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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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It's a C+ show. C+ isn't that great.
I like Game of Thrones. Season by season it's stayed strong. Breaking Bad same thing. True Detective season 1 was a really good show. The drop off is pretty severe.
It's like going from season 2 of Dexter to season 3 of Dexter.
Syph Medwes
Member
Another instance of "not bad, but not amazing" in regards to yesterday's episode. The quadruple character backstory is killing this show. Such a shame, there's no chance this comes close to season 1, the first three episodes have just been too underwhelming. It still shines through at moments, but the overall product just isn't extraordinary. Will continue to watch though. I owe them that for the perfect first season.
For me, the real interesting hook of the show -- and hopefully they mine for it in the coming episodes -- is Ani and Ray trying to figure each other out while being used by their respective police forces to take down each other down while also being told to work together to solve (in some capacity) the case. It's a really intriguing dynamic that they would have probably been able to jumpstart much earlier had they cut Woodrugh and maybe Frank.
Some say love, it is a hunger
I say love, it is a flower
And you its only seed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO59ITNCxzk
What a weird thing. I suppose it's better than regaining consciousness to "I GOT BAKING SODA!"
I say love, it is a flower
And you its only seed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO59ITNCxzk
What a weird thing. I suppose it's better than regaining consciousness to "I GOT BAKING SODA!"
Cellbomber
Member
I love that dude that's raging in the background. He yelled something like she's going to be selling yogurt on the street. Such a random but lifelike comment from a guy that's furious out of his mind.
Not really sure why people are comparing the seasons. Going in we knew nothing was going to relate to each other. It's not bad by any stretch, just different.
tearsintherain
Member
I thought Vince had swallowed the gold teeth or something and that's why he wasn't talking. Man that dude just cannot act, I wonder what this show will do to his career - help or hurt?
I enjoy the opening song, pretty much the only thing (besides Velcro's random weird outbursts) so far I am enjoying in the show. The mayors son was ridiculous.
Vaughn is fine, he was just stuck in a shitty scene. How could he have made a scenario as stupid and comical better? Punch the fatty with more feeling?
The black water guy is the walking caricature that's bringing the acting performance down. But, I guess he wasn't in Wedding Crashers, so the spotlight isn't on him.
The black water guy is the walking caricature that's bringing the acting performance down. But, I guess he wasn't in Wedding Crashers, so the spotlight isn't on him.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Good episode. Finally starting to get interesting.
Meh. He's no Walter White
Vaugn has been okay nothing surprising I guess. Certainly not as bad as the other guy. I laughed out loud at the "Dude. Chill." line.
Meh. He's no Walter White
Vaugn has been okay nothing surprising I guess. Certainly not as bad as the other guy. I laughed out loud at the "Dude. Chill." line.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
What a bummer of an episode. I thought episode 1 was decent, and I really enjoyed episode2 and thought it was gaining momentum but it kinda came crashing down this episode for me.
It's got this weird mix so far of being kinda boring and also feeling oddly cartoonish in the way the characters behaved. Rust behaving oddly was his character and he did it so well you forgave it but here it is just generally kind of bad.
Ferrell and McAdams are fine they've just been given shitty material to work with.
It's got this weird mix so far of being kinda boring and also feeling oddly cartoonish in the way the characters behaved. Rust behaving oddly was his character and he did it so well you forgave it but here it is just generally kind of bad.
Ferrell and McAdams are fine they've just been given shitty material to work with.
Hero Prinny
Member
how many episodes will this season be? Not feeling it honestly. It's not bad, but its not good either. its like, I'm watching it cause theres nothing better to watch atm. Hope next episode things start to come to come together and it gets interesting.
edit: my friend just told me its 8, my lord, almost half way through :x yikes. i hope next season is better, get the writers from season 1 or something.
edit: my friend just told me its 8, my lord, almost half way through :x yikes. i hope next season is better, get the writers from season 1 or something.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Everything about the scene was poor- the guy with the teeth, the way it was shot, the fight choreography, everyone else in the room- but if you think someone with some more believable intensity wouldn't have improved it, I dunno what to tell you. Vaughn feels wrong. I'm re-watching The Sopranos right now, and James Gandolfini did scenes like that in his sleep like every other episode.
I'm surprised more people aren't commenting on the way he was screaming at his mooks when they found the dead guy. The way his eyes were darting around lulz. It's so artificial.
Chiggs
Gold Member
This is the first time Vaughn felt really unbelievable to me. He might be a tall guy, but he has no physical intensity. I think if they kept him as slime ball who gets the other guys to do his work, they would be better off.
The fight was really bad.
