Trump "overhauls campaign team," adds two new campaign managers

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Lord Frieza said:
I mean, what exactly are you scared of? This is basically been his campaign strategy since the general election, and it's shown no signs of working at all. What's going to magically make it work now?
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Because as terrible a candidate he is, he's still winning in 15-25 states. He's still getting 45% of the vote.

There should be an overwhelming rejection of his platform. The electoral map should resemble a Washington or Reagan blowout. The popular vote margin should dwarf harding and Coolidge.
 
tuffy said:
Complacency is more of a problem on the side that feels it's going to get slaughtered than on the side that's going to win big. "Trump's going to get beat, I'll stay home, no need to vote" is more likely.
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Pretty much. During the last two elections we heard about A) People getting in the voting booth and then chickening out of voting for the black president and B) People being de-energized from 2008 and not voting for the black president. Neither of those things happened.

If this were just a matter of getting people out to vote for Clinton then I would be concerned because I don't find her to be a very exciting candidate, even as the first woman president, but honestly I don't think that you'll find a lot of voters who will pass up the chance to stand in line to vote "NO!" for Trump. He (and his vocal supporters) have pissed too many people off.
M-PG71C said:
I get where you are coming from and I agree for the most part. But I'm looking at the side of the irrational and/or uninformed voter, which makes a significant enough base to swing things. He is going to make things very ugly, and it has a possibility of working. The informed voters, the liberal base, and those moderates leaning left are locked and secured. It's the other middle, the other half of the spectrum that could make things closer than I would have ever liked.

His chance of getting through the election and winning are slim. But the fact of the matter is that the chance still exists and is significant enough to ponder a, "I wonder?".
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I've been having this discussion with friends since earlier this year, prior to Trump going off the rails as badly as he has. It's going to take a lot to convince me that there are enough uniformed bigoted voters to elect Trump but not enough to have blocked Obama from the presidency. And the demographics have only gotten worse for Trump's chances since 2012.
 
Did Conway know this was coming last night when she was on CNN? Or did she impress someone last night? She was pretty awful, Don Lemon kept shutting her ridiculous comments down
 
M-PG71C said:
I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. I see more of a, "Drumpf needs my support now more than ever and I need to vote to stand up for what I believe in". I'm just saying, don't dismiss complacency. Democrats have a long history of having a win snatched from the jaws of victory.



I get where you are coming from and I agree for the most part. But I'm looking at the side of the irrational and/or uninformed voter, which makes a significant enough base to swing things. He is going to make things very ugly, and it has a possibility of working. The informed voters, the liberal base, and those moderates leaning left are locked and secured. It's the other middle, the other half of the spectrum that could make things closer than I would have ever liked.

His chance of getting through the election and winning are slim. But the fact of the matter is that the chance still exists and is significant enough to ponder a, "I wonder?".
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I see these posts from time to time on GAF. Stop being worried and scared. Turn that into confidence and action. If you are this concerned then help the campaigns against him. Volunteer, phone bank, donate, protest, etc.
 
rjinaz said:
This is a wonderful sight to see. Trump has decided if he is going to go down, he's going to go down his way.
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Well, poop. Now I'll be hoping that Trump, in lieu of a concession speech, will instead break out into a rendition of "My Way".
 
GaimeGuy said:
Because as terrible a candidate he is, he's still winning in 15-25 states. He's still getting 45% of the vote.

There should be an overwhelming rejection of his platform. The electoral map should resemble a Washington or Reagan blowout. The popular vote margin should dwarf harding and Coolidge.
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His numbers are still totally in the pot, and we have traditionally red states that are either potentially going blue or not nearly as red as just the previous Presidential election. This feels like pseudo-fear mongering to be honest. No, there's not some universal rejection of Trump as I agree there should, but he's polling at historically low levels and isn't even competitive with Hillary through electorate polling, and we're just 2 and an half months away from election day. I don't really see how Trump just doing what he's been doing that's been failing will magically start to work just because he's not being rejected on a universal scale.
 
BigJonsson said:
Did Conway know this was coming last night when she was on CNN? Or did she impress someone last night? She was pretty awful, Don Lemon kept shutting her ridiculous comments down
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Don Lemon had to keep talking to her like she was a five year old throwing a tantrum. That probably appealed to Trump.
 
