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Toronto-Age |OT2|
- Thread starter EvilMario
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Guess that works - it's not really anywhere in store, for some reason. If I buy from best buy I like doing in it store so I can use my discount though
- I guess I can always return resell it for that. I'll do it that way!BladeWorker
Member
Guess that works - it's not really anywhere in store, for some reason. If I buy from best buy I like doing in it store so I can use my discount though
I've done the order online pick up in store thing, and they don't charge my card till I pick it up. That might still work if you're looking to use your discount.
It's hilariously out of stock everywhere. Can't tell if it sold out or if there's just no shipments, but I think it's the latter. Though I did see one on display in the oakville best buy over the weekend.
That only works if the store itself has stock, they get a little message at the customer service desk, print out the order and hand it off to someone to grab the items and bring it to the ISPU desk, wherever they have it located.
Basically, wouldn't work in this situations as no stores actually have it in stock.
I was looking at one a few weeks ago, but I haven't seen any shipments since. Our store for example only got 3 shipments total I think, and all three were out the door same day (there were like at most, 5 a shipment). It got low balled, is what it looks like. Next time I'm in work I'll have to check to see if there are any more orders. I want one. If they don't have anything though, fuck it - online order and wait the half week.
Zombie James
Banned
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...r-subways-voters-dont-want-it/article2371843/
Reality to Ford: Subways cost money.
Reality to Ford: Subways cost money.
That's not really a surprise, but Jesus Christ, the man will not quit... he must really have some good side-deals in the works predicated on this.
Zombie James
Banned
Imagine if he cared this much about what the public had to say about libraries, pool fees, Jarvis, and women's shelters.
What kind of side deals could be worth all this trouble? IMHO he's doing it out of ego right now, he's being a sore loser.
What does everyone think of Colle? I haven't ever paid attention to him until the article below, and now I'm moving into his ward in a few months...
http://torontoist.com/2012/01/josh-colles-coming-out-party/
What does everyone think of Colle? I haven't ever paid attention to him until the article below, and now I'm moving into his ward in a few months...
http://torontoist.com/2012/01/josh-colles-coming-out-party/
crazy monkey
Banned
So does any one here supports subway plan or is it me only? lol
lunarworks
Member
What an incredible day out there. Too bad I'm too lazy to go out and enjoy it.
I'd support the subway plan if it made financial sense and wouldn't take 20 or so years to implement.
I'd support the subway plan if it made financial sense and wouldn't take 20 or so years to implement.
I don't support the increase in fees and taxes required to have them.
It costs billions more and would take decades to implement. Why go subway over overground/underground LRT - if the LRT system can move more people efficiently, for cheaper, and quicker?
You know if there was an actual reasonable plan to pay for it (federal or provincial funding, parking tax, tolls, vehicle registration etc) and didn't take away funding from other lines... sure. But that's not the case.
Seriously Eglinton needs transit, Finch needs transit, Sheppard needs transit, Bayview needs transit, Jane needs transit. Putting down one stop a year on Sheppard only for one billion a pop is just not good policy in the face of all of that.
Plus subways are expensive and only make sense in very dense areas. Hell I lived on Don Mills and Sheppard for about 3 years and took advantage of the Sheppard line every day and god damn that thing is so deserted outside of peak rush hours that it isn't even funny.
I never paid attention to him either but thanks for the article.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Guess a final announcement from me on this thread about the meet up.
The Ballroom across from Scotiabank theatre at 7.
I am disappoint you guys don't want to meet a bunch of random Internet people for drinks.
The Ballroom across from Scotiabank theatre at 7.
I am disappoint you guys don't want to meet a bunch of random Internet people for drinks.
I was willing to hang out with you for a bit but you ran away from me.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
I was willing to hang out with you for a bit but you ran away from me.
Lemme buy you a round, make up for it!
Scary white guy...
>_>
<_<
Not this time generic asian dude.
EDIT: If a few people want to get together to pick up some Zelda tickets (which go on sale March 31st) then I'm in since none of my friends want to go.
Zombie James
Banned
Two very important points:
- No subway plan exists.
- Under Ford's original plan of burying the entire Eglinton LRT, Finch and Sheppard get nothing.
The last one is important, because I don't think it's been made clear enough that Ford's original plan - and the plan he's currently campaigning for - has no money allocated towards any subways anywhere. The only thing that exists are idiotic fantasies like "the private sector will pay for everything" and "if we start digging, money will come."
