Yup.
The problem is what is he going to do with that "proof". I don't like where this is going.
Trump will ask for investigation into alleged voter fraud
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Yup.
The problem is what is he going to do with that "proof". I don't like where this is going.
I love how none of the headlines repeating this mention he's just repeating what Republicans have been saying for years.
They should read;
"Trump joins the Republican Party's long time claims of mass minority voter fraud."
Amazing how they got the Voting Rights Act thrown out, then multiple red states immediately went to work targeting minority voters, which led to 5 of those states having there redistricting or voting systems thrown out as racist by their own Republican courts. (including texas!), and they're not held responsible for any of it and will continue to claim massive fraud anyway.
And they know they can. If I recall correctly, not a single damn question was asked about this at any of the three debates.
They should read;
"Trump joins the Republican Party's long time claims of mass minority voter fraud."
Amazing how they got the Voting Rights Act thrown out, then multiple red states immediately went to work targeting minority voters, which led to 5 of those states having there redistricting or voting systems thrown out as racist by their own Republican courts. (including texas!), and they're not held responsible for any of it and will continue to claim massive fraud anyway.
And they know they can. If I recall correctly, not a single damn question was asked about this at any of the three debates.
Fancyarcher
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Because of his ego.
Gaf - how is needing identification and valid voter registration bad again? I seriously am asking... So Trump investigates and finds voter fraud and puts measures in place to stop it...that seems good, no? Trump investigates and finds no voter fraud and we have mandatory voter ID needed from here on?..that seems reasonable.
I live in a state that needs ID and it is no big deal. I can do it online with my DL#. I need ID for almost literally everything else important..and voting is a big deal so...I guess I am pretty confused at the negative reaction... I mean if we could fingerprint or put the voting machine data into a blockchain...I would be for it. For poor people..you need ID for welfare..so they have it. I need it for smokes booze to get on a plane or a train...get medicine at the pharmacy but not to vote?
The only reason I WOULDN'T want voter id is if I wanted to do shady stuff. Is this just because the democrat strongholds (IL,NY, CA) don't have voter ID laws currently and this is perceived as an attack on dems?
I live in a state that needs ID and it is no big deal. I can do it online with my DL#. I need ID for almost literally everything else important..and voting is a big deal so...I guess I am pretty confused at the negative reaction... I mean if we could fingerprint or put the voting machine data into a blockchain...I would be for it. For poor people..you need ID for welfare..so they have it. I need it for smokes booze to get on a plane or a train...get medicine at the pharmacy but not to vote?
The only reason I WOULDN'T want voter id is if I wanted to do shady stuff. Is this just because the democrat strongholds (IL,NY, CA) don't have voter ID laws currently and this is perceived as an attack on dems?
EdibleKnife
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Ryan and the rest of the republican party, shouldn't be smiling and smirking at this as if it's some sort of silly grandpa moment. This is fucking dangerous and they'd be worried if they actually took this seriously and didn't have their own agenda for manipulating Trump's insecurities.
Because the studies HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. Voter fraud at a noticeable level let alone Trump's national conspiracy level is a dream and the only reason republicans want to do it, just like with redistricting, is to reduce the voter rights of the people they know will not overwhelmingly vote for them AKA racial, gender, sexual or religious minorities because of their backward policies. This is not about fraud, it's about restriction.
There are costs and hurdles associated with having an ID. I'm sure others can go into this at greater detail, but in general voter ID laws target and discriminate against low income and minority voters as they are less likely to have ID, live further away from places like the DMV so travel and paying for travel is an issue, time is an issue as a lot of DMV's get closed so they have to travel further take more time off work etc.
Its not like "EVERYONE HAS ID"
And certain forms of ID are not allowed and are restricted.
Ask yourself why along with this voter ID bullshit there never seems to be a push to make sure every person has an ID and its easy to get?
Voter ID is an effort to get less people to vote and thats all it is. Has nothing to do with voter fraud which is statistically non-existent and nearly non-existent in reality.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Photo IDs cost money. Can pretty much guarantee you a welfare ID / public access card wouldn't "count".
SerAardvark
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Because the amount of voter fraud is extremely low and such measures disproportionately target those who cannot easily pay for or access the system/mechanisms needed for voter ID and similar laws (i.e. the poor, minorities and younger voters). There's a reason Voter ID laws are so popular among Republicans - they artificially suppress Democratic turnout.
If the ID was free and money/effort was spent to make sure everyone got theirs, maybe there would be a case for it, though it'd still be an expensive solution for a largely nonexistent problem. As it is, it's a purely political move designed to attack the most vulnerable of voters.
because the costs associated with IDs can make getting them infeasible for low-income individuals
The only way this will work is if you introduce mandatory ID laws, comparable to Germany.
That means everyone over the age of 16 has to have a ID as required by law, and it's easy to get and relatively cheap. Basically another social security card.
You better believe we are. We always do.
What better way to stroke an old mad mans ego, disenfranchise voters and over all make our country worse, than by using tax payer dollars.
Hell remember those 10+ benghazi investigations you paid for? Money well spent, as always.
But look out! somewhere poor black people are voting, priorities!