I'm not as critical as the majority, and I think the episodes have been fine (only sore spot is Kelly Riley's character, which is basically fluff at the moment). They don't move at a brisk pace, but they are pretty tight and focused IMO. Even Kitsch's character (who's supposed to be apprehensive, fake macho, and some in some cases, confused) is growing on me.
I will echo the sentiments of a few pages back with regards to the sound mixing; that's why I always put on the subtitles for this and other shows.
I will echo the sentiments of a few pages back with regards to the sound mixing; that's why I always put on the subtitles for this and other shows.
We've arrived.
I dunno man, I'm still giving this S02 a fair go, but back in S01, I was glued to the screen whenever Rust comes on, and/or interacted with other characters. I also loved how each episode brought a feeling of dread, like something huge was about to happen.
I suppose I just have to come to terms that nothing will beats S01 at this stage.
I suppose I just have to come to terms that nothing will beats S01 at this stage.
Conor_Fool
Banned
Just finished the third episode and I'm feeling pretty much the same way. I can see how his looks could be perfect for the character they are trying to portray but goddamn I just can't dig the acting. That was one of the worst scenes of the season. And why the fuck wouldn't any of the fat dude's ~10+ cronies do a goddamn thing as Vince rips out like 8 of his teeth?
That being said, I don't hate this season at all. I'm still looking forward to it next Sunday. It's just disappointing so far.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
None of what's going on in the show is the actor's faults.
It's the writers and directors. It's pretty fucking bad in every other scene. It feels like two different groups are responsible for every episode. Sometimes Vince has a great scene. And then his next is just cringe-worthy.
Same applies to everyone else's characters. Like what the fuck is going on? I'm convinced it's a production staff issue.
It's the writers and directors. It's pretty fucking bad in every other scene. It feels like two different groups are responsible for every episode. Sometimes Vince has a great scene. And then his next is just cringe-worthy.
Same applies to everyone else's characters. Like what the fuck is going on? I'm convinced it's a production staff issue.
This season is feeling more like Law and Order SVU than what it was last season. It's a chore I am forcing myself to watch. This episode was absolutely atrocious. Talk to eccentric character #4 (who feels like they are LA waiters on their lucky break) move on to next perp. What the hell is this.
The overall plot of some stupid trade deal or railway who knows is soo boring it reminds me of star wars episode one
It seemed like season 2s casting was saying "this show is a platform for actors to do crazy unique roles. You know like s1" too bad Vince v didn't even bother to get a different haircut.
The whole fight Vince had with gold teeth managed to be boring. In season 1 we had to most effective, brief, "badassery confirmation" characterization in recent memory.
The overall plot of some stupid trade deal or railway who knows is soo boring it reminds me of star wars episode one
It seemed like season 2s casting was saying "this show is a platform for actors to do crazy unique roles. You know like s1" too bad Vince v didn't even bother to get a different haircut.
The whole fight Vince had with gold teeth managed to be boring. In season 1 we had to most effective, brief, "badassery confirmation" characterization in recent memory.
DarkJediKnight
Member
That was a perfect example of what happens when you throw a c-class actor into an a-class scene. Good actors shine without saying a word.
Matthew McConnauhey destroyed scenes like that in S1.
afternoon delight
Member
Well I'm really enjoying a nasty drama in noir LA even if it's not the Cthulhu swamps of the first, we don't get many like this any more with good actors. I've enjoyed Vince especially, you all are just jealous cus you're not money.
DarkJediKnight
Member
This season is feeling more like Law and Order SVU than what it was last season. It's a chore I am forcing myself to watch. This episode was absolutely atrocious. Talk to eccentric character #4 (who feels like they are LA waiters on their lucky break) move on to next perp. What the hell is this.
The overall plot of some stupid trade deal or railway who knows is soo boring it reminds me of star wars episode one
It seemed like season 2s casting was saying "this show is a platform for actors to do crazy unique roles. You know like s1" too bad Vince v didn't even bother to get a different haircut.
The whole fight Vince had with gold teeth managed to be boring. In season 1 we had to most effective, brief, "badassery confirmation" characterization in recent memory.
Season 1 was just so epic with so many little gems, like Rust and his giant notebook. It became a character itself.
Nothing is drawing me in this season. Colin Farrell's character to me is the only interesting one.
IMO, there is no point ot Taylor Kitch's character. So sick of him and his brooding crap.
Terrible show. What a downgrade! The uniqueness of S1 that made me glued to my tv on Sunday nights is gone.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
We also got the Marty vs Rust fight that was somehow more intense than 2 gangsters duking it out in a seedy back room.This season is feeling more like Law and Order SVU than what it was last season. It's a chore I am forcing myself to watch. This episode was absolutely atrocious. Talk to eccentric character #4 (who feels like they are LA waiters on their lucky break) move on to next perp. What the hell is this.
