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Toronto-Age |OT2|
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firehawk12
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Ah, cool!
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yup. Toronto gaming is saved!
Anna Kendrick makes this a must-see, Rebel Wilson makes me want to kill it with fire.
awesome
BigJonsson
Member
Is there a passenger pick up or parking area outside of Woodbine station?
Edit - I streetviewed it, looks like there should be enough space to stop and wait for my friend tomorrow
Edit - I streetviewed it, looks like there should be enough space to stop and wait for my friend tomorrow
Well, now it's official. The TTC won't be operating the Eglinton LRT and will have veeeeery limited input on the project (ie; input on transfer stations). Fares and transfers should be interesting for users of the route.
added_time
Member
Fucking idiots. This better not turn out like in some cities where you have to pay twice but I don't see how it wouldn't.
Guessing that Eglinton is going to be more expensive than the nearly $5 TTC fare in 2022, so you can show a transfer / pay with TTC token + cash difference. It'll be sort of like VIVA connections.
Hopefully we'll have PRESTO / Smart Cards installed everywhere by then.. and a universal metropass (looking forward to the gigantic Metropass price increase with Metrolinx wanting a piece now) for both systems. I feel bad for a lot of communities along Eglinton if the fare keeps people off the LRT. Forest Hill and East York can afford it, but the communities that really need the LRT (Oakwood, Dufferin to the west) are not going to pay high end fares to ride it.
STUPID AS FUCK
The transit in this city gets more ridiculous almost daily. I still think the bigger question is why are we still even entertaining surface level transit? Toronto just doesn't have the space on our already jam packed roads. I realize the subway isn't going to happen overnight, but we need to start somewhere.
It doesn't make sense to put it underground east of Brentcliffe Ave , or west of Keele. You're just wasting money at that point. Take a view of Google Maps, or make the drive up yourself. There is room for the LRT above around, and to give it its own right of way. Don't buy into the Ford crap that underground is the only way to go, no matter where you're building. Surface rail transit is not the enemy, especially when you actually give it the right of way.
Or did you not realise that the mostly heavily congested parts of Eglinton would be underground?
Where it comes out on the surface east:
And where it comes out west:
added_time
Member
The Eglinton line is going to be underground for the busy part
I knew this would be an unpopular opinion, but in a area that could (see: last 2 winters lol) have snow several months of the year, I just don't think surface level is a great idea for a multitude of reasons. For one thing, it's annoying as a commuter to have to change to buses/streetcars numerous times depending on where you are going. I would rather have great subway service and some buses, than mediocre everything. And without surface transit, there might be more room for bike lanes...like real cities have. Surface transit is a band-aid solution.
It's the only solution for the areas. Population density dictates the transit required and we don't have funds to start building more 50% capacity subway lines in areas like Black Creek. This isn't 1920 when cities could easily expand subways at low cost, and our subway expansions are going to be slow and expensive. A 'bandage solution' that last 50 years is better than not building anything, or spending the same resources to reach less than a tenth of the population. The city is right to be focusing on helping this communities right away, instead of sitting on their hands, or catering to annoyed commuters.
I completely don't understand this. Subways will not fix this. If your going to change directions at some point, you're going to have to transfer. It doesn't matter if you're transferring subway to subway, subway to streetcar, bus to subway, or any combination. Having more subways around won't change transferring and doesn't make it any more, or less annoying. How is getting off the subway at St Clair West station and boarding the streetcar, which is in the station, any different than switching from YUS to Bloor-Danforth line at Yonge and Bloor?
Changing more than twice is annoying but I don't know of any surface routes that require you to change when going in a straight line.
But in my experience surface transit helps local businesses by helping people, especially the disabled and elderly, get exactly to where they need. People claim there was a st clair disaster, when in reality I've witnessed the area gentrify from mad ghetto and impossible to access in the 80s and 90s (and only mcdonalds being the salvation during cold winters waiting for that rare streetcar) to speedy and easy to do errands on.
Surface transit is also never in competition with bikes, the less people driving the more space for bikers.
But in my experience surface transit helps local businesses by helping people, especially the disabled and elderly, get exactly to where they need. People claim there was a st clair disaster, when in reality I've witnessed the area gentrify from mad ghetto and impossible to access in the 80s and 90s (and only mcdonalds being the salvation during cold winters waiting for that rare streetcar) to speedy and easy to do errands on.
Surface transit is also never in competition with bikes, the less people driving the more space for bikers.
St Clair 'disaster' was the construction itself. They didn't communicate at all with the local businesses, or residents. This is not avoidable with subway construction either, which will also tie up roads for pipe work, tunnelling, etc. It's funny that people think they could escape the construction aspect if they just put it underground. The TTC and the people it contracts work out to are terrible at communicating project status, and are not upfront at all with delays. That's the problem.
And it's also a reason that Ford will have some leverage in the upcoming election; Eglinton LRT construction will really be picking up and it will be causing a headache for people living in the area during election time. A perfect time for Ford to wave his finger around and say 'SEE, I TRIED TO PREVENT THIS'. No matter how stupid it is pretending that his fully underground project would have changed anything.
But on St Clair, yes,(and Roncesvalles which suffered a similar fate) is mostly positive.
I think MetroLinx is really going to be pushing Presto on these lines hard as it's a way to get the payment system into the city over the wishes of the reluctant TTC. I'm not the biggest fan of Presto but damn if a single payment system isn't necessary and Presto does the job. Confusing as hell to refill though.
I really doubt that these new lines will have the Red/Silver TTC thing going on now, it's too bad I really like the TTC brand and look if nothing else.
I really doubt that these new lines will have the Red/Silver TTC thing going on now, it's too bad I really like the TTC brand and look if nothing else.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...ir-request-at-family-firm-city-said-he-didn-t
Worst mayor ever?
