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[Vibranium]

I could. but it's all about first hand experience. watching a video of someone playing is different from actually playing it yourself. one must understand how fulfilling it is to actually be playing the game. you will understand what i''m saying when you guys get your hands on the game.

You know what? You're totally right! It's like immersing yourself in GTAV, the first-hand experience is what will show the true spirit of Alex's adventure!

 

[Anustart]

illness have swept the island. OMG what could it have been.

HAHAHA, Bieber fever and One Direction illness, this game is so great and warm hearted! I LOVE the writing, YOU GO KENZIE!

 

[Dead Prince]

guys. this is almost Zelda puzzle complicated.

i can't figure out how to upon the phoenix. i can't leave the temple. if i was suppose to touch the status i can't. the objects are blocking my way.

so i will end it here.

 

[Dead Prince]

Here's the game credit. see if you can spot your name

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vin8YlOpd8E&feature=youtu.be

 

[inm8num2]

Looks like Philip Tan did a great job with the game.

Hey, if the kid actually worked on and helped design the game more power to her. Nobody in here has anything against a kid wanting to make a game.

Our issue was with Susan's scam-infested background, her persistent lies, her aggression toward critics and subsequent use of her kid as a shield, and basically her childish behavior overall.

 

[foobarry81]

I can't believe how Kenzie learned to write better than a 43yo entrepreneur (and even avoid the abundance of RANDOM CAPITALIZATION those people usually use), learned how to make a generic looking game with RPGMaker aaaanddd... on top of that learned french in just a couple of months. Oh wait no... there are a lot of capitals after all...

And all of this thanks to the $24k of the backers. Kudos to the believers and rock on Kenzie!

Also, DMPrince, it seems like you had more than just 15 minutes of godlike fun.

 

[Diggeh]

It's...beautiful!

I've been sitting here all day in my koozie waiting for this very moment! Susan is the best!

In fact, I think I'll buy multiple copies for friends. Y'know, when it gets on Steam! )))))))))))))))))

YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!11 TAKE THAT BROTHERS@@@@@

Spoiler

What filth.

 

[Dead Prince]

so i bought Bioshock Infinite earlier on steam thanks to the sweet deal. i played it after Truth and Trolls. Guess what? i didn't like it. not to be biased but Truth and Trolls pretty much have set a new standard in gaming for me. I've been touched in many ways by the dialogue, the music (omg. the music. credits to the composer), everything about the game can't be topped. just wished i had the next chapter. seriously. how did none of the backs here not get the game yet?

 

[MBison]

So did one of you play through it all? How long was it?

 

[Dead Prince]

So did one of you play through it all? How long was it?

there's a bug in the game so it was like a total of 5 minutes. 10 minutes if you read real slow.

 

[foobarry81]

there's a bug in the game so it was like a total of 5 minutes. 10 minutes if you read real slow.

You mean the altar preventing you from moving on? If thát is really a bug (instead of an intentional thing), then what have they been doing in more than a month of "final beta testing"?

Anyway, you have reported this to Susan, right?

 

[MBison]

Wow seriously?

 

[Dead Prince]

You mean the altar preventing you from moving on? If thát is really a bug (instead of an intentional thing), then what have they been doing in more than a month of "final beta testing"?

Anyway, you have reported this to Susan, right?

idk honestly. i tapped spacebar/enter to find a way to do something . i couldn't even leave the place. it looks like something isn't triggering me to allow me to get out. the only time the exit triggered was when i entered for the first time and i tried to leave. Trinity told me to get her shield. so i did. and still nothing. just ended up stuck. i checked the skills page. nothing. checked items. nothing. i can't call this so called guardian Phoenix so i can get aide from the white tiger.

yeah i emailed her about it.

 

[foobarry81]

idk honestly. i tapped spacebar/enter to find a way to do something . i couldn't even leave the place. it looks like something isn't triggering me to allow me to get out. the only time the exit triggered was when i entered for the first time and i tried to leave. Trinity told me to get her shield. so i did. and still nothing. just ended up stuck. i checked the skills page. nothing. checked items. nothing. i can't call this so called guardian Phoenix so i can get aide from the white tiger.

yeah i emailed her about it.