Remember:
After requiring voter ID, Alabama closed 31 DMV locations, most in predominantly black counties. http://www.governing.com/topics/pol...rivers-license-offices-In-clack-counties.html
After requiring voter ID, Alabama closed 31 DMV locations, most in predominantly black counties. http://www.governing.com/topics/pol...rivers-license-offices-In-clack-counties.html
Yup. And Republicans will never allow that.
Again, it's amazing how *Republican* courts in *Republican* states including Texas have thrown these things out becuase of how racist they are and the reaction from people is, "Why don't the Democrats want this? They must have something to hide."
You do not need a government-issued photo ID for welfare, taking a plane or a train. You don't need one to buy the vast majority of medication either. Putting aside the practical reality that most adults do not need ID to buy cigarettes or booze, it's irrelevant anyway as smoking and drinking are privileges that many people do not partake in.
You think everything requires a government issued photo ID because you have one and it is generally the easiest option when something requires identification. In fact, some strict photo ID voting laws even have no problem with alternatives -- as long as they are options predominately held by Republican voters.
Yeah. Voter of laws themselves are not the problem, which is why people openly can praise them without seeming like jerks. Who wouldn't want some extra effort to make sure votes are valid
It's what happens as a result of the laws that no one talks about: making it a pain in the ass to get an ID if you are poor. And since poor people usually are liberal, and racially segregated in cities that can cherry pick ways to make it harder to gain ID, there is a reason only republicans push this concept. Sadly, I don't even know if liberals fight to make IDs easier to get, because that's the real solution. Fighting for the right to vote without checks and ID is a losing concept that intuitively makes no sense
Particle Physicist
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You need an ID for controlled substances. Why do you have controlled substances prescribed to you?
I've frequently dropped off and picked up prescriptions for family members without any type of ID whatsoever.
Press really should not have been asking about an investigation.
He called the bluff, will find some fake stuff, and implement voter suppression.
He honestly does feel like a Russian plant.
US criticizes Russian elections? Putin tells Donnie to cast doubt on US elections.
He called the bluff, will find some fake stuff, and implement voter suppression.
He honestly does feel like a Russian plant.
US criticizes Russian elections? Putin tells Donnie to cast doubt on US elections.
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Hilarious how the first one they found who committed voter fraud according to Trump's own words is Steve Bannon lol.
If you look back to the motor voter bill in the 90's it's the same thing. Democrats wanted to make it easier for people to register to vote when getting a licence because doing so would have skewed much younger and young people overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
Republicans want strict ID laws because it will skew the votes in their favor. They don't care about voter fraud.
...and what "shady shit" do you think people could possibly do? It's a 5 year prison sentence and a felony. Do you really think people are risking their lives to cast one extra vote for any candidate?
It's just not happening.
CrispyBoar
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Elderly people who don't drive and don't work are fairly unlikely to have a valid Driver's license. They may have an expired license, but for states implemented these strict ID laws that isn't going to cut it.
Also, there are large chunks of people who use public transit in larger cities and may also have expired IDs.
Why should these people not be allowed to vote?
That idea that "ID is good, what's the harm?" is EXACTLY what the GOP are counting on, that on paper, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. It conceals their true motive, suppressing minority votes:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...0c1087f7583_story.html?utm_term=.6ac984e2bc8d
Every state already requires voters to provide identification either when registering or when voting for the same time. The fight against strict photo ID laws is a fight against making it harder to get the appropriate ID. There are broader issues with making the specific IDs the GOP wants to accept easier to get
The wider the net, the thinner it becomes. This sort of deceit really starts to get put under the microscope the more you try to work it, and the media is doing its job in pressing the question.
If they try to fake 3-4 million votes, that'd be utterly devastating to the US but also to the Presidency because there's no way any state would accept that result and the whole thing would be flung into chaos.
Trump has a huge ego and when things don't go well for him he lashes out. I guarantee if he won the popular vote he would not even look twice at the voting system.
Vigilant Walrus
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*press conference
"As you can see, there was one case of voter fraud from 1955"
Grizzle_Dat
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Guess you have to hand it to Trump on this one. He turned a debate about crowd size into pushing Voter ID laws.
Do you think he plans this... I think we elected Cpt Jack Sparrow..
Do you think he plans this... I think we elected Cpt Jack Sparrow..
Please CNN and other media sources, continue to KEEP THE LEDE. He is LYING. This is FALSE. There is NO voter fraud.
This is the only way we fight this. Headlines have to keep calling this out.
Rygar 8 Bit
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you didnt win the popular vote no one likes you get over it
GillianSeed79
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Apparently Bannon is registered to vote in two state, according to the Guardian. Maybe there is some voter fraud going on...hmmmmm....
So they going to investigate electioms where democrats have won since 1952?
killer rin
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10$ says he rigs the report to make himself look correct in saying "millions" of cases
IceDoesntHelp
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Netherscourge
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He'll change his tweet from registered in two states to voted in two states, to cover his ass.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Tiffany is registered in two states as well.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Well, whatever they find out doesn't matter
The next best thing to state run media is having the President just say "whatever the media says is a lie"
Velcro Fly
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2020 re-election campaign starts here
How many people is this going to disenfranchise?
How many people is this going to disenfranchise?
Dude Abides
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Yeah but she voted against him so that just helps his argument.
EmCeeGramr
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Jesus goddamned Christ https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/824387036803166208
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