It was always such an embarrassment to have people come over who didn't live in the area and not have a single bar to take them to that was within walking/cabbing distance.
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- Thread starter EvilMario
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It was always such an embarrassment to have people come over who didn't live in the area and not have a single bar to take them to that was within walking/cabbing distance.
I like that he says that the "will of the people" is Subways because they voted for Ford, but somehow if the council votes against it that's a "whim of the council" as if nobody voted for them.
lunarworks
Member
I think council more closely represents "the will of the people" because Ford has clearly shown he won't listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with him.
lmfao and the thread delivers
We are already amalgamated!
And I work in Etobicoke/Kitchener/Waterloo(/Downtown TO on occasion) on the weekends as well, so being next to the 401 in Scarborough makes a lot more sense than living in a place where having a car is far more frustrating.
AlphaTwo00
Member
Screw that. I'll go build my own (GTA - Toronto)-Age, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the (GTA - Toronto)-Age and the blackjack.
Well The Star did run a story where they asked random people in Scarborough what they preferred and a lot of them responded with statements like "Yeah, subways sound good, we should build those".
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
I think everyone prefers subways. It's just the baggage attached to building one is unattractive.
AlphaTwo00
Member
Which is fine. Hey, I'd like us to get a second airport too.
But, who's going to pay for it, and what would you need to sacrifice to pay for it? Once you throw that into the equation, then you get much more interesting results.
Subways are great, but there are a few factors involved. Most notably is cost of building a subway today compared to fifty years ago. You could build 20km of LRT for the cost of 1km of underground subway.
And there's population density issues. You wouldn't build a subway up Jane St, because there has to be a huge population there to support it. You can build LRT with much lower expectations. They really screwed up with the Sheppard line, trying to project just how much development there would be. And while there has been development, it's not to the level they needed to justify a subway.. and people still prefer to take the car from that far out in some cases (family of five driving downtown is expensive on the TTC compared to the drive, and it takes a long time to get downtown sometimes too).
People mostly hate LRTs because they picture streetcars on Queen St, 'blocking traffic'. But designed properly and giving them right of way, LRTs are a great benefit.
Rob Ford does not find such things interesting.
lunarworks
Member
I'd like a $50,000 car and a $1,000,000 house, too.
Rob Ford has a plan to get you those things by 2015.
Zombie James
Banned
Of course everyone wants subways. I want subways. I want a subways system that looks like this:
But the financial reality just makes it impossible to do. The fact is LRT's will service way more people than subways for the same amount of money. Ford keeps saying he's some sort of business expert focused on efficiency but leave it to him to keep suggesting the most expensive option that services a fraction of the city.
But the financial reality just makes it impossible to do. The fact is LRT's will service way more people than subways for the same amount of money. Ford keeps saying he's some sort of business expert focused on efficiency but leave it to him to keep suggesting the most expensive option that services a fraction of the city.
added_time
Member
EvilMario: I'm curious if you could see your place in that photo I posted earlier today? It was the correct part of town at least, yeah?
The Interrobanger
Member
I doubt it.
My detective/stalker skills tell me he has a dog and has mentioned high park a bunch before so he's probably closer to Bloor and somewhere along the lines of Windemere or Ellis Ave.
If he lived there (in your picture I mean) he'd go to a different dog park closer to the lake (Humber West).
What kinda dog do you have Mario? I'm at high park everyday with my pooch, Gus.
You can't see our place in that photo. We're in one of the smaller apartment buildings north on Windermere (south of the roundabout). If you're ever coming up Windermere, look for the windows with all the sprites in the window. But you were in the right direction, added. 
Interrobanger, we have a lab / whippet mix. Shelter rescue we've had for 5 years (he's six now). We rarely make it to High Park, and if we do, we stick along the west end trail. Dog Hill is so busy and crazy. Thankfully, we have an off leash park close by in Rennie Park.
Interrobanger, we have a lab / whippet mix. Shelter rescue we've had for 5 years (he's six now). We rarely make it to High Park, and if we do, we stick along the west end trail. Dog Hill is so busy and crazy. Thankfully, we have an off leash park close by in Rennie Park.
Zombie James
Banned
This is how pathetically desperate Ford's become:
http://thestar.blogs.com/thegoods/2...iling-ally-from-sickbed-for-transit-vote.html
Fucking pathetic.
http://thestar.blogs.com/thegoods/2...iling-ally-from-sickbed-for-transit-vote.html
Fucking pathetic.
