Tulipanzo
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4K UI 4GB
Astrobot 157GB
Somebody who's good at design help me budget this, my memory space is dying
Astrobot 157GB
Somebody who's good at design help me budget this, my memory space is dying
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Well, at least you can add a third-party fourth-generation PCIe NVME SSD. I'm getting a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro for my PS5 when it becomes available.
FlyyGOD
Member
Microsoft did same thing with one x. They made UI 1080p to allocate more resources to developers.
The Xbox Series X UI reportedly runs at only 1080p - KitGuru
When Sony recently revealed its newly revamped PlayStation 5 User Interface, one of the points that
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BluRayHiDef
Banned
The slow read and write speed of a normal drive would bottleneck the rest of the system, causing users' navigation of the UI to be slow.
TheContact
Member
OPs video looks like FUD, plus those shots look like it came from the dev kit and not the retail unit. I'd be extremely shocked to see the SSD being in the 600GB range, especially since Sony opted for an 825GB instead of a 1TB
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Kinda what I figured too. Thanks for the response
Tulipanzo
Member
That's not a sound argument though, it just shows that XBox's UI is way too bloated (which is a problem with Windows 10 as well). A UI that doesn't have to run on older hardware could look better, have more features, without needing as much space, which is what PS5 has.Microsoft did same thing with one x. They made UI 1080p to allocate more resources to developers.
.The Xbox Series X UI reportedly runs at only 1080p - KitGuru
When Sony recently revealed its newly revamped PlayStation 5 User Interface, one of the points that
Tulipanzo
Member
Two likely options:
1) The system tests drive speed, then classifies it as either "storage-only" or "game viable" for PS5 games
2) All internal drives need to meet the speed test for playability or are rejected
#Phonepunk#
Banned
I have a fiber connection so disk space is not a consideration at all for me.
Besides that's still plenty of space. God of War isn't even a full 50GB. You could fully install 13 AAA games before you start running low on space.
Besides that's still plenty of space. God of War isn't even a full 50GB. You could fully install 13 AAA games before you start running low on space.
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Zambatoh
Member
Well no, you can't. The PS4 frequently complains about no having no space to install when you still have 40+GBs left to use.
I expect the PS5 will still have the same problem. So you really have even less space then you think.
Blond
Banned
For once I could use the "I understand that reference" gif but I'm too lazy to post it
01011001
Banned
the PS5 will not have this problem.
hell even the PS4 didn't have it untill Sony changed the way PS4 games update.
the whole "copying" shit after downloading Updates is something patched in like 3 years ago. older games don't have that.
what happens there is the system downloads the whole patch first and then installs it, and after that THE ENTIRE GAME gets copied and pasted basically (in order to defragment the data... which in theory makes loading faster but in reality this makes almost no real difference)
this is why even if you only download a 50MB update for a game, you still need free space of the size of the entire game in order to update it.
so 200GB Call of Duty needs 200GB of empty space to update each time.
on an SSD this will be completely useless and therefore removed.
BUT maybe PS4 games will still operate this way regardless since they are not designed for SSDs and might still need to go through this update process.
as for fresh game installs, I mean, I hope they change that as well, hell the Xbox 360 even had on the fly installation of games and so does the Xbox One, so you always only need marginally more space on the drive than the final game install ends up to be, vs. on PS4 where you need about twice the space of the final game install size.
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a multicultural team of v
Member
Cerny specifically talks about this in his presentation and explains why it was bad on the PS4 and why it won't be on the PS5.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I hate this! Drives me nuts. Destiny is the worst for this too. You need 100+ gigs to install a 3 gig patch.
Also, games won't be smaller next generation, they will be larger.
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Jaxcellent
Member
I might wait this out till they release a 1.5TB model...for the same price...
01011001
Banned
are there official retail boxes of the PS5?
if so, yes and they should get sued if true... I kinda doubt they would do that tho, since that would be beyond stupid of them.
in the Series X it's not false advertising since it has a 1TB SSD.
SSD sizes never get listed with usable space but with total size
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Technically true on series x, really really really misleading however manufacturers have gotten away with it for so long, not going to be an issue except for some stupid idiot looking for a payday.
Definitely false on PS5 so unlikely to happen.
alabtrosMyster
Member
This is a fake good idea, we will end up with lossy compression used on audio and textures... That will makes games worse looking.
WelshBluebird
Member
Since when for the PS5 exactly?
The images released of the box make no mention of storage capacity.
And given they have been upfront and specifically said it is a 825GB SSD (rather than trying to spin it as a "custom 1TB" or similar), I'd be very surprised if they had 1TB written on the box.
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Self
Member
Not to mention the option to deselect online mode when installing or downloading games. Big plus for me.