Lord Frieza said:
His numbers are still totally in the pot, and we have traditionally red states that are either potentially going blue or not nearly as red as just the previous Presidential election. This feels like pseudo-fear mongering to be honest. No, there's not some universal rejection of Trump as I agree there should, but he's polling at historically low levels and isn't even competitive with Hillary through electorate polling, and we're just 2 and an half months away from election day. I don't really see how Trump just doing what he's been doing that's been failing will magically start to work just because he's not being rejected on a universal scale.
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All of that aren't excuses to not care anymore and becoming complacent, people didn't try thinking about Brexit and then that surprised them. People thought that not voting is alright since it can't happen anyway, but why leave it to that here? Can't people at least try to learn some lessons?
 
convo said:
All of that aren't excuses to not care anymore and becoming complacent, people didn't try thinking about Brexit and then that surprised them. People thought that not voting is alright since it can't happen anyway, but why leave it to that here? Can't people at least try to learn some lessons?
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Polls on Brexit showed it very close in the weeks leading up to the vote, so I don't really buy the complacency argument here. I'm not aware of any real evidence that complacency among voters is liable to cost a candidate a race when well ahead in the polls. Honestly Trump is horrifying enough that we should be motivated enough to vote against him without pretending the race is closer than it actually is.
 
convo said:
All of that aren't excuses to not care anymore and becoming complacent, people didn't try thinking about Brexit and then that surprised them. People thought that not voting is alright since it can't happen anyway, but why leave it to that here? Can't people at least try to learn some lessons?
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When I looked back on polling for Brexit it had been a 50/50 referendum for some time. US elections aren't referendums and Trump isn't polling 50/50.

People definitely shouldn't become complacent and I personally won't relax completely until I see blue bar pass 270 but there's never been an uphill climb the likes of what Trump is going to have to accomplish in the history of America politics.

Trump certainly hasn't demonstrated by his moves today that he's competent enough of a politician to move the needle in his direction by much either. I do think the numbers will tighten prior to November because there are voters who will vote Republican regardless of the name on the ticket but I don't see reaching Romney's 2012 EC numbers as a possibility.
 
Spiritreaver said:
I see these posts from time to time on GAF. Stop being worried and scared. Turn that into confidence and action. If you are this concerned then help the campaigns against him. Volunteer, phone bank, donate, protest, etc.
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I don't mean to be critical, but what do you think us minorities are doing? Sitting on the sidelines? The reason Trump has little chance of actually getting in has a lot to do with people like me doing just that: Donating, volunteering, phone banking, etc. I don't sit on the sidelines. I do this while having a career and a family.

Your post comes off as very condescending. Just because certain people on GAF may post reservations does not mean we are being ill-productive.

Saint Gregory said:
I've been having this discussion with friends since earlier this year, prior to Trump going off the rails as badly as he has. It's going to take a lot to convince me that there are enough uniformed bigoted voters to elect Trump but not enough to have blocked Obama from the presidency. And the demographics have only gotten worse for Trump's chances since 2012.
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Like I stated, I agree. His chances are very slim and he does not have a legitimate pathway to getting to 270. He has no ground game, little staff, no GOTV, etc. He's a modern day Goldwater, except with no political experience and total arrogance. But I'll assume nothing until, like you, I see the blue bar hit 270. Till that day, I'll be doing all I can to ensure he gets beaten badly.
 
GaimeGuy said:
Because as terrible a candidate he is, he's still winning in 15-25 states. He's still getting 45% of the vote.

There should be an overwhelming rejection of his platform. The electoral map should resemble a Washington or Reagan blowout. The popular vote margin should dwarf harding and Coolidge.
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Unlikely that such a blowout would occur when the Democrats are fielding a candidate like Hillary Clinton in a climate like today's.
 
jiji said:
So is this Trump realizing he can't win at this point and deciding to spend the rest of the campaign building a movement/audience/message for his post-election far-right media venture?
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This is more like Trump (the egotistical megalomaniac) convincing himself that the strategy to winning the general should be the same as the primaries. The guy is so damn full of himself that he believes that the winning formula is to simply inject more of himself into the conversation. To that end, he has taken the steps to surround himself with people that agree with this.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
3rdman said:
This is more like Trump (the egotistical megalomaniac) convincing himself that the strategy to winning the general should be the same as the primaries. The guy is so damn full of himself that he believes that the winning formula is to simply inject more of himself into the conversation. To that end, he has taken the steps to surround himself with people that agree with this.

