Driver was arrested apparently.
Police are also investigating a suspicious item right now somewhere else but I doubt it's anything, just them being cautious.
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Truck plows into market in Berlin killing 12, injuring 48. Suspect shot dead in Italy
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Driver was arrested apparently.
Police are also investigating a suspicious item right now somewhere else but I doubt it's anything, just them being cautious.
German media(not confirmed by police) says the polish victim might be the person originally driving the truck.
aygomyownroad
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Yeah that was my thought. I was expecting Syrian. Pakistan is more linked to the Taliban.
Isis have been doing these attacks over Europe for a while, but it never has been someone from Pakistan.
The kidnapped driver line seems to be growing more legs now.
Yeah, same here. But it seems to be quite probable now.
yep remote access to the info of tachograph and beyond. I know it exists.
Now the valid question do they have such a system? I would guess they probably have to claim those things or at least a tachograph with remote capabilities
superdeluxe
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ISIS is all over the world, I want to say the ISIS group in Indonesia is one of the largest in the world.
Could easily be a Pakistani national who was extrmised in europe where Isis clearly have a presnece.
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The guy in Nice wasn't Isis, he had just pledged allegiance. A significant difference.
Squirrel Killer
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What's prompting you to question if a commercial transportation company has a common commercial transportation monitoring platform?
How is that over the top?
Can you explain what the difference is?
Ennosuke
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It seems to be like it. Crazy shit, but something I would expect from a terrorist.
the trucking companies from my area, that usually don't invest on those babies. If they even have a remote tachograph it's a miracle. Usually you see the poor administrative going truck to truck to download the info of the latest trip
coordinated attack versus single perpetrator
They weren't dispatched by ISIS to do the attack.
therealist
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Sadly this will only CONFIRM people's biases. Next time an incident in Germany happens more people will instantly believe that it's Islamic terrorism, and so on.
It feels good to make guesses off of limited information and turn out right. Their biases just keep getting reinforced more and more.
It feels good to make guesses off of limited information and turn out right. Their biases just keep getting reinforced more and more.
If this is what the poster meant, I can easily agree with that.
I was under the impression that it was being implied that the two groups had different motivations.
It's important to acknowledge the prevalence of Islamic terrorism and be realistic about its frequency throughout the world.
You seem more concerned about the image of Islam vs the victims.
Squirrel Killer
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What is "my area" and how do you have such keen insight to their inner workings? I mean, if you're a truck dispatcher in Prague, that's one thing, but if your brother's best friend told him what he read about trucks in Peru, that's another.
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He wasn't in contact with Isis, he wasn't receiving direct orders from them or funded by them. He was simply inspired by them. They called on people to carry out attacks like this and he did. It is giving them too much credit I suppose.
I don't know, maybe it's not for you, but it's a big difference for me. It's not like the Bataclan attackers, who were in Syria, trained by and funded by Isis.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't that be seen as worse that he wasn't brought up on it?
The fact that people can guess and reliably be right is the real problem.
My area it's Portugal, I'm not exactly away from civilization. I befriend people on trucking companies and that did trucking. Even my grandfather was a trucker, he retired some 20 years ago, the tachographs were analog on those days, I know that.
therealist
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because I believe the image of Islam = bad perpetuates and increases the chances that there will be more terrorists and more future victims. It goes full circle for me.
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Worse in one way, and better in another.
I mean yeah, they have sent people to Europe, but they are very much on the back foot at the moment, and it shows other than a couple of attacks they aren't organised or capable enough to plan and carry out the number of attacks they want here. Worse because their cuntish ideology is enough to inspire random nutjobs to commit horrific acts of violence in their name.
So we should just put out heads in the sand and pretend this isn't a near weekly issue?
There's a difference between generalizing Islam and recognizing its danger when radicalized.
To deny the dangers of radical Islam and it's potential for violence is wrong. We should be honest about this and it should be criticized. This stuff comes straight from the doctrine itself.
I mean with little evidence going around it usually makes sense to go with the more straightforward theories, but seems like evidence is starting to support it.
https://twitter.com/PolizeiBerlin_E
the police suspects that the truck was stolen from a construction site in Poland
the police suspects that the truck was stolen from a construction site in Poland
What country has been more charitable to the Muslim people than Germany? You can't pin this on the German nation's perception of Islam. This seems to keep happening regardless of how generous Europe has been to the Muslim community.
therealist
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I don't think that is the right thing to do, but I do think acknowledging that spreading hate actually makes radical Islam more popular.
It's like a virus, sometimes the more you attack it directly, the stronger it gets. You need to combat a virus first by figuring out how and why it spreads.
And the owner's cousin who was lost somewhere in the Middle East Germany? What happened with him?
I guess I just draw a distinction between hate and being honest about what seems to be a strong trend. People are individuals and need to be respected as such. But that doesn't mean we throw out systemic problems or ignore them.
moral of the story always question everything
biggersmaller
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This fucking year. Christmas in Berlin sounds lovely and my heart goes out to the victims.
Yes. THAT is what is what's sad in all of this. Constantly reinforced Islamic biases is the real tragedy. Realize, the vast majority of people that can correctly "guess" a tragedy is the result of Islam hardly feel fucking good about it.
Yes. THAT is what is what's sad in all of this. Constantly reinforced Islamic biases is the real tragedy. Realize, the vast majority of people that can correctly "guess" a tragedy is the result of Islam hardly feel fucking good about it.
therealist
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There are many people who speak against Islam in an intelligent manner which I respect.
The problem is the ignorant fools who preach hate against Muslims and use incidents like this to justify racist and/or bigoted agendas. There are ignorant fools on both ends of the spectrum, but on balance, I will always side with the ignorant fools who preach love not hate.
I like how they went to this from the earlier tweet saying "the truck on Breitscheidplatz has a polish registration plate. There are steel girders loaded on the truck bed.". Yet the trucks owner is all over Polish media describing a completely different story... classy!
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Actually, on the face of things, this doesn't seem to be the case. Countries that have suppressed Islam and Islamism in the 20th century, like Turkey, Indonesia, or the ex-Communist stans, have reduced the power of radical Islam in those countries. By contrast, nations which have taken a laissez-faire approach to the religion (or given it varying degrees of state sponsorship) like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan have become hotbeds of extremism.
Audioboxer
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As your username would suggest why not just side with the facts, evidence and reality and ignore all the ignorance? It does do damage on both sides, both to discriminate unfairly, and also to hand-wave the reality we live in. In a different time and a different place, hundreds of years ago, if not at least before our lifetimes, other dominant religions might have been the ones "in the headlines" more often for atrocities. When we study history we do not act ignorant do we? We deal with the facts, events, trends and situations carved in history. Well our current times will be the history for some to study tens if not hundreds of years after we are dead.
They didn't, and I don't know why I would take their word over German authorities anyway.
People will believe it's Islamic terrorism because when something like this happens in Europe in recent times it has almost been certainly Islamic terrorism. The police/White House/media/fucking everyone are saying this is a terrorist attack too. German papers are saying the driver was Afghan or Pakistani.
A load of people are dead and a shit load more are injured and you're coming out with this nonsense. Get your priorities in order.
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