Poor GRIMES
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I feel like we all anticipated this, but didn't want to believe it
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Trump Fires James Comey
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I feel like we all anticipated this, but didn't want to believe it
jellies_two
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then why didn't he resign?, why let himself be used.
He got played. they threatened him in some way, or lied and said he wasn't going to be used as the excuse and then got used.
In which case his resignation should come now.
Willing to give him a couple of days for it to play out. He might actually be just as blindside by Trump's move as everyone else. Or he is a stooge. Or something inbetween.
Flying Toaster
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He needs to quit. It would escalate shit to levels we cannot even imagine.
He would also save some face and find grace in quitting.
He had his chance to stand up to the President and he didn't.
I don't see how anyone can trust him going forward.
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Deleted member 80556
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Our very own Saturday Night Massacre! Well, not exactly, but it definitely gives vibes.
I completely agree, he should resign ASAP and say the WH used his name without his permission.
KernelPanic
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Probably. But it'd be nice to see someone take a stand.
During Watergate the AG and DAG resigned rather than fire the special prosecutor on Nixon's order.
Fast forward to today and people threaten to quit after they bend over for POTUS
During his confirmation hearing he was made out to be an upstanding straight shooter by the Democratic senators from Maryland, where he worked. So I'm guessing it's option one or three.
TheCochese
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It's an easy thing for someone to tell someone else they should end their career. If I were him I'd need at least a few days to make some calls, etc.
It's nice to think any one of us would do the right thing and tell people to pound sand, but that doesn't pay the bills. Just looking at it from a ground-level view.
Yeah I wonder if this story will force his hand.
At this point, it would look bad if he didn't.
No, he should go public with a statement and basically dare the WH to make this situation worse by dismissing him as well for telling the truth. Though, is the deputy an appointment or a civil servant and therefore can't just be summarily fired by Trump anyway?
Spoiled Milk
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Then
Nobody wants to be the fall guy for trying to cover up treason
The best part is they actually thought people were going to buy their excuse and any on the Left was gonna be happy about this.
StopMakingSense
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Position is confirmed by the Senate.
I think it would be reasonable to let him wait until the end of the week. Give himself time to secure any info and have contingencies in place to prevent things from being swept under the rug.
adamsappel
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I do not understand why there isn't some Republican having a "Mr. Smith" moment and realizing he can be a hero.
John McCain once called his own wife a cunt in front of reporters.
John Dean was a Nixon loyalist who only turned against the administration when he realized he was being set up as a fall guy. You ask people to fall on swords, you don't plant them in their path and try to trip them.
jellies_two
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I know he has to get through just the republicans, but Sessions would need to appoint someone through the senate again, This guy was already confirmed through the senate once and we have had several senators who voted for him already openly state they regret that decision in light of last night. They are not going to be able to get an even worse lackey through at this point. They might try but the guy they nominate is going to get the scrutiny the likes of which haven't been seen since Nixon investigations. The best result we can have from this is if in a statement of self preservation he resigns in protest it would basically confirm the story peddled by the white house cannot be true. (Implication wise we know they are fucking with us already).
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Listen: Trump can't survive this. The momentum is unstoppable.
I agree that this is far easier said than done, but this isn't even an unprecedented situation.
If Rosenstein had been DAG in 1973 he would have fired Archibald Cox. The standard of integrity for the office has been set and he didn't meet it.
Ziltoidia 9
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Is Trump and Sessions getting together trying to figure out a way to fire Comey illegal?
I know its shady shit, I'm just talking on the legal front. Not a loaded question, I'm just wondering.
I know its shady shit, I'm just talking on the legal front. Not a loaded question, I'm just wondering.
So....I was just thinking about this....ok...mind blowing scenario. Trump is found to have possibly committed a crime of some sort. Who would actually arrest the president? Secret Service? Attorney General? An actual General? Or just some beat cop? There's gotta be a plan in writing for this kinda stuff, probably since after the Nixon era.
StopMakingSense
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Not illegal. Impolitic and impeachable, though.
It's been a single day. Give him till the end of the week at least. My guess is that he was unaware that the list of questionable actions by Comey would be used (and so quickly) to then fire him outright so quickly and during an active investigation.
