Nazgul_Hunter
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I think this leaked because the Senate Intelligence Committee said today they'd hit a wall with the Dossier. This might just be to reassure people it's not a dead end.
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'Trump dossier' (Christopher Steele) on Russia links now part of Mueller's probe
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By Most accounts The Congress played the spook the spook card and showed up at his company etc. saying come speak to congress. It was a very basic move to cause Steele to be apprehensive and in all likelihood refuse. Congress was far more aggressive than they needed to be with him.
Mueller and his people probably did things through channels that would not be so unusual and were reassuring to Steele.
The thing about the dossier is its contents reveal themselves through the normal means of the investigation. They have been able to determine who sources are etc. just by doing their thing. If anything they want to use that as a secondary influence rather than basing their investigation solely on it as the defense will be its a hit piece by political operatives.
radios shipping overview
Member
Consequences? Like literal treason? Betraying ones country to it's enemies? Those consequences?
valkillmore
Member
Can I get a Hell Yes
Won't be much of a crisis if his numbers remain abysmal and the GOP has any desire to hold seats.
Alex_Mexico
Member
I feel like when Mueller finally comes out and subpoenas Trump I wont need to read it in the news. I'll just feel a disturbance in the force and will just know it.
polyh3dron
Banned
more like dossi-YAY, amirite?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Prepare yourselves for disappointment.
Hell yes
Steele could be the Finn to Mueller's Rey
Completely separate from Mueller
giant_frying_pan
Member
Wanda/Wander
Member
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Its never clear if these Mueller is looking into X stories are happing in real time or if theyre strategic leaks after the fact. Either way, despite how much we all like to joke about the piss tape, Mueller is pretty clearly more interested in following the money, which you have to figure is much easier to prove.
How'd you read the article and miss that Steele has already met with the FBI? The congressional investigations are just a dog and pony show, there's no upside to dealing with them. Everything is riding on the FBI and Mueller investigation.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
...so?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's why you should prepare for disappointment.
Relative disappointment, to be more specific.
Troubled? No. Mueller is the absence of worry. Mueller is hope.
We should prepare for disappointment because Steele refuses to cooperate with a sham investigation and has instead chosen to work exclusively with the intelligence agencies and the FBI (and therefore Mueller)? Do you even understand the argument you are making?
Poltergust
Member
I like to look at it this way (assuming that he indeed just started looking at the dossier now):
Mueller was able to conduct a comprehensive investigation even without the dossier. He's hired, what, 20 investigators and prosecutors by now? The dossier is probably just icing on the cake for him at this point.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes.
valkillmore
Member
May the piss tape be with them.
Hasn't it been communicated, on more than one occasion, that this investigation is still in its infancy? People keep saying "hurry up Mueller!" but I think we're looking at another year or two before we start hearing about it wrapping up. I'd love to be wrong though.
acheron_xl
Member
Hate to burst your fantasy, but they can't charge anyone with treason in this case since we're not at war with Russia.
Geno Breaker
Banned
When this is all said and done, what punishment do you guys think Russia is gonna get and how would we prevent them from doing this stuff again?
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
"So what? WHEN YOU GOTTA GO, YOU GOTTA GO OKAY?!"
acheron_xl
Member
Sanctions, and a sternly worded letter to Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey.
Darryl M R
Member
Can Nunes go down as well?
"He's only making sure those hookers are well hydrated. But he's a germaphobe, so he just watched."
I feel too many people are relying on...rather...assume that Mueller will bring some sort of indictment or charges against Trump himself. I think we need to take a measured approach here.
Can you expand on it
So even if they find out that Trump has been working with Russia he can safely sit as the president and then rerun for a second term?
Demoskinos
Member
Please let this fucking lead to this orange asshole vanishing from the white house.
Most traitors in the 20th century were charged with espionage, not treason.
acheron_xl
Member
Best case I think is probably espionage related.
He's probably going down with a pile of money laundering and racketeering charges.
I'm totally with you and why I said it's a no win situation for American democracy.
As a Puerto Rican whose family lost their homes because of Maria I want this individual to face the harshest punishment possible, having said that I also worry about the precedent it sets.
Not that Trump didn't do anything wrong but that we have opened the door for witch hunts that will escalate in nature.
And for everyone else, YES we are damaged goods but damn do I not believe in this country and what is possible. I say that as a person of color who really thinks this American experiment can work.
Working with the Russian Government to undermine and ultimately disrupt the Election process of the United States to gain Power would certainly qualify as waging war against the United States or at a minimum its second possibility Adhering to the enemies of the United States.
If they nail his ass to the wall its going to be on a number of financial issues I am sure though to avoid semantics
If they nail his ass to the wall its going to be on a number of financial issues I am sure though to avoid semantics
It's not a witch hunt if there's a massive pile of evidence. The reason this will take so long is that it needs to be airtight and it involves taking down a presidency.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The hope of an eventual impeachment that many hope for as a result of this is a much more implausible outcome than can be expected from what the public currently knows about the situation. It's overvalued, so that even if it does result in a win of some fashion, it will be disappointing relative to the expectation.
There are also the unknowns currently at play, but given the past pattern of wishful thinking that I've observed over the years, I'm not holding my breath.
skullmuffins
Banned
Yeah. Just last week, for example, we got the news that Mueller met with Pence's lawyer back in June. I think it's clear this story came out now in response to today's Senate Intel update, but I wouldn't assume much about when Mueller took over that aspect of the investigation.
legacyzero
Banned
Look at that face. That's looks like the face of the actor I'd cast to play the FBI director in the movie where Trump goes to prison for treason.
BrassDragon
Member
Let's not forget that Christopher Steele went into hiding after the dossier became public knowledge in fear of his life. Not the hassle of publicity or inquiries, he apparently believed foreign actors would come after him and his family.
This is a former intelligence professional with connections in all branches of the Russian security apparatus. He's not a paranoid nutjob.
The ridiculously public and heavy handed ways US Congress approached him would have made him an even bigger target.
I'm sure Mueller is going about this in a way that doesn't compromise him and the people close to him.
It's a super star team of some of the best lawyers and prosecutors around. I'm sure they're building the strongest case they can, but IMO... I really do hope they get him on some enemies of the States kinda shit. I hope it's as unambiguous as possible. If it comes down to finances, well then so be it. But I really do want him to be judged by history as a criminal for helping to undermine our democracy, and the Republican party shamed for a generation for allowing this to happen.
Let me tell you a story about a little town called Benghazi.