The overall plot of some stupid trade deal or railway who knows is soo boring it reminds me of star wars episode one
It seemed like season 2s casting was saying "this show is a platform for actors to do crazy unique roles. You know like s1" too bad Vince v didn't even bother to get a different haircut.
The whole fight Vince had with gold teeth managed to be boring. In season 1 we had to most effective, brief, "badassery confirmation" characterization in recent memory.
All these characters are generic. The only thing this season has is production values, which beckon you like a siren to watch and hope.
The first time they went into "the bar" and are smoking and drinking and moping, while the girl sings "i am so sad" was the moment this show revealed it had no voice. It is a parody of Season 1.
Sure there are flickers of hope, Taylor taking viagra was an interesting reveal at the time, and mean girls e cigarette, wait I can't think of anymore.
what a forgettable tragedy.
Chance Hale
Member
Franks men's had two or three guns pointed at them while the fight happened. They even had a shot of them moving forward to help out and that's when his crew raise the guns.
The dude that was speaking out was the current owner of the club after Vaughn's character sold it to him and planning on going "legit" (i.e. graduating to white collar scumminess/crime). Everyone else were just representatives from other local gangs. Which is why he asked him, "does he speak for all of you?" The meeting was supposed to be him asking his old gangster pals to keep their ears to the ground for who killed Stan (who I had forgotten was in the last episode).
The scene was not so great overall though. A lot of that side of the story is really unclear sometimes and that's not for lack of trying to figure it out.
I think it's much more than just the acting. Interstellar proved that McConnauhey is an average actor at best.
Cirekiller
Member
These first few episodes remind of the start of The Wire in a lot of ways (only talking about the cop parts). There are quite a few characters each with their own motivations on the case, and no one really expects to get anywhere with it. No one is invested until that big "oh shit" moment, which brings everyone together and gets a huge momentum push into the case.
I found the slow start of The Wire good because your level of interest in the show matched the level of the characters in their case, I was more interested in the characters at first, but once the stakes were raised and everyone started getting shit done, I already knew what everyone was about and the show could move a lot faster without me missing out on who was doing what and why.
Of course The Wire handled it much more masterfully than this season so far, and this season is pretty far in for nothing to happen really. I really hope the next episode is where they have their "oh shit" moment, or else it'll be too little too late imo.
And I agree with everyone saying that Farrell should have been the mob boss, VV is doing a terrible job at being intimidating. The slap scene or the locker room scene was all you needed to know Rust can fuck shit up if he wanted to, but that entire "fight" scene with Vaughn is just laughable, should have made it quick and brutal. WHY WAS HE DANCING AROUND? What a terrible casting choice.
I found the slow start of The Wire good because your level of interest in the show matched the level of the characters in their case, I was more interested in the characters at first, but once the stakes were raised and everyone started getting shit done, I already knew what everyone was about and the show could move a lot faster without me missing out on who was doing what and why.
Of course The Wire handled it much more masterfully than this season so far, and this season is pretty far in for nothing to happen really. I really hope the next episode is where they have their "oh shit" moment, or else it'll be too little too late imo.
And I agree with everyone saying that Farrell should have been the mob boss, VV is doing a terrible job at being intimidating. The slap scene or the locker room scene was all you needed to know Rust can fuck shit up if he wanted to, but that entire "fight" scene with Vaughn is just laughable, should have made it quick and brutal. WHY WAS HE DANCING AROUND? What a terrible casting choice.
Conor_Fool
Banned
Thanks. Definitely helps to clarify some stuff but it was still a pretty weak scene.
This season is feeling more like Law and Order SVU than what it was last season. It's a chore I am forcing myself to watch. This episode was absolutely atrocious. Talk to eccentric character #4 (who feels like they are LA waiters on their lucky break) move on to next perp. What the hell is this.
The overall plot of some stupid trade deal or railway who knows is soo boring it reminds me of star wars episode one
It seemed like season 2s casting was saying "this show is a platform for actors to do crazy unique roles. You know like s1" too bad Vince v didn't even bother to get a different haircut.
The whole fight Vince had with gold teeth managed to be boring. In season 1 we had to most effective, brief, "badassery confirmation" characterization in recent memory.
I thought the same thing when the scene began...very disappointing.I thought the foot chase scene would've been like S1's six minute single take scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_HuFuKiq8U
My heart will go on.
For what it's worth, I consider that season 1 action to be among the best in TV in history.