Well, still sounds like they haven't really tested it themselves. But hey, why would you when you have backers to take advantage off?

 

[Dead Prince]

Well, still sounds like they haven't really tested it themselves. But hey, why would you when you have backers to take advantage off?

Chapter 1: Broken Promises

Title suits the game well.

 

[foobarry81]

Chapter 1: Broken Promises

Title suits the game well.

Well ofcourse, this whole "project" is just Susan trolling both backers and naysayers.

 

[Dead Prince]

Well ofcourse, this whole "project" is just Susan trolling both backers and naysayers.

well i'm a believer

also.

there's a folder in the game that contains 456mb for audio.

all these assets she imported in the game is going to waste. @FundHer please send me the RPGMaker VX Ace file so i can fix the game for you.

 

[mre]

well i'm a believer

also.

there's a folder in the game that contains 456mb for audio.

all these assets she imported in the game is going to waste. @FundHer please send me the RPGMaker VX Ace file so i can fix the game for you.

Each subsequent chapter will be unlocked with a 100 kb file. The whole game is already contained in the original download.

 

[MBison]

What is the audio? Music? Or is their voice?

 

[Dead Prince]

What is the audio? Music? Or is their voice?

edit:

Its just audio and whatnot for the game. there's some redundancy in there. but whatever. she got 3 song by Gorlami whoever that is.

 

[mattiewheels]

.

 

[Dead Prince]

There's only 2 chapters in this game btw. found a way to see the game

at least how she named it in the project


full overworld

surprisingly well made for a 9 year old girl.

 

[foobarry81]

surprisingly well made for a 9 year old girl.

Yeah, like you said, you are a believer. ;-)

Even though Susan clearly said that Kenzie could not have made this game without the $24K (with which they hired some people.).
But that was never the point of this "project". Give me $24K and I'll have my nearly 1 year old niece make her first RPG too.

 

[Dead Prince]

Yeah, like you said, you are a believer. ;-)

Even though Susan clearly said that Kenzie could not have made this game without the $24K (with which they hired some people.).
But that was never the point of this "project". Give me $24K and I'll have my nearly 1 year old niece make her first RPG too.

Sounds like a future KS project in the making. heck. teaching my dog to create his own engine.

 

[Dead Prince]

Update - Alright. i fixed the game for her. she triggered a clear event so the other stuff never triggered. i'm now able to leave the the place. i now i can continue the journey to find out who turned my parents to stone so i can pay them for what they've done.


I am beginning the exploration part of the game. i'm at her entrance and plan to go deep inside and poke around to see what secret i can extract..

have to keep kenzie props. you are NOT allowed into a party's house until you switch them to be leader. then you'll be able to enter.

masterfully executed. *Bows*

EDIT: ran into another event issue. stuck in Fallon's House. Let me edit and we'll continue the journey.

BTW. i'm going to the different party member's house to get their equipment.

First was Trinity. Currently at Fallon's. Next stop is Dell.

 

[NotMyUsername]

There's only 2 chapters in this game btw. found a way to see the game

at least how she named it in the project


full overworld

http://i2.minus.com/jZTyIbdKMRTmj.png[IMG]

surprisingly well made for a 9 year old girl.[/QUOTE]

If it's really a nine-year-old girl doing all the work then nothing to really fault here but be aware that the overworld is a slightly modified version of the first sample map within RPG Maker. I could post a shot of the sample map if you want to compare but she removes some islands and added her own. Looks like the vast majority of the map was left untouched. Also the screenshot posted lower that's more zoomed in with trees is from a sample map. I'm going to say that most of the world content is just slightly altered versions of the sample maps.

Again, at nine-years-old that's mostly fine (aside from having a huge budget and helpers which makes it more questionable). Just thought I'd let you know just in case you weren't aware.

 

[mrpeabody]

Why would you pay money to play an RPG designed by a nine-year-old?

Kickstarter makes people stupid.

 

[inm8num2]

Why would you pay money to play an RPG designed by a nine-year-old?

