JORMBO
Darkness no more
Thanks for pointing that out. I noticed that after I submitted the thread.
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Trump and Kim Arrive in Singapore
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Thanks for pointing that out. I noticed that after I submitted the thread.
cryptoadam
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Honestly in the end I am more trusting of NK and the Pacific to get with the times and move forward and put the hostilities behind them, then I am with Mullahs having missles and bombs.
If Kim is serious about this, even if NK becomes more of a China than an SK I think it will turn out for the better.
Reality is this whole thing is a self fulfiling prophecy. NK wants nukes because they think the US will invade, but the only reason the US would invade is because NK has nukes. Its not the 1980's anymore, there isn't an East/West divide. NK needs to drop this fear that the US will invade and enslave it and join the modern world. Free its people and let them turn NK into an economic power like their southern brothers.
rokkerkory
Member
If a picture said a thousand words...
5secondrulesucks
Banned
haha i love trump so much
JORMBO
Darkness no more
If a picture said a thousand words...
The general saluted Trump first so he saluted him back. That seems like the polite thing to do. Watch the video.
Airola
Member
Seems to be another case of "look, Trump's such an idiot that he just throws the food to the fish like an imbecil" while on the video it is shown he did exactly the same thing as Abe before him.
TheShadowLord
Member
not sure I like the idea of removing the US military from South Korea. Or not letting the press at the summit ( with the exception of Sean Hannity, I guessed)
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rokkerkory
Member
And right afterwards attacking not saluting our friends but showing the utmost respect for Kim's regime. smh
JORMBO
Darkness no more
I’m not exactly sure what you are referencing. Can you provide more details?
Gold_Loot
Member
That would mean there’s context to the picture.
You should know better than assuming the far left knows what that is.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's official! Ambassador Rodman has officially arrived at his destination:
Amazing times we're living in! Who'd ever thunk Donald Trump and Dennis Rodman were about to save the world
I think I'll just pull out this quote from 2013. I (sorta) believed in you, Dennis! XD
These past several years have been chock full of irony. It's been quite a ride.
Also this:
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think the US military should GTFO of more places overseas, to be quite honest.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Indeed. I've been noticing this a lot and it's pretty disheartening. Progressives should be in favor of detente and deescalation.
First it was, "Oh noes, Trump is a crazy war mongering idiot who's going to start nuclear war!". Now it's , "Oh noes, Trump is a crazy idiot who's going to deescalate a 70 year conflict!". smh.
Super Mario
Banned
He literally can not win. Apparently, it is best to leave the real problems alone to fix themselves so we can create some fake ones
DasPenguin
Member
Trump called a dictator of NK a good negotiator and a strong leader. Thank god there aren’t people starving there or anything.
Then he throws a temper tantrum at G7, wants Russia back in the negotiations, you know the country who shot down a commercial airplane and invaded parts of Ukraine.
And it’s always the same song to his allies. “Terrorism is ruining Europe.” The same terrorism that has caused less than 200 deaths in all of Europe per year. And I wonder why these people are migrating to Europe. Probably because one superpower attacked a country in the Middle East with fakes intel and kept bombing the area for a decade.
So tell me again about the real problems and what a great job Trump is doing.
Kittehkraken
Member
Overthrowing dictators through hostility has worked so well in recent past, I couldn't imagine why we aren't doing it again. So many success stories. So many people saved. So much suffering averted. Oh wait...
If buttering up Kim gets North Korea to finally calm the fuck down, so be it. Calling Kim exactly what he is will just make him go back into whatever bunker he crawled out of.
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TheLaughingStock
Member
The people screeching about human rights violations seem to want lip service from Pres. Trump to make them feel good. If he wags his finger at Kim and calls him out, then he'll stop violating human rights ASAP. Countless people will be saved who are being tortured, starved and mentally abused as we speak.
Or at least it won't give Kim "legitimacy"... as if the lack of that prevents him from trying to do what he wants in his country. American legitimacy isn't a prerequisite.
If this is the purity test world leaders have to pass before the POTUS can do business, then you wouldn't be talking to many people. And I doubt many would want to do a deal with the US by the same token. As Pres. Trump said a lot of people are doing bad things and what he left out is few are willing to put themselves at risk to stop them.
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Super Mario
Banned
When Trump is hostile towards Kim = he is starting WW3. If he is diplomatic = supporting the violation of human rights. It's all a game for the media.
