That's not how evolution works. My God, I need to step away from this thread.
That sounds like a clear joke.
That's not how evolution works. My God, I need to step away from this thread.
I would like to see the positions women would fill in some of the more physical sports. The NHL would be a marvel to watch under your proposal.I'm not joking. Basketball, track, etc.. These are all luxuries, games, entertainment. Breakdown all the barriers and setup quotas to insure diversity.
tl;dr "i'm not transphobic, i'm just stating the biologically objective, like we did with the gays, women, and minorities for hundreds of years"
This is a tricky one. In this case, they are just kids so I wouldn't cause a fuss myself if my kid was a loser in this race. It's not exactly professional level so why upset people?
The male/female sports distinction ought to be dissolved anyway.
It is kind of disconcerting to see people having no issue pointing out the difference in attributes between men and women, and freaking out over it being pointed out in different ethnic groups.
Both are pronounced, and both are worth bringing up. He is completely correct that certain ethnic groups dominate certain athletic competitions. You can't deny it.
I'm not saying every black person is built like that. I'm saying that every black person on average is genetically more physically capable. There is nothing wrong with it and it isn't racism.
The blatant unfairness of a trans girl getting third place will destroy american sports!
What biological rule is this?I'm sure if men and women competed on the same field over 100s of years, those differences would begin to fade.
This is your thread, HolyBaikal. This thread was made for you.
This is your thread, HolyBaikal. This thread was made for you.
I'll admit, biology is not my strong suitWhat biological rule is this?
That's seriously not how evolution works.
What biological rule is this?
*Depending their testosterone level is below a certain limit, which sounds like a sensible middle ground to me.It is even worst because we already live in a world where the OLYMPIC GUIDELINES state that trans people are totaly ok to compete.
Good point. It does make me wonder though if there's also less quality coaching and training on the women's side in that case. I just find it hard to believe that the gap is actually a lot bigger than i originally would have believed.
That's a good read, thanks for the insight!
It is even worst because we already live in a world where the OLYMPIC GUIDELINES state that trans people are totaly ok to compete.
Do you realize how large the difference between a male vs female runner is? Or how competitive high school track can be?Run faster.
It doesn't matter if a horse entered the race your time is what it is. Similar arguements have always been made about rural vs. city schools or public vs. private. There's always going to be unfairness and the ultimate lesson of high school athletics is growing and developing as a person, not winning or losing.
Run faster.
*Depending their testosterone level is below a certain limit, which sounds like a sensible middle ground to me.
This was the state final and apparently her first year of competing.She finished fifth and third? There's certainly a debate to be had about whether transitioned girls have physical advantages, but in this case at least, it doesn't seem to have made a significant difference, at least not one where she was able to win outright even once. If patterns develop over long periods of trans girls demonstrating consistently superior results to cis girls, that's one thing, but this seems more like parents finding an excuse to get pissy over their children not making the mark.
Do you realize how large the difference between a male vs female runner is? Or how competitive high school track can be?
Good point. It does make me wonder though if there's also less quality coaching and training on the women's side in that case. I just find it hard to believe that the gap is actually a lot bigger than i originally would have believed.
That's a good read, thanks for the insight!
With the caveat of undergoing HRT for a certain amount of time, correct?
Do we know if this girl has been undergoing HRT? If so then she should be able to compete no questions asked. If not then I don't see how this argument about Olympic regulations holds any water.
I'm not against transgenders or anything but biologically transgender persons has both advantages/disadvantages when it comes to atlethism and it's not fair.
Can we stop pretending 3rd place is some scrub tier placement? 3rd place is recognized in track and field.
At least you admit it's blatantly unfair. That is a start.
I'm not against transgenders or anything but biologically transgender persons has both advantages/disadvantages when it comes to atlethism and it's not fair.
Yeah, the transgender teen would have an advantage over the other contestants. That isn't to say that automatically means they'll always become first, but it's still going to be there. When it comes to physical sports and competitions, transgender M->F shouldn't be in the female bracket.
Point is, other girls -who we are assuming are cis- beat her.
Point is, other girls -who we are assuming are cis- beat her.
Once they have fully transitioned I don't think they would have too much of an advantage. You can't change bone structure though but I'm not sure what advantage that would give in a running competitionYeah, the transgender teen would have an advantage over the other contestants. That isn't to say that automatically means they'll always become first, but it's still going to be there. When it comes to physical sports and competitions, transgender M->F shouldn't be in the female bracket.
That's the wrong point.
This is your thread, HolyBaikal. This thread was made for you.
Well of course there will be other girls faster than her.
testosterone is a huge competitive advantage. HRT erases that.
And yet if she were competing with males, she wouldn't have been competing at states at all.In this case, not a big enough difference to even win first.
Are we supposed to make concessions for runners at larger schools placing in the middle where if they ran at a smaller school they would be towards the top?
That's like saying it doesn't matter that athlete X was doping because she finished third place.I think it's a pretty right one.
Turns out that people who lost to her aren't good enough, and people who beat her are better.
Then shouldn't you be able to handpick any black athlete at random in the continent of Africa and have them smoke the fastest white athlete?
You can't look at a distinct, geographically isolated population of people and project that across an entire race. Black Caribbean islanders are as different from Black Kenyans as Black Ghanians are from Western Europeans. Race is social. We find it more convenient to group people by outward physical characteristics because it's easy, but genetics don't work that way.
The difference between male vs female runners is so much more pronounced than any sort of advantage being black may give you, it's seriously not even worth bringing up
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hold on to your butts
we just have people run time trials and compete in classes based off the average of their best 3 times
What about the characteristics that were already affected by test in the first place?
They don't completely go away.
Run faster.
It doesn't matter if a horse entered the race your time is what it is. Similar arguements have always been made about rural vs. city schools or public vs. private. There's always going to be unfairness and the ultimate lesson of high school athletics is growing and developing as a person, not winning or losing.
Ok? I'm not arguing that point, just that the argument is unecessary and uselessBut where do black people in the rest of the western world come from? They either come from the Caribbeans (which broke off from Africa in prehistoric times) or from Africa itself.
Their environment and chance has given them a physical genetic advantage which helps them in running sports. It is beyond clear if you just look at short distance track events or long distance track events. It is dominated by black people. Why are you getting upset by this? It is biological fact. It's the same biological fact that white people find it much easier to digest lactose than those of other races because of the environment they have lived in.
I study biology at university and I've studied evolutionary traits and advantages for almost 3 years now, I'm just telling you stuff that was actually part of my course.
Yes it is but there is still a distinct advantage in running sports for black people than other races and it's no surprise that they dominate in certain track events because of it. There is nothing wrong with that. It's just genetics.
I'm not against transgenders or anything