My main problem with this season was that they all had lines wich Rust had. Biggest difference was that it made sense with Rust and he could pull it off. Also there was Marty to balance it.
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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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My main problem with this season was that they all had lines wich Rust had. Biggest difference was that it made sense with Rust and he could pull it off. Also there was Marty to balance it.
borborygmus
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"Thanks to Ani, the reporter Ray beat up in the premiere has enough evidence now to take them all down,"
I totally missed that it was the same guy that Ray beat up. I felt like I'd seen him somewhere before.
I wonder why he didn't put the diamonds in his shoes. Or his underwear? He just killed a bunch of Russian mobsters and corporate dudes, can never be too careful!
Then it would have been harder for him to try to stop the bleeding with the diamonds. I think a lot of people didn't notice this additionally really dumb point:
Scrupulous
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Well his misses did have a 100k to more than enough for a fresh start.
Not for him. Thats why he was doing this.
Yeah I think that's true. Most of the finale was like that really. The outcomes are totally penciled in, and it was just a matter of getting there faster or slower.
UrbanDandy
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Indeed.
Yup, he could've walked away months ago like Jordan wanted but he felt like it wasn't enough f or them. He didn't want to be season 1 Walter White, he wanted to be season 5 Walter White.
I agree. What made Rusts' character work last season was having a foil to react to all of the nihlisitc dialogue he was spouting. It also worked because he was an outcast in a setting where those views were not considered the norm. When you have at least 3 of your main characters waxing poetic at one other it just doesn't work. The writers took the wrong thing away from last season.
BenjaminBirdie
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Then it would have been harder for him to try to stop the bleeding with the diamonds. I think a lot of people didn't notice this additionally really dumb point:
ahahahahahahahahahah how did i not notice that
Granted, this season had some serious issues. But it seems like at least half of the complaints are from people who are just not smart enough to follow along. Yes the plot was convoluted, but people are screwing up simpld stuff.
Considering he wrote every item on his list at least twice, he'd better have a shit-load of weapons.
a secret-boss
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I kinda like the season until that finale
Freedom = $1.05
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So, poking more holes into the plot
If the parents of the two kids from the 90s had these diamonds, were they loaded? Because if they had those diamonds from being a rich couple, then how did they end up in an orphanage? Wouldn't even a distant relative be willing to be their guardians so as to partake in their nicer, well to do lives?
I dunno, that part of the story was a bit hard to swallow for me but perhaps i missed a detail somewhere that makes the two kids going to an orphanage make more sense.
If the parents of the two kids from the 90s had these diamonds, were they loaded? Because if they had those diamonds from being a rich couple, then how did they end up in an orphanage? Wouldn't even a distant relative be willing to be their guardians so as to partake in their nicer, well to do lives?
I dunno, that part of the story was a bit hard to swallow for me but perhaps i missed a detail somewhere that makes the two kids going to an orphanage make more sense.
tearsintherain
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They owned a jewelry store which the cop gang robbed during the 92 riots. They obviously didn't have any relatives if they got put into foster care. We don't really know how much money or debt they had, they might have gone into a lot of debt to keep the store open and maybe the insurance didn't pay off from riots or whatever.
Casper was fucking the mom too and the daughter was his, possibly/probably the son as well.
Shit, I liked the finale. Didn't expect that much hate from the few pages I read this thread. It was an okay ending, some character choices were weird and the desert scene was great.
The bad people win and the good people die or lose. That's the way she goes. Overall an okay season.
The bad people win and the good people die or lose. That's the way she goes. Overall an okay season.
Wish that gif had the "take it from me" part of that line because she was far and away the weakest performance of the season, and it made that moment even funnier. Most people are going to use that line to dog on Vince, but I felt he did an alright job with some absolutely shitty writing.
gutterboy44
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Then it would have been harder for him to try to stop the bleeding with the diamonds. I think a lot of people didn't notice this additionally really dumb point:
He didn't try to stop the bleeding with the diamonds, he placed the diamonds in his inside pocket. The stab wound went through the pocket with the diamonds in them.
Freedom = $1.05
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yeah, but if you own a jewelry store and have millions in diamonds as part of your inventory it's pretty much implied that youre not poor and are probably doing better than the average citizen, no?
You mean other than the montage showing Tony Chessani getting elected mayor, Woodraugh's mom, ex-fiance and now born child at the dedication ceremony to his stretch of highway, McAdam's hair being long again...
I just started laughing because that was something a parody would do. Like it was, "We need the Lynn song here. Who is she singing to? Who gives a fuck, just throw it in there".
DoktorEvil
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For all we know, the jewelry store could've been a crooked front like the one Frank went to in Ep 7 to prepare for the shootout and couldn't operate like a normal shop would.
