chillybright
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Whelp if true. Farmer and snake and all.
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Truck plows into market in Berlin killing 12, injuring 48. Suspect shot dead in Italy
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Whelp if true. Farmer and snake and all.
Psamtik. Death's Demise
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Pretty sure ethnic cleansing isn't the answer, but that's what "the other guys" are going to give you.
Misread the chain. ISIS does in fact kill anyone not ISIS, as we've seen in Iraq.
There is no proper vetting without shut (in the sense of tightly secured and controlled) outer EU borders, because lots of people will still come illegally. But the EU is still struggling with that.
darkhunger
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They do care. They are Wahhabi Sunnis and even the Muslims that they kill tend to be Shiites and non-Arabs. The notion that they kill blindly is incorrect.
Yes, this should have happened this year already.
This is pretty unsettling.
Audioboxer
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What are you talking about? I was addressing ISIS not every single Muslim.
No one is saying it's easy to do, but efforts do have to be made. I understand as a country not surrounded by seas of water it can be harder to truly police your borders, but the government has to make a balanced effort to at least catch some of these people during vetting. Complete failure to even try is potentially leading to loss of life. There is other sideshoot debates on immigration and numbers anyway, as in can your economy and medical services cope with millions of people extra at a time. It's not an inhumane discussion, simply a realistic one. The balance of trying to help refugees should be shared equally by many countries, not just a few trying to do it all.
CheDominik
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There is not one solution that fixes all problems. But not letting in hundreds of thousands without papers or taking biometrical data, not knowing where in the country they are would have been a start. Or deporting already rejected asylum seekers.
The whole situation has been a colossal fuck up by everyone involved. It's not really a surprise that right wing parties have gaines so much support-
So it's either open door policies or ethnic cleansing? This is a very limited worldview to have. (While at the same time managing to relativize actual ethnic cleansings.)
Trump is not the answer to our problems. He is just a symptom.
Morrigan Stark
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lol, Christmas hasn't been "Christian" in decades (maybe forever).
ClosingADoor
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Paris, Brussels, Berlin. Feels like we are checking off a list and wondering who will be next.
Terrible events. I hope the wounded pull through and not more people die today.
I hope we can get clarification on the event and perpetrator soon, so we don't get too much speculation. That is not helping anyone at the moment, as does the useless Trump talk.
Terrible events. I hope the wounded pull through and not more people die today.
I hope we can get clarification on the event and perpetrator soon, so we don't get too much speculation. That is not helping anyone at the moment, as does the useless Trump talk.
While the connection with the actual religious aspect becomes more muddled, it is a christian holiday that is usually not celebrated by people of non-christian faith.
It's just straight up terrorism. They'll use whatever reason to carry out attacks or kill anyone who doesn't adhere to their warped view of a religion they don't truly practice.
You can be gay, straight, black white, asian, hispanic, atheist, christian, Buddhist whatever. They'll kill you.
Maybe this particular attack could have been an attack on Christmas or Christians, but there are also plenty of people who aren't christian that celebrate Christmas. It could have been as simple as a lot of people in a certain place and that's why he picked this.
Psamtik. Death's Demise
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Clearly not, but that's what we'll get, sooner or later, with Trump and the new European fascism.
gutter_trash
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It's an attack against Western society.
Semantics about the origin of Christmas is besides the point.
It's killing in the name of religion. Are you being serious?
I'm too tired to argue this again. Right-Wing populist parties getting into power (in most european countries in coalition governments with other parties) is not some "new european facism" that leads to ethnic cleansing. Or please show me the ethnic cleansings in Poland, Hungary, Finland, Greece amongst other parties where right-wing populist parties are part of the government. The only thing that's gonna happen is that either they're gonna fail and get voted out again quickly or do a moderate job, put stricter immigration rules and then get voted out again when things calmed down, and vice versa. You seem to be under the impression that only left-wing and center parties are allowed to govern and everything else -> ethnic cleansing.
actually the biggest "religion" in germany would be atheism and germany is propably one of the most unreligious countries in the world behind the scandinavian countries. Many people only own a religion on their papers.