Because a 40-something entrepreneur has conned you into thinking you're a part of something bigger.

Kickstarter makes people stupid.

That is true. Kickstarter in its worst form is basically gambling or investing without any ROI. A "project creator" like Susan gets $25k for little effort and leaves people thinking they've made a difference in the world.

 

[ThreePiMatt]

Hey, seriously. Can we mark spoilers in this thread? Maybe some of us want to experience it on our own when the game fully releases.

 

[Shaneus]

Hey, seriously. Can we mark spoilers in this thread? Maybe some of us want to experience it on our own when the game fully releases.

Reckon you're safe in that probably won't happen.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

If it's really a nine-year-old girl doing all the work then nothing to really fault here but be aware that the overworld is a slightly modified version of the first sample map within RPG Maker. I could post a shot of the sample map if you want to compare but she removes some islands and added her own. Looks like the vast majority of the map was left untouched. Also the screenshot posted lower that's more zoomed in with trees is from a sample map. I'm going to say that most of the world content is just slightly altered versions of the sample maps.

Again, at nine-years-old that's mostly fine (aside from having a huge budget and helpers which makes it more questionable). Just thought I'd let you know just in case you weren't aware.

I'd love to see the original maps and assets from RPG maker, for comparison. This whole story is quite intriguing in itself.

 

[NotMyUsername]

I'd love to see the original maps and assets from RPG maker, for comparison. This whole story is quite intriguing in itself.

 

[statham]

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Dead Prince]

why would someone go out of their way to copy kenzie's map. smells fishy.

 

[inm8num2]

I blame Philip Tan at MIT's Games Lab. He really dropped the ball on the world design.

 

[Zukuu]

lmao at the preset map hahahah. this thing is the biggest scam in history of kickstarter.

 

[Bollocks]

lmao at the preset map hahahah. this thing is the biggest scam in history of kickstarter.

So wait, is the preset map for real?
I can't tell anymore

 

[NotMyUsername]

Most the other screenshots could be matched to other sample maps included with some alterations, typically just dropping things like plants around and other objects like that. There's a couple that don't look as directly copied but look similar enough to the samples that they likely just spent a little more time editing those sections to add an extra room or change a little bit more of the flooring layout. Amusingly the area that's broken, something to do with interacting with the Phoenix or something, looks like a fairly heavily edited section of the "Temple" sample map to the point that they placed too many things and broke the ability to progress.

But doing quick skims it's pretty easy to see that everything looks to be sample maps with some changes, most of which are extremely minor with a few that look to be a bit more extensive in which I mean they did more than add plant life and might have actually added to the overall size of a sample map and not just decorate it.

I'm not posting this to pick on a nine-year-old girl. If this was done alone by her then that's extremely commendable that it appears from DMPrince's post that she's working the program out, figuring out basic scripting stuff, and generally making a first RPG Maker game. But considering the money that should be going into having people help make the game as well as used to better educate it makes things a slight bit more questionable.

I disagree with the Kickstarter thing as a whole, as some may recall me posting much more frequently while it was going on, but I also don't want it to seem like I don't think a young girl should pursue this. But this is something that could have just as easily been done with no money involved experimenting on her own.

Edit:

So wait, is the preset map for real?
I can't tell anymore

Absolutely. Earlier in the Kickstarter thread I showed a couple other comparison shots when they first uploaded screenshots which were all direct copies of sample maps with a character placed on them. I didn't make any edits to try to make it look as similar, nor did I do anything as crazy as recreate her overworld map with some small edits to try to make it appear like she was copying a sample map. You can go download the trial of RPG VX Ace or whatever it is that I downloaded for free and see for yourself.

 

[inm8num2]

For a 9-year-old doing this on her own - quite fine.

For a 43-year-old using a 9-year-old to market a game as a symbol of something bigger in order to promote her own entrepreneurial brand and try to position herself as a forerunner of women in STEM and gaming (evidenced by failed attempts to create her own coding camps) - unsurprising.

Also, have the text and comments from the recent backers only update been posted yet?

 

[VGChampion]

For a 9-year-old doing this on her own - quite fine.

