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Trump risks major diplomatic dispute with China after speaking with Taiwan's prez
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Trump may have had Russian hackers on his side, but let's see how he fares against Chinese hackers.
ebullientprism
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Funny, scary and almost 100% true.
This has to be the most easily misled President of any first world country, ever. Like I bet someone on his cabinet could get him to sign off drone-ing a made up country if they wanted to.
Patrick Bateman
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Nixon fucked up cutting ties with Taiwan back in the 70s, Trump fucks up 40 years later.
No change in political style..
No change in political style..
Side note, but I remember seeing a video with actual politicians saying that Veep was closer to reality than House of Cards.
Yep, that seems accurate.
I mean, yeah. He's basically in 'Rally Trump' mode when speaking to foreign dignitaries. It worked for morons in the US, why won't it work on the global stage?
jim-jam bongs
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This is the correct answer.
radios shipping overview
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Bull in a fucking china shop.
No pun intended.
No pun intended.
Patrick Bateman
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I bet Obama will sit on some nice private beach on Hawaii and laugh his ass off about Trump.
Unknown Soldier
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There won't be a trade war with China because both nations would be crippled.
Climate Change Will Ruin Hawaii, New Study Suggests
That finally explains Trump's stance on climate change then.
China's economy hasn't been so hot, while the US is doing pretty well. Economics isn't simple. Plus that doesn't even get into China's ability to turn on a dime, because they're not a democracy and their economy is state run.
I'd be surprised if Trump even knows that, or cares.
Don't say that, you will get dumped on for being too gung-ho American
So their response would be to take away nearly 20% of their exports? They may be a state run economy(not really, but ok) but they still need money from outside sources.
Jmanunknown
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Nope Obama's gonna be living in DC for a while after he leaves office. People will most likely come to him to complain when Trump messes up something which will most likely be often given he has no experience in politics and was and is a really bad businessman.
Unscathed how? What can China do to the US that won't hurt itself as well. We're it's number one trading partner, so it's unlikely they'll try to punish us economically, and they're not crazy enough to do anything militaristically. I'm more worried about Trump's protectionist policies with regards to China then anything else he says or does.
Yep. He said he was getting back to work after a quick vacation.
Basically? Both the People's Republic of China (what we call China) and the Republic of China (what we call Taiwan) claim that they are the nation of China with all that entails. As in, the Republic of China constitutionally defines itself as both the island of Taiwan and the Chinese Mainland, while the People's Republic of China constitutionally defines itself as both the Chinese Mainland and the island of Taiwan. Both nations refuse to budge on this and refuse to even talk to each other or anyone who talks to the other, generally.
tiredheadcrab
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Not sure if you guys know this but, Hillary Clinton had a PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER.
Just remember, the real scandal was a bunch of emails.
Just remember, the real scandal was a bunch of emails.
radios shipping overview
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Would you look at that (from two weeks ago)...
THIS IS WHY YOU PUT YOUR BUSINESS IN A GODDAMNED BLIND TRUST
YOUR KIDS ARE NOT A BLIND TRUST
Will somebody please stand up to this jackass?
Patrick Bateman
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I know that he'll stay in DC. I meant that he takes a couple of weeks of holiday after his presidency.
LUFTRAUSER
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I'm eagerly anticipating the reaction of the Chinese gov't.
So insane. Hang on folks, it's gonna be a bumpy 4 years.
Spyder_Monkey
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If this were Veep or House of Cards it would be entertaining. But this could potentially cause a war.
YES!!!
Retaliation is rarely logical or symmetrical.
They could sell off their debt holdings in US bonds and cause some havok. We would retaliate, then it's off to the races.
As said previously, these things tend to start small and spiral out of control. A slight can turn into a small retaliation that turns into something huge, and nations are stuck in positions they never wanted as nationalist pour gas in the fires.
International politics is no joke, and great unintended harm can come quick to those that don't take it fucking seriously.
It's pretty much been the guiding force since WWI/WWII era ended.
