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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again

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Frillen

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Who was that girl in the bar about to get raped by the creepy smoking dude? I've seen her somewhere else. What's her real name?
 

Flipyap

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Got the second viewing on in the background.

I think Jade posting the Great Northern key will lead to the return of Audrey.
I'm rooting for the triumphant return of Johnny. Now that the key is officially missing, he's the Great Northener you turn to when you want to find a thing in a way that has something to do with Hawk's heritage.

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Got the second viewing on in the background.

I think Jade posting the Great Northern key will lead to the return of Audrey.

Could be.

I kinda get the feeling the bomb + the key could be leading a bit of a papertrail for the FBI.

I'm super excited to find out where it leads either way!
 
That's what I am assuming. Seems to add up. However, I'm not sure Lynch is in a rush to get Dougie to Twin Peaks.
The files were given to 'Dougie' as homework. I reckon he's going to ace them. It's possible one might be a Twin Peaks file, but that'll probably just unlock more abilities rather than have 'Dougie' flying off to Twin Peaks.

The room key is going to be the thread that brings someone from Twin Peaks to 'Dougie' or gets 'Dougie' heading back. It's been focused on in three scenes now, and we clearly haven't seen the last of it.
 
The green face thing is, I believe, just Coops already established ability to read people starting to come back.
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That could be it too. The green light was shaking as though it was scanning (vs. the static red flames over slot machines) so it may just be a visual representation of his process

Would be fun if the green light is "Cooper vision" while the casino lights were "evil Cooper vision". While both exist in the same plane, they share abilities or something
 
That could be it too. The green light was shaking as though it was scanning (vs. the static red flames over slot machines) so it may just be a visual representation of his process

Would be fun if the green light is "Cooper vision" while the casino lights were "evil Cooper vision". While both exist in the same plane, they share abilities or something

It wasn't red flames in the casino, it was the curtains of the lodge. You could see the floor as well.
 
The files were given to 'Dougie' as homework. I reckon he's going to ace them. It's possible one might be a Twin Peaks file, but that'll probably just unlock more abilities rather than have 'Dougie' flying off to Twin Peaks.

The room key is going to be the thread that brings someone from Twin Peaks to 'Dougie' or gets 'Dougie' heading back. It's been focused on in three scenes now, and we clearly haven't seen the last of it.

I doubt the files will have Coop go to Twin Peaks too. Seems more like the FBI and Buckhorn story is about finding Coop, not Coop finding Twin Peaks.
 

Solo

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That episode was great and the season is amazing so far. I admit that after my initial viewing of the first 2 eps I was a bit miffed, but that has gone away when I rewatched those and especially now with 3, 4, and 5. I love that Lynch isn't making some nostalgia driven, crowd pleasing Peaks for the fans. He's making Peaks how he wants, expectations be damned. It's making for liberating, fresh, and insanely, delightfully compelling television.

Don't agree at all with the "I'm sick of Dougie, I need old Coop back" line of thought. Fuck no. The Dougie stuff is incredibly entertaining and integral to everything else going on, and Kyle Maclachlan is fucking brilliant in this. Lynch is absolutely blowing my mind right now.
 
I was bugged about Dougie in episodes 3 and 4 but honestly, I think I'm good with it now. At least because we're getting moments where there's actually signs of him coming back. Just watching, waiting for it, and having him just repeat nonsense was the real problem. He's still a bit useless but it's going in the direction of "people say things that trigger his memories"

It wasn't red flames in the casino, it was the curtains of the lodge. You could see the floor as well.
Ah, haven't watched in two weeks. Just remember a glow over the slot machines
 

Blader

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I loved Kyle in the original seasons and have enjoyed him in other things, but this season is making me realize how much I -- and presumably many other people -- have long underrated him as an actor. He's doing incredible work in this show.
 

superfly

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I loved Kyle in the original seasons and have enjoyed him in other things, but this season is making me realized how much I -- and presumably many other people -- have long underrated him as an actor. He's doing incredible work in this show.

It's absolutely brilliant to see. I'm so happy for him.
 

Addi

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Brilliant episode again. The Dougie stuff is definitely not going away soon and I love it :p I mean, just by the rhythm of it you know he won't return to Coop already next episode. I'm surprised, I love every single second of this season, maybe because it's seems Lynch is going all out.
 

EatChildren

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Dougie stuff is great. It's so kitschy in all the right ways. And that's largely what I'm loving about this season so far. It's not at all Twin Peaks in the expected canonical ways, yet distinctly Twin Peaks in its expression of moods and themes. It subverts blatant expectations to the point of borderline trolling, in the best ways.

