deals Elemental Damage, STR and Focus scaling.
WeaponDPS as Element: Scales with STR and Focus, regardless of weapon type.
I don't see why it wouldn't, considering that it has full mod support.
opticalmace
Member
Played my engineer up to level 32 or so. Had a lot of fun, but decided to reroll as a Berserker because a friend was starting a new character too.
Loooove the berserker. So much fun to just smash the crap out of everything. And use shadow burst to jump around everywhere, breaking shields and gaining health.
Loooove the berserker. So much fun to just smash the crap out of everything. And use shadow burst to jump around everywhere, breaking shields and gaining health.
This test isn't totally complete because focus will scale a weapon DPS move if you have sufficient elemental damage for the focus to register.
I think it is reasonable to assume at this point that focus benefits DPS as skills twice, which means it is likely that elemental damage bonuses do as well. I'll have to see though. I'll try tomorrow.
Only item equipped was the weapon. Equalizing the stats led to the same damage (e.g., 1500 STR/15 Focus vs 15 STR/1500 Focus). I used an Axe to remove damage variance.
Edit: As an unrelated aside, this has totally broken some of my achievements to do this testing
Sad day.Edit: So on the subject of my Caster Berserker, hooray, I just get free +90% Ice Damage by equipping a melee weapon.
You can change difficulty whenever you want using the online lobbies.
Just did a quick test on this, Fire and Spark did nothing to the impact swing of Flame Hammer. Flame Hammer DID scale with Focus, however and Arcane Stats shows the +75% Fire Damage. So ... something.
Tested it at various Focus values (up to 60000). The swing stayed relatively constant* regardless of Fire and Spark involvement or not. Damage did increase with Focus and Strength at the same rate (60000 STR did ~13,000 per swing; 60000 Focus did ~13,000 per swing).
*This was an odd thing. I used an Axe which has no damage range. I had variance, however. Not much, a few hundred at the 13k damage range, but it was kind of odd.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
So there is a stat listing for "Fishing Luck Bonus" but nobody has any clue what can raise it. There also seem to be extremely varied reports on fishing, where people report properly fishing every single fishing hole in the game completely and some got zero giant fish and some got one of every type.
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
UncleSporky
Member
It's just very rare. I went hunting for it and got it once out of 8 rerolls (the once was the third time I tried).
UncleSporky
Member
Holy crap, guys. Equipping items early by statting for them is TREMENDOUS.
I have a level 21 engineer who just got to act 2.
I have the Brainsnatcher equipped, socketed with a level 40 version of The Eye of the Dark Alchemist.
376 DPS, 480 physical damage over 5 seconds, 15% chance to stun, and 9 mana steal.
This is going to be fun!
EDIT: I...I used to have enemies. They have all passed away.
I have a level 21 engineer who just got to act 2.
I have the Brainsnatcher equipped, socketed with a level 40 version of The Eye of the Dark Alchemist.
376 DPS, 480 physical damage over 5 seconds, 15% chance to stun, and 9 mana steal.
This is going to be fun!
EDIT: I...I used to have enemies. They have all passed away.
MrPing1000
Member
Was a fan of the original, but with diablo 3 coming out, didn't think I'd be too interested. Played through the demo, I was wrong.
Played as a one click wonder beserker (no secondary skill at all, just passives) on vet. It was tough until I found a legendary claw called Juniper Zill which has a 20% chance to cast eviscerate. It's rather nice.
And £15 is a damn nice price.
Btw if you buys it directly from their website, do u get the steam version? *edit* ah it's in the FAQ, you don't. But gamergates is in dollars and it's the steam version, yay saved myself £2.50*
Played as a one click wonder beserker (no secondary skill at all, just passives) on vet. It was tough until I found a legendary claw called Juniper Zill which has a 20% chance to cast eviscerate. It's rather nice.
And £15 is a damn nice price.
Btw if you buys it directly from their website, do u get the steam version? *edit* ah it's in the FAQ, you don't. But gamergates is in dollars and it's the steam version, yay saved myself £2.50*
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Streaming some of my 44 Berserker on Twitch. Just got a new unique sword. Excited to show it off.
http://www.twitch.tv/thetrin
http://www.twitch.tv/thetrin
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I don't know if it was level or MF gear or story progression or what, but something definitely changed my odds. I mentioned a streak of four Giants earlier, but it actually ended up being six in one fishing session. There's no way that's just errant luck.
I'm doing that now! It's fun except there isn't much variety in a cannoneer build since so few skills benefit the weapon.
opticalmace
Member
Found a gem with 93 health stolen/hit. Awesome. (I'm level 32 currently.)
The_Player
Member
WOULD TRADE FOR IT
Cloudius12
Member
http://torchlight2armory.com/item?i=8105819619744702822
I found this item somewhere in Act III and have little clue how I came about this item.
It may have been in Blightbogs/Abandon Sawmill. Not sure if it was a boss drop or regular monster drop, but I need more!
I found this item somewhere in Act III and have little clue how I came about this item.
It may have been in Blightbogs/Abandon Sawmill. Not sure if it was a boss drop or regular monster drop, but I need more!
Csokis
Member
Robot Parts Locations & Secret Side-quest Guide
http://www.gamefront.com/torchlight-2-robot-parts-locations-secret-side-quest-guide/
http://www.gamefront.com/torchlight-2-robot-parts-locations-secret-side-quest-guide/
I just lost around five levels of progress because steam cloud decided to not sync my save and I was dumb enough to pick the cloud save. FML
Lost some of the uniques I got. It sucks. On the bright side, I'm gonna hold of on gambling this time around since it my made character so broke last game
Lost some of the uniques I got. It sucks. On the bright side, I'm gonna hold of on gambling this time around since it my made character so broke last game
opticalmace
Member
I did something similar but switched from engineer to berserker. Engy was pretty easy to play (mines, healing bot, gunbot, shotgun to keep them away). But it's way more fun to me just ripping them apart as a berserker.
There's a demo you can download and try out to see how the game fares on your ultrabook.
http://www.torchlight2game.com/
The demo may also be on Steam but I don't know for sure.
No, I mean that if you dealt no elemental damage to begin with, then points into focus would be boosting a value of zero by a percentage. So for you to distinguish whether or not focus was influencing the DPS of skills tied to DPS, you would have to do a test incorporating elemental damage as well.
EDIT: I did not see your edit. Ignore.
UncleSporky
Member
An interesting set of observations about Outlander's Bramble Wall. Sounds like a really cool skill that I ought to try out sometime, I've never been a fan of wall-type skills in these games but the fact that it "tanks" for you is neat.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Oh really? That is good to know.
PepperJack
Banned
Finished it last night with outlander. Good bosses at the end, but I felt level design wasn't as good as in the earlier parts of the game. Also I felt kind of lost in terms of where the story was. Great game nonetheless!
Now continuing on NG+ and also rolled a new mage. Seems quest options also randomize on each playthrough as well as the areas - lots and lots of re-playability. My only gripe is probably I liked D3's skill system where they didn't lock you into a particular build. I know you can stat-reset, but it would have been better if you could buy some potion/use the stat reset person, and reset any 3 stat points you want, not just the last 3.
Now continuing on NG+ and also rolled a new mage. Seems quest options also randomize on each playthrough as well as the areas - lots and lots of re-playability. My only gripe is probably I liked D3's skill system where they didn't lock you into a particular build. I know you can stat-reset, but it would have been better if you could buy some potion/use the stat reset person, and reset any 3 stat points you want, not just the last 3.