TigerKnee
Member
Ok so what do you want them to do? Increase it to 2TB so that the console can be $699? Come on people. Get an external drive and swap out the games. You people whining should really think about the benefits of having an SSD in the first place. Maybe that will calm you down a bit (who am I kidding?)
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FrankWza
Member
And not just any SSD. The best and fastest available, anywhere.
01011001
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except for those faster ones on PC of course
FrankWza
Member
there are faster drives available? Which one? The980 pro I thought couldn't becauseof its architecture?
Grumpy Toe Nail
Banned
Yea but what about those fast load times, not very fast if you have to keep moving games around before you play. Also having to get a slow external hdd is just wasted money imo that could've gone to a bigger internal. its also more cumbersome for a console that's already massive.
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01011001
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there are some that already claim PS5 compatibility, which means they have to be faster, fast enough in fact to overcome the missing access levels the internal one has.
Ps5ProFoSho
Member
This is actually disappointing but super easy to get over. I will just have to prioritize and finish games. Not really a big deal.
FrankWza
Member
I'm not sure if that is true. Maybe someone else could chime in. I'm pretty sure there aren't drives that are faster yet.
Soodanim
Member
Forgive me if it's been covered somewhere in the last 330 posts, but if the capacity is so low, and the possibility of games running from an external HDD is so high, what happens when you load a multiplayer game and one sod is playing from HDD? Everyone waits for that person to load in? Or does the console enforce something to not ruin the experience?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The console simply won't allow next-gen games from anything external, as in hooked up to USB.
For internal we don't know what restrictions are actually in place; but at worst someone could put in a slower NVME drive, since that's all that would fit... but Sony might have put real restrictions in place like the OS does a quick speed test or something, we don't know yet. If they didn't, then the worst someone could do is still a pretty fast drive all things considered.
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Soodanim
Member
That's good. I wonder if they will only allow certain NVME models to maintain a certain speed level for all. Can't allow the speed to be undermined within a year because no one can fit a game on.
WalterSobchak
Member
That's a paltry amount of storage. I wish 2 tb was the standard for next gen. Ah well.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah I'm curious what will happen myself; Sony just hasn't said anything about it since the initial Cerny presentation where he indicated they will release a compatibility list but they don't expect to have that list ready until next year.
If it becomes a problem Sony can always patch into the firmware better "SSD testing" stuff. If I was a betting man, I'd bet the system isn't going to restrict the internal but leave it up to the users to use a drive that is fast enough to not expect problems. At least at launch.
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Yselacrey00
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Walmart.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
So what you guys don't talk about is the extra amount of space just isn't because of multi resume. It's to store paged memory. That's really the magic sauce behind both these new consoles. With the faster io you can quickly move data in and out of ram from the ssd. So of course to be able to do this you are going to need to allocate more space for the os than last gen. And since no one knows the sweet spot of how much.. I bet Sony is holding on to a big chunk of the ssd just for this.
01011001
Banned
uhm, the Series X uses up significantly less space for its OS compared to the Xbox One tho, and that's with reserved space for quick resume. so the OS itself is a fuck ton smaller.
on Xbox One/One X you have 781GB of free space and on Series X you habe 802GB of free space.
21GB smaller on Series X
again, there's also space reserved on Series X for quick resume, which will be anywhere from 60 to 70 GB.
so the OS itself was shrunken down significantly
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EliTheIceMan
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Tell me where so that I can preorderPreorder cancelled
EliTheIceMan
Member
To you but did you really expect 825gb usable? That's the real joke
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Deleted member 801069
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pretty sure bots are scooping up cancelled preorders immediately
FrankWza
Member
id like to see a new rule where, if you claim you are canceling a preorder you have to show a receipt or self ban yourself for a week.
MasterCornholio
Member
The most that anyone will see on the packaging is maybe something that indicates the drive is compatible with the PS5. Doesn't mean that Sony is going to make money off those drives though.
Gamerguy84
Member
I'm picturing Sony claiming 10 million sold and checking EBAY to find 7 million at a thousand a piece.
FrankWza
Member
what do you think about Oodle? When do you think we'll see it in games? Sounds pretty amazing.
Garret Bobby Ferguson
Member
It's disappointing but I can live on 660 GBs if file sizes aren't absolutely massive this gen. I had a 1TB ps4 pro and 1tb extra storage external hard drive and I had way more space than I ever needed.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Exactly. Every drive I've bought has never had the full storage space available. Hell, I literally just bought an 8TB external USB drive and after formatting it, PS had it at 7.23TB. I formatted a 10TB using NTFS in Windows and it's something like 9.35TB or something like that.
If the drive is 825GB, the total available capacity would be smaller off the bat and then there's the OS and whatever else it has on it (including Astro's Playroom in the retail box).