What did the previous administrations do to fix any of this? Hearing some of the words coming out of Kim's mouth was nothing short of jaw-dropping. I don't think anyone has suddenly fallen in love with NK, but optimism is in the air, more than ever.
TheShadowLord
Member
While he should have answered you by now, he means about the heated argument Trump had with Trudeau and the rest of the members of G7. Even going on twitter saying that Canada was responsible for the burning The White House during the War of 1812(It was the British that done that and Canada wasn't even around). While being "too friendly" with Kim Jong Un.
camelCase
Member
Holy shit, that's news to me. I'm surprised to see the accepted spelling be the correct ordering of the Asian name.
TheShadowLord
Member
Something like Kojima Hideo doesn't really roll off the tongue as Hideo Kojima does though.
camelCase
Member
Yeah, but the opposite may be true of another name like, Sagawa Tsukasa
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Some of this resentment comes from the fact that the Right crushed Obama on many fronts like this vis-e-vie Iran and Cuba. Had the right had this same energy about the Iranian deal and the deal that was made with Cuba that ended a 50+ year confict, most of those same liberals would be speaking about this Trump and NK thing differently.
Max Legroom
Banned
Seems like this was a whole lot of nothing. The Norks promised what they always promise but never do.
It's good Trump and Kim deescalated a situation they themselves escalated but it scarcely calls for high praise.
Trump made a big show of caring about human rights in his SOTU. All that stuff with the Warmbier's and the guy with no legs. If he doesn't want people to point out that he doesn't appear to care about human rights perhaps he shouldn't have pretended otherwise.
It's good Trump and Kim deescalated a situation they themselves escalated but it scarcely calls for high praise.
Trump made a big show of caring about human rights in his SOTU. All that stuff with the Warmbier's and the guy with no legs. If he doesn't want people to point out that he doesn't appear to care about human rights perhaps he shouldn't have pretended otherwise.
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What does the previous administration have to do with this, or even at that why is it solely that administrations responsibility to fix it versus lecturing all the preceding administrators prior which also didn't fix this?
The reality is we actually are in a fundamentally worse position in terms of national security if things continue at their current pace. The US cannot vacate East Asia and expect there will not be severe movements in power. It's the whole reason why we are even there in the first place.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes, I definitely observe this too. The Iran stuff is pretty similar in nature to NK, and Trump just shits all over that. I remember back when Hannity and the others criticized President Obama over being open to "talking to dictators", and yet here they are now heaping praise on Trump over him basically "talking to dictators". While I'm not too surprised at how hacky they are in that sense, I'll take it. What really disappoints me, in a more fundamental sense, is how pundits like Maddow have jumped on the hack train, too. I don't think it's a good idea.
(It is for their ratings, though)
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Our reasons for our military being almost anywhere else except in America are usually pretty shitty to begin with.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's like sports. If my team does it it's good. If your team does it it's terrible.
I'm not disagreeing with this, but we can't suddenly pull out of areas we've stabilized for decades and not expect instability and have it come back to haunt us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with just over $500,000 in 1979, was increased dramatically to $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[1][3][4][5] Funding continued after 1989 as the mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992).[6]
Aftermath[edit]
The U.S. shifted its interest from Afghanistan after the withdrawal of Soviet troops. American funding of Hekmatyar and his Hezb-i-Islami party was cut off immediately.[53] The U.S. also reduced its assistance for Afghan refugees in Pakistan.
In October 1990, U.S. President George H. W. Bush refused to certify that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear explosive device, triggering the imposition of sanctions against Pakistan under the Pressler Amendment (1985) in the Foreign Assistance Act. This disrupted the second assistance package offered in 1987 and discontinued economic assistance and military sales to Pakistan with the exception of the economic assistance already on its way to Pakistan. Military sales and training programs were abandoned as well and some of the Pakistani military officers under training in the U.S. were asked to return home.[33]
As late as 1991 Charlie Wilson persuaded the House Intelligence Committee to give the Mujahideen $200 million for fiscal year 1992. With the matching funds from Saudi Arabia, this amounted to a contribution of $400 million for that year. Afghan tribes were also delivered weapons which the US captured from Iraq in the Gulf War.[54]
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I dunno if that's the best example. We shouldn't have been pulling that shit in the first place. Our meddling there resulted in The Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
Besides, modern day South Korea and Japan are a lot different. I'm confident they'll be fine.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
Oh that's very simple. North Korea is actually a threat that can devastate right back. Iran can't. If Iran had nukes rest assured Trump would be meeting with their leader and praising his virtues.
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