He's just trying to be a nice guy. Next he'll offer to have a sterile bubble erected in council chambers so he won't have to worry about an infection that can kill him.
If only Rob didn't work so hard dismantling that gravy train to city hall, wouldn't even have to offer the dude a ride.
I wish we had a subway like NYC as well. But it does have it's pro's and con's. The big pro is that it's very extensive. It was built with express trains in mind. Therefore you can run trains 24 hours a day and run track maintenance at the same time. The reason why the TTC isn't 24/7 is the single lines we have. Cons are that most of the lines are way overcrowded at rush hour and since the subway was built over a century ago a lot of maintenance happen all the time (even with dual tracks). Such as lines not running all weekend or missing a whole bunch of stops by passing local stops. Another gross factor is the heat and humidity in the summer. I think it gets hotter in the tunnels than above ground.
It's impossible to build something like that nowadays without it costing an obscene amount of money that we don't have.
It's impossible to build something like that nowadays without it costing an obscene amount of money that we don't have.
lunarworks
Member
It is insanely hot and humid in NYC's subway system. It would make you wish for the AC-less subway cars the TTC just retired.
BladeWorker
Member
You mean third.
Otherwise, yes. Walking around asking people what they want without context and comparisons ("would you prefer to spend money on one subway or 10 LRT lines" / "one subway line or a rail link between Union and Pearson") is unscientific, inconclusive, and thusly worthless.
It's like asking if people like puppies.
BladeWorker
Member
At least he doesn't invoke Hitler to disparage his political opponents.
Instead, his brother just says that anyone who disagrees with their plan is betraying those that hired them.
From what I gather, people are backing Stintz for learning her file and making a judgement based on what she knows - even at a potentially career-limiting cost.
AlphaTwo00
Member
A crap. Right. Island airport. I was in the mindset of a international airport (which, IIRC, was always under consideration but never going beyond that).
BladeWorker
Member
Technically, the Island Airport is International. Starting this spring, Porter will even start flying to Dulles.
And, with lower landing fees than Pearson, airfares are generally lower (and Porter has 50% off sales it seems every three months).
Yes, I'm a walking ad for the Island Airport/Porter.
lunarworks
Member
My brother who lives in Brampton and works at Pearson would rather fly with Porter when he has to go to the east coast of the US. Hell, he's even gone down to Buffalo on a couple of occasions instead of flying out of Pearson.
AlphaTwo00
Member
I don't think anyone here would actively choose Pearson over Island/Porter if they were given the choice.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
I've only been to Queen of Sheba. It was pretty good stuff even if I wasn't used to eating that kind of food with my hands.
I've never really had a bad time traveling out of Pearson (although I've never be there during the holidays). It's just the getting there that's the issue.
I've never had problems leaving Pearson but it's cheaper to fly out of the Island and for places that the Island doesn't service Buffalo is a pretty good alternative if you don't mind the drive. On a couple of occasions my brother and his wife went to Niagara Falls for a night out then they crossed the border the next day with his wife driving back home after dropping him off. He told me it was cheaper to do all of that (gas, dinner, motel room, flight) than it was to drive himself to Pearson and park for free (since he works there). Most people don't realize how expensive Pearson is. Hell, remember that snow storm in London last year where a bunch of people were stranded? A few of those unlucky people were driving all the way out there to catch a flight for a vacation because it was a hell of a lot cheaper.
Council meeting discussing Transit City has started.
http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?sid=1030&rid=16&lid=237&lve=29782
http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?sid=1030&rid=16&lid=237&lve=29782
Any liveblogs?
What the hell is wrong with the RogersTV stream today? Buffer city.
"Yes, but--"
"No, I got my answer."
This guy is an idiot. He's asking about things that have no bearing on the situation. Of course a subway is faster. Of course a subway will carry more passengers. But that's not the issue.
added_time
Member
I thought the emergency council meeting was supposed to be on Thursday?
...anyways here is the Toronto photo of the day:
...anyways here is the Toronto photo of the day:
Doesn't seem like it. Sometimes The Star does a blog, but not today. Nothing on BlogTO, Torontist, Spacing, or Toronto Life either. :/