Its his own personal piggy bank
With the way this thing is going, there has to be a hookers and coke story somewhere. This guy is unbelievable.
Worst mayor ever?
Its his own personal piggy bank
With the way this thing is going, there has to be a hookers and coke story somewhere. This guy is unbelievable.
BladeWorker
Member
I suspect that the Presto angle is at least part of the reason that Metrolinx basically told the TTC to shove it.
Part of me was hoping that GO would be the system operator. At least that would provide a chance of system integration.
The Elite
BOSS
This seems like a clusterfuck waiting to happen.
BigJonsson
Member
Maybe they can create a system similar to London, England's pay system
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...ir-request-at-family-firm-city-said-he-didn-t
Worst mayor ever?
Its his own personal piggy bank
With the way this thing is going, there has to be a hookers and coke story somewhere. This guy is unbelievable.
When I become Mayor I am going to request that a pothole outside my apartment be fixed RIGHT NOW!
Good points for sure.
But if we are putting some of the LRT underground anyways then why not subway?
Look on the bright side, maybe this is the first step to the dismantling of the TTC in it's current form and the formation of one regional system.
Probably because it costs waaay more and requires more time to build?
I'm hoping the TTC incorporates the Presto pass system soon. It would be nice to get a slightly discounted fare if I use the TTC and GO Train (as I do occasionally).
Edit:
I never thought of that. Could also be the opposite however.
I will vote for this. Having a single system would be amazing for tourists. I guess union would be the major benefit of having Presto on the TTC.
But at what cost? The GO rates are constantly going up.
Because running subways at grade requires them to be completely segregated from the public because of the live third rail. Building half of it as a subway and half as a surface LRT would require a transfer when traveling in one direction and would be more expensive.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hahahahahahaha. Fucking Toronto.
That said, if the future is a system like Tokyo's, with massive coverage across the GTA and several private operators, I'd be okay with that.
Not to mention that Subway cars do not need to meet regulations for side impact the way LRT cars do.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, given that most cities have moved away from the subway as an actual option because of the capital expense, LRTs are really the only way to go. And this is what people were arguing like 5-10 years ago when they made that half-assed Shepard line.
Seriously, the Sheppard line is the best argument against plonking down subways in the less dense areas of the city. The subways being built to Thornhill and Vaughn will have similar under-utilization problems.
It'll be great for York U students who don't want to live in that area.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wouldn't it be more useful if it went all the east to Scarborough Town or south back down to the Bloor-Danforth line?It's okay, we Sheppard line riders are used to getting pooped on
Either of those would have been possible for the same cost if they went LRT instead of subway.
BigJonsson
Member
It's okay, we Sheppard line riders are used to getting pooped on
I lived on Don Mills and Sheppard for two years
. I enjoyed the subway but damn Bayview, Bessarion and Leslie barely need a bus let alone a subway.BigJon, There's a ton of condos now on Sheppard too, most of the stations are still ghost towns.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Probably because people up north are more willing to drive than to take the subway.I lived on Don Mills and Sheppard for two years
BigJon, There's a ton of condos now on Sheppard too, most of the stations are still ghost towns.
BigJonsson
Member
I lived on Don Mills and Sheppard for two years
BigJon, There's a ton of condos now on Sheppard too, most of the stations are still ghost towns.
When people realize they can leave their car at the station at Interchange and take one train all the way downtown they will love it and not feel the need to drive everywhere like they usually do
It's very much a car first area, crazy wide roads, large malls with huge parking lots etc. These things discourage every mode of transport other than the car.
Seriously Sheppard is wide enough to accommodate a landing strip right down the middle of it.
The 'build it and they will come' idea has been tested with the Sheppard line and really it didn't work. Extending the subway to York U is a great idea. But everything else then that is a Sobara pet project much like Sheppard was a Lastman pet project.
That money could have been used to start laying a web of transit right across the GTA, not just two lines poking north.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Imagine how mad drivers would be if the city took two lanes on Sheppard and decided to make a dedicated LRT line. "War on drivers!!!!!!" lol
I suppose when Toronto becomes impossible to drive in, we'll finally have some real solutions. I expect that'll only take 50 years or so.
(Or maybe Toronto will finally get an Olympics. That'll happen, right?!)
Been extremely busy. Will do one for October. Mid-OCtober probably. Will post the thread in a few days to give everyone time to prepare etc.
Mid-October? Sounds like we should have the meetup at the Pokemon VGC regionals. Bwoohoho.
I'm only going for the Streetpasses I swear
Well, the great thing about Sheppard (for me) is that Don Mills stn is right off the 404. Makes it extremely convenient to get to from the north.
I live north of the eastern terminus of the Scarborough RT, but it's quicker for me to drive west to the 404 and then head to Don Mills rather than drive down to the SRT.
It's unfortunate that all three stations between Don Mills and Yonge are ghost towns, but I'd actually love if the Sheppard line were extended to Downsview. That would save me a ton of time when I head downtown, as my usual destination is Queens Park.
(I don't really have an opinion on whether they should had gone the LRT route instead of subway, that would probably be fine too. But even as-is, the Sheppard line is very handy for those of us who live north of Toronto, particularly east of the 404.)
Definitely should have been an LRT given what we know now and as others have said, it's an example about building based on current populations and not projections.
Obviously it would have been a better line if it connected to Town Centre, but I don't believe it would have boosted ridership on the line that much.
At least they will have the LRT eventually. It's a shame we lost the Waterfront and Jane LRTs, because the neighbourhoods (especially with the condos going up around the Humber) could have used quicker access to downtown, providing some relief / alternative to the 501 / 504.