That shot of high Amanda Seyfried in the car was divine.
 

Andrew J.

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Dougie has produced some of the funniest scenes in all of Twin Peaks, but it's frustrating how people around him simultaneously act like it's totally normal but also uncharacteristic.

Like, based on Dougie's job and relationships and place in life, it's obvious that he had to have been a relatively normal, functioning dude. So it doesn't make sense for people to just shrug it off.

I think there's some kind of perception filter that keeps people from realizing how weird Dougie's behavior is. Why else would the casino manager let him take the money instead of kicking him out for cheating?
 

Balb

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I'm confused about Dougie's character. Why is everyone around him constantly shocked by how incompetent he is (at home, work etc.)? Don't they know him well enough by now? Feels like I'm missing something.
 

Sapiens

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I'm confused about Dougie's character. Why is everyone around him constantly shocked by how incompetent he is (at home, work etc.)? Don't they know him well enough by now? Feels like I'm missing something.

Dougie is a massive fuckup but people love him. So, they think they're just seeing Dougie on one of his bad days (hangover, all-nighter, etc).

Oh, that Dougie.
 
Dougie is a massive fuckup but people love him. So, they think they're just seeing Dougie on one of his bad days (hangover, all-nighter, etc).

Oh, that Dougie.

Dude if you saw someone acting like that you wouldn't think "oh he's hung over" you'd call a fucking ambulance. I can suspend my disbelief but the idea that his wife, strangers, friends, and co-workers all treat him as if he's just having a bit of an off-day is insane.

This season so far is like 70% a test of patience. People falling over themselves to praise this, "Lynch is blowing my mind" - with WHAT? Making an extremely slow show that's a lot of plot setup with hardly any direction? Awesome, great. I'm sure it will all click into place at some point but the only amazing thing about this show so far is that people have convinced themselves that it's genuinely amazing up to this point.
 
Dude if you saw someone acting like that you wouldn't think "oh he's hung over" you'd call a fucking ambulance. I can suspend my disbelief but the idea that his wife, strangers, friends, and co-workers all treat him as if he's just having a bit of an off-day is insane.

People seem to keep missing that Dougie's wife ask him if he was having one of his episodes. That implies he's been like this before. A lot of people who work with him presumably would know this as well.
 
People seem to keep missing that Dougie's wife ask him if he was having one of his episodes. That implies he's been like this before. A lot of people who work with him presumably would know this as well.

Why would she send him to work in that state then? Any way you slice it you just kind of have to roll with it but it's not believable at all.
 
People seem to keep missing that Dougie's wife ask him if he was having one of his episodes. That implies he's been like this before. A lot of people who work with him presumably would know this as well.

Could be that there are some natural issues with a doppelganger created by a doppelganger.
 
Why would she send him to work in that state then? Any way you slice it you just kind of have to roll with it but it's not believable at all.

Because he's done it in the past maybe? He seems to function on a basic level, and all Dougie seems to do is sit around at work while taking case files home.
 

rackham

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Dude if you saw someone acting like that you wouldn't think "oh he's hung over" you'd call a fucking ambulance. I can suspend my disbelief but the idea that his wife, strangers, friends, and co-workers all treat him as if he's just having a bit of an off-day is insane.

This season so far is like 70% a test of patience. People falling over themselves to praise this, "Lynch is blowing my mind" - with WHAT? Making an extremely slow show that's a lot of plot setup with hardly any direction? Awesome, great. I'm sure it will all click into place at some point but the only amazing thing about this show so far is that people have convinced themselves that it's genuinely amazing up to this point.

I think his wife just assumes he's emotional and really hung over because of the financial trouble they're in.

Also, I think you're taking this too seriously. I don't see anyone having their minds blown. It's just a show and we're here for the ride
 

Real Hero

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This season so far is like 70% a test of patience. People falling over themselves to praise this, "Lynch is blowing my mind" - with WHAT? Making an extremely slow show that's a lot of plot setup with hardly any direction? Awesome, great. I'm sure it will all click into place at some point but the only amazing thing about this show so far is that people have convinced themselves that it's genuinely amazing up to this point.

There's literally nothing like this on television, particularly the first 3 episodes. I seriously doubt anything is going to 'click into place' if you don't already like what's going on
 

Solo

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This season so far is like 70% a test of patience. People falling over themselves to praise this, "Lynch is blowing my mind" - with WHAT? Making an extremely slow show that's a lot of plot setup with hardly any direction? Awesome, great. I'm sure it will all click into place at some point but the only amazing thing about this show so far is that people have convinced themselves that it's genuinely amazing up to this point.