If they did it in order to exert control over the Russia investigation, its obstruction of justice.
Hard to believe, it feels like years have passed since this occurred.
I think it would be FBI agents.
KernelPanic
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I don't think Rosenstein's letter explicitly called for Comey to be fired though.
TheCochese
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I still think he gets the benefit of another news cycle or so. Just my take. I don't know anything about his bio, what sort of family situation he is in. Am I assuming he will do the right thing? Yeah. He seemed to have a good rep before this.
This board isn't the best at letting things breathe for a bit. News just went public, which will probably force his hand a bit.
Is just both hilarious and depressing how grade school it is being handled.
Should have fired Comey months ago if they thought he was that bad.
And the simple minds that thought the Dems would be happy. Sure he did damage during election time. But now he's doing damage to the other party.
The world used to respect the USA. Then the world hated the USA. Now the world laughs at the USA.
On the legal front it's pretty gray. It depends on Sessions' exact recusal. It could also possibly fall into obstruction of justice, but I think you have to prove that's why he wanted to remove Comey.
Leona Lewis
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I really need someone to tell me what pathway there is to any of this making a difference in this partisan shitstorm of a Congress, the one body that can actually end this entire sad charade.
Flying Toaster
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It would be the FBI and it would be crazy.
PantherLotus
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Let's catch up on the news breaking tonight:
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/862509682048589824
when you put it like that..
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/862509682048589824
Dan Diamond @ddiamond
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A sampling of the Comey, Trump and Russia news breaking tonight.
when you put it like that..
StopMakingSense
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Calling on a two week appointment to fall on his sword will surely endear the administration to any other newcomers.
Fair enough.
If time reveals that he's been hung out to dry in this I will gladly eat crow.
But wouldn't that would just further prove that it's about the investigations into russia and the campaign?
smokeandmirrors
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Honestly I'm afraid of whatever happens if/when it does get to that point...
TheHornedBeast
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Posted yet?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/comey-goodbye-letter/index.html
Former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired Tuesday by President Donald Trump, on Wednesday sent a letter to select FBI staff, friends and agents. Here is the text of that letter, which was obtained by CNN.
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To all:
I have long believed that a President can fire an FBI Director for any reason, or for no reason at all. I'm not going to spend time on the decision or the way it was executed. I hope you won't either. It is done, and I will be fine, although I will miss you and the mission deeply.
I have said to you before that, in times of turbulence, the American people should see the FBI as a rock of competence, honesty, and independence. What makes leaving the FBI hard is the nature and quality of its people, who together make it that rock for America.
It is very hard to leave a group of people who are committed only to doing the right thing. My hope is that you will continue to live our values and the mission of protecting the American people and upholding the Constitution.
If you do that, you too will be sad when you leave, and the American people will be safer.
Working with you has been one of the great joys of my life. Thank you for that gift.
Jim Comey
Interesting.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/comey-goodbye-letter/index.html
Former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired Tuesday by President Donald Trump, on Wednesday sent a letter to select FBI staff, friends and agents. Here is the text of that letter, which was obtained by CNN.
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To all:
I have long believed that a President can fire an FBI Director for any reason, or for no reason at all. I'm not going to spend time on the decision or the way it was executed. I hope you won't either. It is done, and I will be fine, although I will miss you and the mission deeply.
I have said to you before that, in times of turbulence, the American people should see the FBI as a rock of competence, honesty, and independence. What makes leaving the FBI hard is the nature and quality of its people, who together make it that rock for America.
It is very hard to leave a group of people who are committed only to doing the right thing. My hope is that you will continue to live our values and the mission of protecting the American people and upholding the Constitution.
If you do that, you too will be sad when you leave, and the American people will be safer.
Working with you has been one of the great joys of my life. Thank you for that gift.
Jim Comey
Interesting.
Trump firing him would make this look even worse as Trump's primary scapegoat. Basically, he should come forward with the reasons why he takes issue with how his comments on Comey were and are being used to validate Comey's early termination before resigning himself. Resignation in the face of this would go much farther in showing his non-partisan integrity that the GOP is currently showboating to make this all seem trivial, when this is a goddamn nightmare scenario.
Maybe the problem is not with the press team ?
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