Circle Jerk
Member
People not liking what you like isn't trolling. It's called opinions.
WarrenMax007
Member
I'm enjoying this season and thought that episode 3 was the best episode of the season.
It's not as good as season 1, but it's not near as bad as some say it is.
I honestly feel some people wanted to hate it and watching with that in mind.
And also people didn't know who Stan was? Really? It's not that hard. It was obvious it was one of Frank's men, earlier in the episode he even asked the other guy "Stan.. why isn't he here?".
And this death shouldn't be impactful. It was a way to show that maybe someone is going after Frank.
It's not as good as season 1, but it's not near as bad as some say it is.
I honestly feel some people wanted to hate it and watching with that in mind.
And also people didn't know who Stan was? Really? It's not that hard. It was obvious it was one of Frank's men, earlier in the episode he even asked the other guy "Stan.. why isn't he here?".
And this death shouldn't be impactful. It was a way to show that maybe someone is going after Frank.
Ani is from Ventura Sheriff's department, and the body was found in Ventura so it's her territory. Paul found the body. Ray is working on the case, because Caspere was a missing person with his department.
"And also people didn't know who Stan was? Really? It's not that hard. It was obvious it was one of Frank's men, earlier in the episode he even asked the other guy "Stan.. why isn't he here?".
And this death shouldn't be impactful. It was a way to show that maybe someone is going after Frank.
Ani is from Ventura Sheriff's department, and the body was found in Ventura so it's her territory. Paul found the body. Ray is working on the case, because Caspere was a missing person with his department"
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con·vo·lut·ed
ˈkänvəˌlo͞odəd/
adjective
1.
(especially of an argument, story, or sentence) extremely complex and difficult to follow.
"its convoluted narrative encompasses all manner of digressions"
And this death shouldn't be impactful. It was a way to show that maybe someone is going after Frank.
Ani is from Ventura Sheriff's department, and the body was found in Ventura so it's her territory. Paul found the body. Ray is working on the case, because Caspere was a missing person with his department"
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con·vo·lut·ed
ˈkänvəˌlo͞odəd/
adjective
1.
(especially of an argument, story, or sentence) extremely complex and difficult to follow.
"its convoluted narrative encompasses all manner of digressions"
Legitimate criticism is fine. Played out snark dressed up as witty commentary is what this thread was destined to descend into from the beginning.
Saying it doesn't make it true. All I see is a butthurt person whining about other people's impressions. The Newsroom mention is a real giveaway, because that show suuuuuuuuuuuucked.
Majority of posters here have provided constructive criticism. Seems like you are just acting naive to prove your point.
Although If you really think acting and writing so far has been any good then I'm not sure what to say. Besides that majority of people who are watching the show haven't really been impressed by bland and misdirected episodes.
Cramoss
Member
The internet, bro
WarrenMax007
Member
Lol. It's not difficult to follow when it's right there in the fucking dialogue.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Ah man! I figured out why I like this season so much! This is straight up a better than average detective story. Not genre defining, but pretty good in it's own right. And for me, that kind of what I want right now. That's why I'm enjoying it so much.
It was when the cut away from Vincent detoothing a guy that I realized the big difference for me between seasons 1 and 2. Season 2 liked to linger in scenes. When they were done, we'd get a reaction. This has too many quick shots and plain camera angles. Still like the characters and dialogue though.
Anyone else disappointed we didn't see any Gundam models?
It was when the cut away from Vincent detoothing a guy that I realized the big difference for me between seasons 1 and 2. Season 2 liked to linger in scenes. When they were done, we'd get a reaction. This has too many quick shots and plain camera angles. Still like the characters and dialogue though.
Anyone else disappointed we didn't see any Gundam models?
Yes.
He's a total fraud. He buys them for his kid but he doesn't build any himself! Boo!
This is how I feel. Had the show been a two-character centric story like season 1 with McAdams and Farrel leading, there would've been more room for the good stuff and less meandering.
Being "in the dialogue" doesn't excuse it.
It is not a question of who is smart enough to follow or who isn't.
When you have a certain percentage of people not understanding the plot and therefore having trouble feeling tension in dialogue, connection with characters, or anticipation of events, you have a problem that is clear. /
The writing. Characters. Idea of the show.
is shitty.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Ah man, Now I'm thinking about an entirely different show more focused on that dynamic, with a super closeup on their relationship the same way they did in Season 1. Fuck that would have been such a better show.
This is what I am hoping for the show. Jesus christ you have this many characters you are doing nothing with. KILL. SOME. OF. THEM. just do something
This reminds me of the latest Game of Thrones season. It seems to be wasting time. It doesn't feel like buildup, just wasting time.