What could possibly go wrong?
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All we ever need in our lives, after all, no matter the problem, is a little more Donald J. Trump.
 
M-PG71C said:
I don't mean to be critical, but what do you think us minorities are doing? Sitting on the sidelines? The reason Drumpf has little chance of actually getting in has a lot to do with people like me doing just that: Donating, volunteering, phone banking, etc. I don't sit on the sidelines. I do this while having a career and a family.

Your post comes off as very condescending. Just because certain people on GAF may post reservations does not mean we are being ill-productive.
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I wasn't trying to be condescending, and sorry if it came out that way. Just encouraging people to be more positive. I acknowledged your concerns are valid, but there are people who are worried who aren't doing anything. Heck, I was one of those people before this year.

I'm also a minority btw. Half black, grew up in poverty, gay. I really am not trying to come off condescending, so again, sorry if it came off that way!
 
Chie Satonaka said:
Oh, how magical.

I said he had no bottom in another thread. I'm looking forward to see how far "no bottom" actually gets in the next three months.

Come on, Trumpy. Shock me.
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Trump's campaign doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. Trump's campaign isn't the bottom of the barrel. Trump's campaign isn't below the bottom of the barrel. Trump's campaign doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with barrels

(Apologies to the late Roger Ebert.)
 
Spiritreaver said:
I wasn't trying to be condescending, and sorry if it came out that way. Just encouraging people to be more positive. I acknowledged your concerns are valid, but there are people who are worried who aren't doing anything. Heck, I was one of those people before this year.

I'm also a minority btw. Half black, grew up in poverty, gay. I really am not trying to come off condescending, so again, sorry if it came off that way!
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It's okay, I got heated after the fact lol, and it is true that there are people who choose to do nothing even though they are well-aware how badly it may affect them. I'm sorry as well.

At the end of the day, we are all on the same side!
 
Quixzlizx said:
I'm thinking that Obama will agree not to withdraw Garland during the lame-duck session as long as they help him pass the TPP.
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Yep. Hillary is against it, but it's a pro-business move, so the Republicans could try to save some face in getting it passed before Hillary comes in and scuttles the whole thing.
 
GaimeGuy said:
Because as terrible a candidate he is, he's still winning in 15-25 states. He's still getting 45% of the vote.

There should be an overwhelming rejection of his platform. The electoral map should resemble a Washington or Reagan blowout. The popular vote margin should dwarf harding and Coolidge.
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Trump is not going to get 45℅ of the vote at this point. He will end up getting between dole and McCain in terms of the share of the vote.Barely any polls have had him crack 45℅ in the last year or so and multiple polls have shown him getting sub 40℅ of the vote.He also won't break 45℅ because of his really terrible ground game.Hilary will most likely beat him by high single digits or low double digits in the end.
 
BigJonsson said:
Did Conway know this was coming last night when she was on CNN? Or did she impress someone last night? She was pretty awful, Don Lemon kept shutting her ridiculous comments down
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Late reply, but supposedly she was promoted yesterday but it was official today. So in retrospect, that segment on Don Lemon's show comes off even worse, like she thinks she's better than everyone else and also doesn't have to put up with their "crap" anymore.

And given all the awful things she said about Trump not even four months back when she was pro-Cruz, the hilarity of this is shining through.

I'd say to expect some firings announced tomorrow. Katrina Pierson was on earlier today and was talking nice and sweet things about Conway... so I think she knows her job is in question, especially with her #KatrinaPiersonHistory problems.
 
BigJonsson said:
Did Conway know this was coming last night when she was on CNN? Or did she impress someone last night? She was pretty awful, Don Lemon kept shutting her ridiculous comments down
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She was on Fox News too last night, and her main message was that she thinks anyone running a campaign would rather be in Trump's position than in Hillary's. Yeah....she's the personification of "This is fine".
 
Jintor said:
On an entertainment level this is some end season plot twist shit that will keep me popcorn munching until the grand finale. As a human being who inhabits a world where the USA's political direction matters I am waiting with baited breath
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Great way to look at it. It will be great!
 
convo said:
All of that aren't excuses to not care anymore and becoming complacent, people didn't try thinking about Brexit and then that surprised them. People thought that not voting is alright since it can't happen anyway, but why leave it to that here? Can't people at least try to learn some lessons?
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I getting so sick of this shit. Where did I say anything about being complacent? Where did I say you shouldn't care? I didn't. It's like liberals can't fathom having confidence in something without thinking you just don't give a shit about it. I'm sorry I don't look at the numbers and see doom and gloom, but yet am still going to vote. I'm sorry I am such an abomination to the liberal community as being someone that is both active and confident.
 
Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, is being combative on CNN right now. I think Conway and Bannon's influence on the campaign has already begun: attack the media and treat them like dirt.

Best part:

Michael Cohen: Who says he's down right now? Who?
Brianna Keilar: Polls? Most of them. All of them.
Michael Cohen: ...okay.
 
kevin1025 said:
Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, is being combative on CNN right now. I think Conway and Bannon's influence on the campaign has already begun: attack the media and treat them like dirt.

Best part:

Michael Cohen: Who says he's down right now? Who?
Brianna Keilar: Polls? Most of them. All of them.
Michael Cohen: ...okay.
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The whole remainder of the campaign is gonna be like watching a teenager try to out fool their parents when they know they fucked up.
 
kevin1025 said:
Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, is being combative on CNN right now. I think Conway and Bannon's influence on the campaign has already begun: attack the media and treat them like dirt.

Best part:

Michael Cohen: Who says he's down right now? Who?
Brianna Keilar: Polls? Most of them. All of them.
Michael Cohen: ...okay.
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It's ironic, because the media is partially responsible for Trump's rise in the primaries with how they handled him with such kid gloves because he was bringing in the ratings. Him turning on them so violently is biting the hand that feeds. Just another way that makes it obvious how little Trump and the people around him understand how it all works.
 
kevin1025 said:
Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, is being combative on CNN right now. I think Conway and Bannon's influence on the campaign has already begun: attack the media and treat them like dirt.

Best part:

Michael Cohen: Who says he's down right now? Who?
Brianna Keilar: Polls? Most of them. All of them.
Michael Cohen: ...okay.
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Oh man I want to see a video of this so bad, LOL. You can try and hide from reality but it's gonna get you eventually.
 
kevin1025 said:
Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, is being combative on CNN right now. I think Conway and Bannon's influence on the campaign has already begun: attack the media and treat them like dirt.

Best part:

Michael Cohen: Who says he's down right now? Who?
Brianna Keilar: Polls? Most of them. All of them.
Michael Cohen: ...okay.
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Was watching that segment live and thought it was a skit out of SNL for a moment.
 
Lol, I love how he says "Says Who?" twice, and she has to repeat herself. I mean, it was probably just a delay feed, but I want to believe it's just shock on his part, like he's totally clueless about reality.
 
kevin1025 said:
Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, is being combative on CNN right now. I think Conway and Bannon's influence on the campaign has already begun: attack the media and treat them like dirt.

Best part:

Michael Cohen: Who says he's down right now? Who?
Brianna Keilar: Polls? Most of them. All of them.
Michael Cohen: ...okay.
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Y2Kev said:
Seriously, what is he going to do? Add another nickname to Hillary? Complain about Benghazi and emails? Say she founded ISIS? Routinely suggest she is a rape enabler? Talk about how she sleeps? Has to go to the bathroom? Should be in prison?

How much further right can you pivot? Just flat out calling her a bitch?
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Exactly, I said this at the beginning of the summer. He's pretty much maxed out his rhetoric concerning Hillary, so where does he go now, besides uttering a bitch or cunt?

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Lord Frieza said:
Lol, I love how he says "Says Who?" twice, and she has to repeat herself. I mean, it was probably just a delay feed, but I want to believe it's just shock on his part, like he's totally clueless about reality.
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It's just like when Kellyanne Conway was on CNN last night when she was fighting with Don Lemon, she said that no one's being positive about Trump's speech when, as an outreach to the African-American community, it was appallingly bad at it. They act like they can't understand how anyone sees how incompetent he is.
 
Y2Kev said:
Seriously, what is he going to do? Add another nickname to Hillary? Complain about Benghazi and emails? Say she founded ISIS? Routinely suggest she is a rape enabler? Talk about how she sleeps? Has to go to the bathroom? Should be in prison?

How much further right can you pivot? Just flat out calling her a bitch?
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They've basically already called her the devil, they've kind of hit bedrock there so they've been accusing her of stuff that their campaign is getting called out for.
 
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