Carpe Carnim
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I always love when folk's AVI quotes explain their strategic and tactical prowess. Next time, try reading beyond the headline and not reflexively playing contrarian and you might not look ignorant by not realizing the leader Trump spoke with is a woman. Please, proceed
EmpressInYellow
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It's really not. As others have said, a discussion about our relationship with Taiwan is fine. That's a reasonable thing to want.
Stumbling dick-first into a diplomatic incident because you're too goddamned stupid to know any better is not the way to go about it, but that seems to be the path Trump has chosen.
or US anything to them since most of their exports are goods from US owned companies.
It is very symbiotic relationship that goes both ways.
If China crashes US economy, they will crash theirs too. There is no point to that.
These end of the world articles are going out of control. Obama would have been championed for this and he was taking hard stance on Chinese claiming ownership of islands far away from China as it is.
radios shipping overview
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Obama doesn't have plans to open hotels in Taiwan.
Smiles and Cries
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CNN just had this same topic as breaking news.
As history goes I would side with Taiwan's right to be free and recognized, although the whole 'We Are the real China' thing is on both sides, so I understand this makes diplomatic relations between both shaky to put it mildly.
This policy change is huge and sends the wrong signals to mainland China. Now that it is done Trump needs to follow through and keep relations with Taiwan open and not back down to pressure because he needs to make this look like it was not an accident. No one wants to see the dude flip flopping with major shifts like this. smh
As history goes I would side with Taiwan's right to be free and recognized, although the whole 'We Are the real China' thing is on both sides, so I understand this makes diplomatic relations between both shaky to put it mildly.
This policy change is huge and sends the wrong signals to mainland China. Now that it is done Trump needs to follow through and keep relations with Taiwan open and not back down to pressure because he needs to make this look like it was not an accident. No one wants to see the dude flip flopping with major shifts like this. smh
Nester99
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Sounds like the same thing as when the Dalai Lama visited the White house last year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-dalailama-idUSKCN0Z02SV
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-dalailama-idUSKCN0Z02SV
radios shipping overview
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"But Obama", right?
Carpe Carnim
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We're ruled by idiots that we all have to pretend aren't, so that we don't enrage allies. Fuck it, let Trump and his fans preside over the ash heap, they deserve it. Everyone else is along for the ride now.
Unknown Soldier
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No one's going to start a war because Trump said "Hi" on the phone to Tsai Ing-Wen. I bet most of you didn't even knew the name of Taiwan's President until today.
Not a Trump supporter, but the leader of the free world shouldn't have to ask permission to make a phone call because he's afraid of what the mean girls will think. We should be recognizing Taiwan in the first place.
This is a co-dependent situation, no reason why we should be more scared of them than they are of us. China should shut up and keep getting rich by selling us their products.
This is a co-dependent situation, no reason why we should be more scared of them than they are of us. China should shut up and keep getting rich by selling us their products.
It's not the same thing at all.
A) Obama knows what he's doing, not because he personally is so smart but because these decisions were made after careful considerations by foreign policy experts in the WH and elsewhere in the administration,
B) none of Obama's decisions had the potential to fundamentally upend the status quo of the US's 'One China' policy; the purpose was to show possible retaliations over China's actions in the South China Sea, i.e. usual diplomatic back and forth,
C) Trump's action today was, at best, a dangerous gaffe, at worst it signals a fundamental shift in US foreign policy, not made after careful considerations of the potential advantages and disadvantages of such an action, but apparently because the transition team of the President-elect told him to take a phone call.
I'm actually for open communication among world leaders and don't think we should be beholden to China's perspective on Taiwan, so - without really knowing the potential consequences of this - I'm actually glad for the breach. We need to be talking with everyone.
On the other hand, sometime soon Trump is going to really step in it because of his clear ignorance of international relations, and create a huge mess. (If he hasn't already.)
On the other hand, sometime soon Trump is going to really step in it because of his clear ignorance of international relations, and create a huge mess. (If he hasn't already.)
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