If you say his name 2 more times his spirit gets you tangled up in a ridiculous debate.Holy Baikal Logic.
If you say his name 2 more times his spirit gets you tangled up in a ridiculous debate.Holy Baikal Logic.
You'd kill women's sports outside of ultra endurance running, where women show less gaps in performance.
So let's take basketball. Your idea is implemented. The best of the best means that every roster is filled with all men. Women either find another profession, or someone starts a women's league so they can at least compete and maybe make a career out of it. We're back to where we started.
She had such an advantage that she lost.
ADVANTAGE?
She won a bronze! Is a Bronze that scared to you?
It would kill male and women's sports, wouldn't it? I'm just not keen on the idea of women having a competition ceiling of their own gender because of the assumption too few would rise to the occasion in mixed sports. But I don't know, maybe it wouldn't be feasible.
She had such an advantage that she lost.
It would kill male and women's sports, wouldn't it? I'm just not keen on the idea of women having a competition ceiling of their own gender because of the assumption too few would rise to the occasion in mixed sports. But I don't know, maybe it wouldn't be feasible.
This is nonsense. I'm all for equality but what you're suggesting is both unfair and likely dangerous.The way you fix this is to get rid of all gender specific sports. Let everyone compete as equals and whoever wins, wins.
Bathroom-equality advocates want people to use whatever bathroom they feel more comfortable in, but I'd be interested in knowing whether they want athletes to compete against their preferred gender as well. I'd be for that but it raises so many challenges. If a female athlete transitioned to being a male, he would likely have a really tough time competing with other "original" males, so I don't see how he'd be comfortable with it. Isn't testosterone part of the transition process? How would that affect drug-testing policies?
Edit - OK bunch of posts since I started writing this, so someone may have answered already.
So this transgender girl wasn't amazing enough to beat everyone, but that doesn't touch on the broader point - generally speaking would a transgender male->female be at an unfair physical advantage in some sports?
Except they aren't. There's a reason there aren't many 5'6'' male basketball players.
Yes men are better at sports. But these are not men, these are women born with the genetic advantage of having male features, why should they be excluded from the sport?
why would it destroy male sports? The sport would still be ere, it'd just be all males competing at high levels, with maybe the odd women here and there. Women wouldn't be able to compete with most pro-athletes, I mean, there's a reason there's a distinction right now.It would kill male and women's sports, wouldn't it? I'm just not keen on the idea of women having a competition ceiling of their own gender because of the assumption too few would rise to the occasion in mixed sports. But I don't know, maybe it wouldn't be feasible.
I'll be honest I'm not sure how this works with things like hormone treatments and what not. Wouldn't that offset the "natural" edge in strength or whatever that men normally have?
It would kill male and women's sports, wouldn't it? I'm just not keen on the idea of women having a competition ceiling of their own gender because of the assumption too few would rise to the occasion in mixed sports. But I don't know, maybe it wouldn't be feasible.
It would kill male and women's sports, wouldn't it? I'm just not keen on the idea of women having a competition ceiling of their own gender because of the assumption too few would rise to the occasion in mixed sports. But I don't know, maybe it wouldn't be feasible.
I suppose.
I don't think that's a particularly compelling argument though. If you're an athlete and you fail a drugs test, saying, "well I only came in third, so I didn't gain an advantage" isn't going to get you very far (and is very clearly logically fallacious).
why would it destroy male sports? The sport would still be ere, it'd just be all males competing at high levels, with maybe the odd women here and there. Women wouldn't be able to compete with most pro-athletes, I mean, there's a reason there's a distinction right now.
Well it might not kill them but again, men would probably dominate in certain sports to the point women are barely there. Hell even watching something like Ninja Warrior on TV show's that men tend to have a serious advantage over the women because of upper body strength. Just finishing the first course is usually something like an 80/20 or 70/30 split in favor of men and sometimes no women finish at all while several men do. They might not disappear but they might be shoved into a corner so to speak.
Do they allow transgender men to compete in women's sports at the college level?
I should point out that DNA already gives people an inherit advantage in sports without including transgender individuals.
But it doesn't eliminate it. I can definitely see how this type of situation can annoy someone.
Uhh, it's a state level track meet. Where do you think athletes start? Winsplacements can lead to scholarships.