For a 43-year-old using a 9-year-old to market a game as a symbol of something bigger in order to promote her own entrepreneurial brand and try to position herself as a forerunner of women in STEM and gaming (evidenced by failed attempts to create her own coding camps) - unsurprising.

Also, have the text and comments from the recent backers only update been posted yet?

This is basically it. If she really did the game on her own, I don't see anything wrong with the actual game. If someone else made the game, it's lazy and expected. If someone else made the game trying to make it bad so it looks like a kid did it, well, don't know what to say to that.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I disagree with the Kickstarter thing as a whole, as some may recall me posting much more frequently while it was going on, but I also don't want it to seem like I don't think a young girl should pursue this. But this is something that could have just as easily been done with no money involved experimenting on her own.

This is my opinion as well. Even if a 9 year old was working on this thing exclusively, Kickstarter shouldn't be the way to do it. Kids should be encouraged by their parents to develop hobbies and use their free time to explore different skills and talents. Parents are responsible for providing economic support so their children are able to do this.

 

[Dusk Golem]

Alright, somehow even though I tried paying for the game and got refunded twice, I received the game anyway. I will go forth and pay anyway because I am a good person who doesn't like to be a cheater on these things, but anyways, gave the game a fair shake, made a video as we already have a text and video person.

Sorry for the groggyness though, I literally just woke up and saw it in my email. I don't play to criticize, I will let others form their own opinions. I've made the video unlisted, and will only post the link here. Here was as far as I got in Truth & Trolls in my groggy blind playthrough:

http://youtu.be/sPoOnHVsnyA

 

[Dead Prince]

Alright, somehow even though I tried paying for the game and got refunded twice, I received the game anyway. I will go forth and pay anyway because I am a good person who doesn't like to be a cheater on these things, but anyways, gave the game a fair shake, made a video as we already have a text and video person.

Sorry for the groggyness though, I literally just woke up and saw it in my email. I don't play to criticize, I will let others form their own opinions. I've made the video unlisted, and will only post the link here. Here was as far as I got in Truth & Trolls in my groggy blind playthrough:

http://youtu.be/sPoOnHVsnyA

how did you feel after you played the game. was it as amazing as you hoped it was.

i'm going to assume that the "beta" had planted issue because you seem to get a different game.

 

[foobarry81]

Alright, somehow even though I tried paying for the game and got refunded twice, I received the game anyway. I will go forth and pay anyway because I am a good person who doesn't like to be a cheater on these things, but anyways, gave the game a fair shake, made a video as we already have a text and video person.

Sorry for the groggyness though, I literally just woke up and saw it in my email. I don't play to criticize, I will let others form their own opinions. I've made the video unlisted, and will only post the link here. Here was as far as I got in Truth & Trolls in my groggy blind playthrough:

http://youtu.be/sPoOnHVsnyA

Lol, the game crashing on you without having saved was funny. Well, I guess it wasn't all that funny to you. ;-)

Seems like Susan put in some product placement in the game. A character named Dell, and the Alienware logo at the back of a Tower of Dell... that probably landed her an extra Alienware laptop.

 

[inm8num2]

So...IndieCade was this weekend and the "Crowdfunding: Do you feel lucky?" panel was on Friday.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/5/48...-learned-from-kickstarter-success-and-failure

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...ice_you_will_ever_hear_about_crowdfunding.php

Joining Romero on the panel were Max Temkin (Cards Against Humanity), Chris Avellone (Project Eternity, Wasteland 2) and nine-year-old Kenzie Wilson, who with her entrepreneur mother Susan launched a Kickstarter to fund her admission to a game development summer camp. Each brought a distinct perspective to the panel's topic.

And so help you if you miss a delivery date, said Temkin, who described encounters with irate backers who refused to accept any reason for a delay. Wilson reported a similar experience, saying some commenters on her and her daughter's project refused to believe so much money had gone into shipping physical rewards -- and demanded that she post receipts.

While everyone on the panel noted that understanding donors would always outnumber the "trolls," Wilson encouraged project creators to "get creative" with low-impact rewards, and Temkin advised creators to be generous with their own timeline. Delivering early, after all, was always better than delivering late.