Following the taxes the three biggest groups are: 28 million atheists, 25 million roman catholic, 25 million of lutheran church.
What a fuck up (if true) and it'll only further reinforce far right sentiments.
michaelius
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Center Right in name only - in countries like Germany or France you can only vote for different shades of socialism and that is one of major factors behind the rise of extreme right which takes votes that would normally come to conservatist parties if they existed.
So Christian is the biggest?
And why exactly would you divide the christians into two groups?
I said they aren't targeting Christians only and that they'll kill whomever. Apparently, that's wrong.
50 million is more than 25 million
Don't be ridiculous. Christmas is very obviously seen around the world as a Christian holiday.
So Christianity is by far the largest group confirmed.
Good post.
CheDominik
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"Ohne Bekenntnis" doesn't mean atheist by the way.
ClosingADoor
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Those far right parties all have socialist policies also, some even more so then the parties in government now. Their votes come from one thing: Immigration and the problems surrounding it.
Lol.
Audioboxer
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Really? You got a source? Because if so I want to say good guy Germany
I thought it was only the master Scandanavian countries that largely reject religion and favour science/reason.Cue my disclaimer though for the masses as much as I dislike religion, I support the principal of freedom of religion. You may believe in just about anything you want privately as long as you do not think you're going to use it to discriminate, or enact violence. I'm pretty much a classic liberal in that sense, although I will vehemently defend science and reasoning around many subjects such as evolution and climate change. It's sad in 2016 facts still have to be classed as "opinions" not to hurt peoples feelings.
Because they are two different churches with different teachings and different saints and different believes and ofc strictly seperated physical churches.
okay thats a good point. The atheist number includes official atheists and "i don't care" people
Reckheim
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http://nypost.com/2016/12/19/isis-claims-responsibility-for-berlin-christmas-market-attack/
Isis takes responsibility
Edit: according to poster below this is probably not true.
Isis takes responsibility
Edit: according to poster below this is probably not true.
paperboywriter
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you seem informed about german/ european politics. tell me more
Topic was "attack on christian holiday". Both are christian(25million each plus other christians) and both celebrate christmas.
No, they haven't.
No you said they don't care about your religion. You used them attacking muslims as proof. That is asinine.
chillybright
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What you are claiming has yet to happen, and people are fucking dying under current system.
mario_O
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I thought they said he was from Pakistan?
Diprosalic
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Merkel that old commie.
It's a dodgy claim at least. It's based on the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Army twitter account, which just states this:
https://twitter.com/pmu_english/status/810930302482792449
This was at 10.30pm, and Amaq, ISIS' official PR agency, hasn't even claimed responsibility.
ClosingADoor
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There are people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and more coming in with the refugee streams, not just Syrians.
If the report about him being one are true. Nothing confirmed as of now.
TTOOLL
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Great post.
Really? You got a source? Because if so I want to say good guy Germany
The hell? I'd say most people in (western) europe don't care much about religion. And even those who do 'favour science/reason'.
Reckheim
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Agh, fair enough ... I'll edit my post.
Do they know or care what religion the people among the dead are? Maybe my previous was worded badly, but I do feel that part of the Trump statement is terrible as imo it plays as if Christians are the only targets.
Well there are plenty of non Christians that have been murdered by this terror group as well.
A lot of the people that came in 2015 were not syrians, for example in austria the biggest group was Afghans. Also a lot of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and North-african migrants.
Also see post below and wait for better confirmation
nothing is confirmed right now, we don't even know what country the driver and passenger in the truck are from. Their sources might be right or not, but there hasn't been an official statement
Audioboxer
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I mis-read his post slightly. I was thinking he was trying to say Germany is an Atheist/non-religious majority. This is rare, even in Europe. Most countries still tip towards a Christian/Catholic majority. When you add those two branches of Christianity together it makes it the majority in Germany, which is what I originally posted. As I said I think its predominantly the Scandinavian countries that have had the highest populations of non-believers for a while now.
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