Her placement doesnt seem to be the issue, moreso her involvement.
It's my understanding that the m-->f hormone therapy diminishes the physical advantages
I personally believe it depends on various factors.
What age did she transition? Was she an athlete before the transition?
If Caitlin Jenner had transitioned at the peak of her athletic career, she'd probably have an advantage over cis female athletes, but, if a teenage kid transitioned at an early age, it's less likely that she'd have an advantage vs other teenage athletes of her age regardless of their gender, finally, a teen that transitioned early in life but wasn't an athlete before transitioning would likely be in disadvantage.
I could see it working big for some sports, but male vs female boxing? No way.
This is what already happens, just on a generational level. Opportunity + genetics is what takes the gold. You can only make the case for personal effort up to a certain level of competitiveness.Hell, just draw names and that person wins the gold medal.
Yup it's not professional doesn't mean it's not important . Very strange question to address obviously the argument doesn't matter for transgender competing in men's no one should worry about that but in female events can def see how some would object . Complex issue .
How about 'who cares because its only a game?' I'm more appalled by how serious parents (well, literally anyone) takes sports. Let the girl stay on the track team. The only thing that is important for me, when considering sports, is the camaraderie/teamwork aspects, which aren't affected at all.
If she hadn't placed in a position to win a medal, not one of these parents would have cared. These parents can fuck right off. She placed 5th in one race and 3rd in the other, so clearly she's not dominating.
Let's flip the discussion: What about female to male transgender persons? They can't compete with women because they're essentially doping on testosterone.
But it doesn't eliminate it. I can definitely see how this type of situation can annoy someone.
Uhh, it's a state level track meet. Where do you think athletes start? Wins\placements can lead to scholarships.
It isn't particularly fair, I mean look at Caitlyn Jenner, if she had transitioned in her teens you would have a gold medal mens caliber athlete competing with women.
Do baby and toddles usually transition? At the earliest the age is most likely going to be 12-13 and beyond, isn't it?. You're also not all that likely to start transitioning later on in life and than attempt to switch gender divisions in professional or amateur sports.
And I'm 100% positive Ronda Rousey would demolish some dudes in her weight class in UFC (maybe not now since her spirit seems to be broken over that 1 loss... which sucks).
People mention treatment or hormones. But not every transgender is on medication, right?
You can be transgender without taking meds? I thought it was more your identity than what you have done? Or am I off?
How about 'who cares because its only a game?' I'm more appalled by how serious parents (well, literally anyone) takes sports. Let the girl stay on the track team. The only thing that is important for me, when considering sports, is the camaraderie/teamwork aspects, which aren't affected at all.
Yes men are better at sports. But these are not men, these are women born with the genetic advantage of having male features, why should they be excluded from the sport?
Maybe they should remove the male/female distinction in sports, and instead divide it between those who've gone through testosterone-induced changes, and those who haven't? Reframing it this way would also benefit gender neutral athletes.
Keep the two separate brackets, but don’t call them “male” and “female”.
The male/female sports distinction ought to be dissolved anyway.
Well they haven't done it for a long time (this summer will be the first) so it's hard to say. But I believe it's the best possible way without excluding trans people all together or making them participate in the other gender's category.Is this actually how they do things? I never knew! Is it an effective way to determine whether or not you can compete with women?
Thanks!
Hormone testing is literally just a blood (sometimes urine) test, takes 5 minutes. I don't see why that wouldn't be possible at high school level.As point out the Olympic way may be the closest way to solve it, by testing testosterone, but is that feasible at a grade school level?
The male/female sports distinction ought to be dissolved anyway.
We have years upon years of statistical data for most sports.
Wouldn't it be possible to have both gender compete together and apply a gender statistical correction to the athlete's performance to have a final ranking?
For example:
A man runs the 100m in 10.2 seconds
A woman runs the 100m in 10.7 seconds
Apply a modifier to the woman's time (which would be decided by analyzing the differential between men and women in the last 50 years of Olympics)
Man = 10.2
Woman 10.7 * 0.95 = 10.165
The woman gets the gold because her performance was better all things considered.
After that, you could start working on what the modifier would be for trans.
And I'm 100% positive Ronda Rousey would demolish some dudes in her weight class in UFC (maybe not now since her spirit seems to be broken over that 1 loss... which sucks).