I don't think there's a person in Toronto who wouldn't prefer subways over LRT's, but the question isn't "Do you want subways?", it's "What's the most efficient way to spend $8B that services the most people?" Subways aren't it.
crazy monkey
Banned
My point of view is: A dedicated bus line will do the same trick as tram on the road.
Long term (I.E) : Subway are better. City is growing too much. Road will become more congested.
Cost: It will cost more. Will take longer to make. I am willing to pay more tax if needed but I think this is better option.
30 years ago Markham and Scarborough were fields mostly. Look at that today. City is exploding with population and subway will need to be built. If not today than afterwards. Why not start with good plan today. IF there is not plan work on it. My opinion but it is not popular one i know.
Long term (I.E) : Subway are better. City is growing too much. Road will become more congested.
Cost: It will cost more. Will take longer to make. I am willing to pay more tax if needed but I think this is better option.
30 years ago Markham and Scarborough were fields mostly. Look at that today. City is exploding with population and subway will need to be built. If not today than afterwards. Why not start with good plan today. IF there is not plan work on it. My opinion but it is not popular one i know.
BladeWorker
Member
Although I won't be there..
A short walk from the subway, or the 501/504 Queen/King streetcars. 19 already committed.
Sorry boys, I'm doing laundry.
AlphaTwo00
Member
BOO THIS MAN
Would you rather he come naked?
BladeWorker
Member
Zombie James
Banned
LRT's hold more people, cause less pollution, and are faster than buses.
BigJonsson
Member
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
lunarworks
Member
Please explain to me how a dedicated bus lane is a better idea than a dedicated LRT lane.
They both "block" the exact same amount of traffic.
BRT would have less upfront cost in most cases, but more cost as time goes on. Most LRTs are not buried, which will raise cost of these projects enormously. In practice, LRT makes more sense in more densely populated sections of the city, where the carrying capacity (depending on length of the train, of course) is great than a bus, or multiple buses leap frogging. But just like subways don't make sense for every neighborhood because of population, dedicated bus routes might make more sense in some lesser populated sections.
There's also perception on a neighborhood. Rail transit has appeal to potential property owners, where people often look down upon BRT. Not saying it's right to have this mind set, but it can happen. It's similar to people that won't consider LRT instead of subways.
In theory, building BRTs at low cost as we 'wait for subway money' might be okay. But I wouldn't place any bets on Toronto finding magical money for subway lines the length of the LRTs were' talking about. Many bus routes along places like Sheppard and Finch are already packed well over capacity too, and having dedicated lanes won't help until you start packing more vehicles on the road at a greater cost. I personally think we should push forward with the LRTs. They're a slightly longer term commitment than the BRTs, because of the money devoted to them, but they make a more attractive fall back plan when in fifty years Toronto still doesn't have money for subways and the population has ballooned.
Speaking to crazy monkey's point on preferring subways, it's simply a matter of cost and growth. The city has sat for three decades too long not building subway transit, and now the cost is so much that it's nigh impossible for the city to build anything outside of short extensions on existing lines because of how much it would cost. Priority should be to reach as many people as possible with the resources we have, with a system that will last. LRT (and BRTs in areas) will definitely accomplish this goal, and if the city does find money eventually, building LRT routes and stations set up nicely for a transition to subways hopefully. However, not doing anything because it's not 'subways' would be a mistake.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Too bad you aren't here EM. Lotta people here would've liked to see you.
If we do another one in a couple of months hopefully I can make it. And it'll be patio season.
edit: Maybe I should do my birthday party with Toronto-Age next month.
crazy monkey
Banned
Mario explained my point. It is not about traffic blocking but moving people. Adding more bus and dedicated bus line. Regardless as I said I am okay with tax increase to support subway if it is done right. LRT is great if they can build lot of pass overs. OR something similar to Scarborough LRT. I hate street cars.
lunarworks
Member
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crazy monkey
Banned
well they are slow and ugly and slow and ugly.
17 people.
Has to be one of the most successful meetups on GAF. I am sad I did not get to go.
Hohoho. Edited: I thought it was 19, but 17 showed up. Still, an impressive turn out. Kraftwerk and everyone should be applauded for actually forcing people to go, even if it took a while to determine a date.
added_time and myself have to attend to next one. I say we do it at Roto's place.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
One Lurker ane one gaf friend came
Eww, lurkers? Gross. Should have been bounced.
We can all share my one chair.
We can all share my one chair.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Who...who the hell were you?!?!?!?!?
Should've said something as I don't think any of us caught you.
Edit: pretty good group of guys. Some interesting stories, KRAFTWERK! Hopefully can do it again.