Susan Wilson, a successful entrepreneur, said she was shocked and aghast by the outpouring of negativity she and her daughter experienced because of the campaign.

"We asked for $829. We received over $20,000," said Wilson. "People asked what we were going to do with the extra and were outraged when I said I didn't know. It was not okay to say 'I don't know.'"

Wilson's critics accused her of fraud, even going so far as to suggest her daughter Kenzie -- seated beside her at the panel -- did not actually exist. She admitted that she had no idea at the time the sort of charged atmosphere she had been heading into -- one in which, as Romero reminded the audience, Anita Sarkeesian had also just raised a substantial amount over her funding target, to skepticism and outrage from a vocal minority of detractors.

"Anyone with a dollar has an opinion," said Romero.

"People get very emotional about [crowdfunding]," Temkin offered. Because Kickstarter and similar services offer a tremendous amount of empowerment to both project creators and prospective backers, he said, it becomes a hot issue even for the uninvolved.

"That's just a result of the technology being new and [the fact that] we don't yet have the language to talk about it," Temkin concluded.

 

[Dictator93]

Welp. She got away with it. They took 20,000 from some suckers and kickstarter does nothing.

Man this sours my mouth.

 

[witchedwiz]

Yeah, like you said, you are a believer. ;-)

Even though Susan clearly said that Kenzie could not have made this game without the $24K (with which they hired some people.).
But that was never the point of this "project". Give me $24K and I'll have my nearly 1 year old niece make her first RPG too.

Seconded brah.
If,IF, she made it all on her own kudos, but i'm not a believer..
Plus.. Design by? Music by?
And how old is kenzie? Because the dimension of the world map for starter is something that i am really adamant to attribute to a young girl, lest she has played old school Zelda/adventure in general... But among my nicknames (ponzio pilato being my favourite) that my friends like to call me, in this case the most apt is St. Thomas...

Some of you could say " you get trash and you complain, you get something remotely nice and you complain as well"..
Well given the whole thing i'm prone to associate the very name of suSCAM to scam, to pardon me for being a bit skeptic about the motherhood of the whole project...

Edit: ok the map that seemed too elaborate is as a matter of fact the very sample map of rpg maker.... Is there a limit to shamefulness for the Wilson duo?

 

[Twinduct]

So safe to assume that no one called out Susan/ Mckenzie on any of the overwhelming evidence of deceitfulness during the panel? Not even a small burn like 'How's the wine treating you Mckenzie?

 

[inm8num2]

So safe to assume that no one called out Susan/ Mckenzie on any of the overwhelming evidence of deceitfulness during the panel? Not even a small burn like 'How's the wine treating you Mckenzie?

I'm sure Brenda Romero had all panel attendees fully vetted before it started to prevent such an unfair situation for Susan to face actual, legitimate questions.

 

[foobarry81]

So...IndieCade was this weekend and the "Crowdfunding: Do you feel lucky?" panel was on Friday.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/5/48...-learned-from-kickstarter-success-and-failure

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...ice_you_will_ever_hear_about_crowdfunding.php

Well, another shameful display of Susan's disingenuity, I guess.

She goes: "I can't say I don't know how to spend the money.". Ofcourse you can, but not for 6 months ongoing. And she "forgot" to mention how she then made up some fake budget where she needed $2500 for a laptop she actually got for free.

Also she goes: "They want me to show receipts showing how I spent the $24k." Well, yes ofcourse, because you're obviously lying about it. She could've asked Chris Avellone on the panel to confirm that Obsidian also spent half of the KS money on reward fullfilment, because, according to Susan, "everyone who's done a KS knows, you'll spend half of the money on KS fullfilment." Clearly a missed opportunity there.

But had we expected otherwise?

Anyway, Brenda Romero turns out to be equally condescending: ""Anyone with a dollar has an opinion," said Romero."
Really, Brenda? You ask for people's money, telling them you want not only their money, but also their help (because that's what all these KS project creators always say), and then this...? Seems like she's still trying to cope with her failed project...