The show isn't slow unless you want consistent forward plot momentum, in which case I'd say why in the hell are you watching an 18 hour David Lynch movie? How is it testing your patience? What are you waiting for?

It's blowing my mind by subverting expectations, by simultaneously being the Twin Peaks of old I love and yet also this completely alien entity that bears no likeness to Twin Peaks, by having the balls to go where Frost/Lynch want it to instead of playing into what people want ("I want old Cooper!" "I want the old music!"). The whole thing feels like Lynch doesn't give a rat's ass what the fanbase thinks, and I love that. He created the show and it's his to do with as he pleases. He's an unchained artist here with full license to do whatever he wants. That never happens on television. To have a scene like the Wally Brando scene, which runs on like 5 minutes longer than it would in any other show, is absurd as it as, managing to be both the worst thing ever and the best thing ever the longer it plays out, is just incredible. Or how Dougie has magnificently been extended throughout 3 episodes now without any signs of going away any time soon. Or Jacoby's mysterious shovel painting resulting in an infomercial. Combine all that with Lynch's dreamlike visuals, sound design, and actors like Kyle Maclachan bringing it like he is, and it's a supremely weird, captivating, unique piece of television that yes, is blowing me away.
 

Blader

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The pacing isn't going to change. This is not a regular 18-episode season of TV; it's a movie released in 18 parts. It was written, shot, and directed as one long work. There aren't 18 natural beginnings and endings; there's one beginning, one ending, and one very long middle that we're about a third of the way through now.

If the pace is trying your patience too much, then stop watching, wait for the season to end, and then go through it all at your own pace.
 

Addi

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The show isn't slow unless you want consistent forward plot momentum, in which case I'd say why in the hell are you watching an 18 hour David Lynch movie? How is it testing your patience? What are you waiting for?

It's blowing my mind by subverting expectations, by simultaneously being the Twin Peaks of old I love and yet also this completely alien entity that bears no likeness to Twin Peaks, by having the balls to go where Frost/Lynch want it to instead of playing into what people want ("I want old Cooper!" "I want the old music!"). The whole thing feels like Lynch doesn't give a rat's ass what the fanbase thinks, and I love that. He created the show and it's his to do with as he pleases. He's an unchained artist here with full license to do whatever he wants. That never happens on television. To have a scene like the Wally Brando scene, which runs on like 5 minutes longer than it would in any other show, is absurd as it as, managing to be both the worst thing ever and the best thing ever the longer it plays out, is just incredible. Or how Dougie has magnificently been extended throughout 3 episodes now without any signs of going away any time soon. Or Jacoby's mysterious shovel painting resulting in an infomercial. Combine all that with Lynch's dreamlike visuals, sound design, and actors like Kyle Maclachan bringing it like he is, and it's a supremely weird, captivating, unique piece of television that yes, is blowing me away.

I was also going to write a respons, but this pretty much encapsulates it. I'll add that I completely disagree with the season being 70% a test of patience, I think the rhythm, the beats and the pace is perfect.
 

Jokab

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We're closing in on having seen 30% of the show and I feel like nothing has happened. Each episode introduces new characters. I know it's Lynch but I wish the pacing were faster.
 
I actually thought that Dale would still be trapped in the Black Lodge by this point.

This show is moving at a decent pace for me.
 

Real Hero

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We're closing in on having seen 30% of the show and I feel like nothing has happened. Each episode introduces new characters. I know it's Lynch but I wish the pacing were faster.
How can you say nothing has happened? We literally saw cooper inside a wallace and gromit stop motion spaceship with Major Brigg's giant head floating past.
 

hamchan

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I guess I'll join the wary party. I love David Lynch and all his stuff, but I also love the old Twin Peaks style, which this is certainly not. I hope by at least halfway through the series we'll be back to some semblance of that, though that's looking unlikely.
 

PolishQ

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The pacing feels a lot faster on rewatch. And each of the slow burn scenes has such a good pay-off! It's like a series of shaggy dog jokes.
 
...but the only amazing thing about this show so far is that people have convinced themselves that it's genuinely amazing up to this point.

Critics are loving it, too. Maybe it's just not your cup of tea. The show wouldn't be worthwhile, IMO, if it weren't at least somewhat divisive. We've got enough "safe" TV and movies out there already.
 

Flipyap

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Why would she send him to work in that state then? Any way you slice it you just kind of have to roll with it but it's not believable at all.
Hey, remember that one time this believable show spent an entire season following the antics of a 35-year-old woman who joined a high school wrestling team and opened Mike's mind to the wonders brought by the combination of sexual maturity and superhuman strength?
In the world of Twin Peaks, "just roll with it" is literally what an (admittedly deranged) medical professional recommends in cases like this, and that's what everyone does.
 