BenjaminBirdie
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Not to mention those songs had all the subtlety of the raps Will Smith used to do over the credits in his late 90s blockbusters
Alligatorjandro
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Still don't know who Stan was.
borborygmus
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"For all we know" is the phrase of the season, because we don't know anything. The key elements of the plot happened in 1992 and not only do the 4 leads know nothing about the robbery, the show also chooses not to reveal anything about it.
Freedom = $1.05
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yeah, i suppose that's a possibility as much as what i've presented.
man, what a bummer of a season. not since season 6 of Lost have i anticipated a season more and been left completely underwhelmed by it.
Wasn't Stan one of Frank's guys that was killed and had his eyes removed like Casper but only to make it seem like he was murdered by the same person. Though it was Blake who did it?
DoktorEvil
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Mainly because the season was about corruption and sex I guess?
It's fun to figure out what the plot could've been, because I actually like a story in which the bad guys won. It seems more true to life. Too bad Pizzaman bit off way more than he could chew.
Trying to fit this much of a semi-complex story into 8 episodes... what the fuck even.
Frank's stuff in the desert was by all accounts fine. Him not giving up the suit wasn't that bad from a writing standpoint in that the audience can take it that either he knew he was dead anyway from being in the middle of nowhere, that his pride once again got the better of him, or that he didn't want to give up the diamonds. However it does present an issue in that Frank's reasons aren't overly clear in that whether his downfall was supposed to be a character flaw or him thinking practically. For a show obsessed with picking apart its' characters, for the final major decision of one to be clouded in this manner was a bad choice. If this season was supposed to be a character study then Frank's final act is a reflection of the failure this season encapsulates.
Now the walking bit was well done conceptually and Vaughn did a good job in the delivery. It did drag a bit but I think it was because I was getting tired of this long assed episode.
Now the walking bit was well done conceptually and Vaughn did a good job in the delivery. It did drag a bit but I think it was because I was getting tired of this long assed episode.
Ninja Scooter
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Then it would have been harder for him to try to stop the bleeding with the diamonds. I think a lot of people didn't notice this additionally really dumb point:
Stop the bleeding with the diamonds? What show were some of you watching?
That was another amazing moment in the finale. Where right in the middle of what is supposed to be a tense scene, one of the baddies starts rambling off an info dump on how shit went down, and casually drops a bomb that retroactively turns a minor plot point into Surprise Incest (TM). Lololol.
birthday-suit
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I'm watching the last episode now. This sucks. And I liked the previous episodes.
But I don't know who anyone is. I've seen them, but I don't care about them. Like the black cop.
Ugh.
But I don't know who anyone is. I've seen them, but I don't care about them. Like the black cop.
Ugh.
I was actually just going to ask this -- so was the diamond theft just a feint to cover up that Caspere really just wanted to get rid of a woman who was carrying his illegitimate daughter? And then stealing the diamonds was a way of disguising the situation as an armed robbery gone wrong (and maybe get Burris/Dixon/Holloway on board with helping out)?
Alright finale and the last few episodes were a lot stronger than the start, but still the season as a whole was a pretty disappointing muddled mess compared to the first season. If Pizzolatto decides to do a third season hopefully he takes more time to write season 3 and sets up a writers room. That should hopefully temper some of his more eh dialogue.
Felt Vince Vaughn was a lot better in these later episodes also. Shame it took so long though.
Felt Vince Vaughn was a lot better in these later episodes also. Shame it took so long though.
Oh yea like the guy just recounts everything like he was giving up accomplices in an interrogation room. I know Ray was supposed to reassure him that Ray didn't have a wire but that scene was atrocious. He totally infodumps in the perfect manner for Ray to record a confession. Then Ray fucking fumbles the damn recorder.
I don't think he expected the Armenians from the bakery to sell him out so quickly, or even to the Mexicans, but it sure makes sense in retrospect.
I think this season was both convoluted and self-indulgent to the point that you really needed to decompress after episodes with some kind of discussion just to process it all. Repeated viewings and subtitles have been a huge help in following along, as have people pointing out the classic movie references I would have otherwise missed.
birthday-suit
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I didn't even remember the Mexicans.
Freedom = $1.05
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i didn't get the impression that Caspere was the father of both kids, just birdman's sister.
I did get the impression that Birdman very quickly processed that Caspere was not only the father of his sister but also at fault for her turning into a whore and very likely also did the dirty with her. Which, given that Birdman was about as stable as humpty dumpty atop the eiffel tower, set him off.
I did get the impression that Birdman very quickly processed that Caspere was not only the father of his sister but also at fault for her turning into a whore and very likely also did the dirty with her. Which, given that Birdman was about as stable as humpty dumpty atop the eiffel tower, set him off.
$3.5 million worth of diamonds in his coat pocket. Probably would have killed him regardless.
And a 3rd kid (Caspere's 2nd) on the way. Woman was pregnant.
BenjaminBirdie
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Are you serious with this?