Critics are loving it, too. Maybe it's just not your cup of tea. The show wouldn't be worthwhile, IMO, if it weren't at least somewhat divisive. We've got enough "safe" TV and movies out there already.

I think Lynch is getting a little too up his ass though, this tweet from him was really weird.

Yay positive upticks 😂
Critics LOVE the movie. Fans HATE it. What a glaring disconnect. People just want to laugh & have fun. #TwinPeaks 🔥🤙🏾
 
I'm still wondering if Dougie exists in the original 9 hour plan for this run.

I don't think much of anything changed from going 9 to 18 parts. I think Lynch and Frost just underestimated the amount of time their script would take on screen plus whatever happens on set. 400 pages of script usually translates to 6-7 hours of screentime. But Lynch is unusual. I mean how do you account for a character walking across the screen or someone spray painting shovels? It reads a hell of a lot faster than it performs.
 

nachum00

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I thought this was easily the best episode so far, and it also had the tightest pacing. The people hating on it just want Coop back already.
 
The show isn't slow unless you want consistent forward plot momentum, in which case I'd say why in the hell are you watching an 18 hour David Lynch movie? How is it testing your patience? What are you waiting for?

It's blowing my mind by subverting expectations, by simultaneously being the Twin Peaks of old I love and yet also this completely alien entity that bears no likeness to Twin Peaks, by having the balls to go where Frost/Lynch want it to instead of playing into what people want ("I want old Cooper!" "I want the old music!"). The whole thing feels like Lynch doesn't give a rat's ass what the fanbase thinks, and I love that. He created the show and it's his to do with as he pleases. He's an unchained artist here with full license to do whatever he wants. That never happens on television. To have a scene like the Wally Brando scene, which runs on like 5 minutes longer than it would in any other show, is absurd as it as, managing to be both the worst thing ever and the best thing ever the longer it plays out, is just incredible. Or how Dougie has magnificently been extended throughout 3 episodes now without any signs of going away any time soon. Or Jacoby's mysterious shovel painting resulting in an infomercial. Combine all that with Lynch's dreamlike visuals, sound design, and actors like Kyle Maclachan bringing it like he is, and it's a supremely weird, captivating, unique piece of television that yes, is blowing me away.

Yeah. David Nevins is to me the unsung hero here. Obviously Mark and David have been given free reign to create art on TV without any interference, and what we're getting is unquestionably the fruits of their labor, but you've got to credit Nevins for giving them the leeway to create in the first place.

I've never watched a TV show before that felt 100% like a piece of art. People can debate it's quality, but I don't think anyone can debate that. The only constraint on the creativity here is the budget and limitations of the format.

A brilliant script, is being brought to screen by a singular visionary. I'm not going to say other writers and directors couldn't achieve the same thing if given the sort of creative freedom that Lynch and Frost have been given here... perhaps many could...

But I've never seen anything like this before on TV. I really didn't think Twin Peaks would come back and break the mold a second time. It won't be as influential as the original series was, because of the nature of TV these days... but it feels like the most creative thing I've seen on TV and it's doing amazing things to me.

It's dug itself right into my brain. I don't love every choice. I don't think every creative risk has landed perfectly. But I love that they're taking all these risks and have been given the freedom to do so.

And things are landing for me much more often than they're missing.

I can point to the scenes and moments that don't work perfectly for me.

But then it's not as if this series wasn't always full of moments like that before. Yes, it gave us slices of TV that were just perfect... but so far I'd argue that it's given me three more slices of perfect TV.

Will it top Episode 14 and give me the best hour of television ever? I don't know, but right now that doesn't seem remotely out of the question.
 

Slaythe

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I don't think much of anything changed from going 9 to 18 parts. I think Lynch and Frost just underestimated the amount of time their script would take on screen plus whatever happens on set. 400 pages of script usually translates to 6-7 hours of screentime. But Lynch is unusual. I mean how do you account for a character walking across the screen or someone spray painting shovels? It reads a hell of a lot faster than it performs.

The second half of the season will contain 50% of shovel painting footage.

Personally loving season 3 so far, even though I'm fully aware how it ends will make or break it.
 

Jokab

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How can you say nothing has happened? We literally saw cooper inside a wallace and gromit stop motion spaceship with Major Brigg's giant head floating past.

I mean yeah, I like those scenes. But what actual story-driven content (lack of a better term) have we gotten? What have the characters accomplished? Gordon visiting Mr. C is one of the few ones really, and they weren't even in this episode! It feels like most of what we've seen is setup. Don't get me wrong, I like the show, but I would've wanted a bit higher pace.
 
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