Saw that too and just assumed that was always in the credits. Maybe I'll check a little later.
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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Intheflorsh
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Could just be because they show her face in the intro.
Lord Frieza
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Yeah, definitely felt the most like the older seasons of the episodes so far.
i thought the sweeping was funny. it of course crossed my mind 'is this our 'there's no band in the bang bang bar tonight' scene' to end the episode? then i looked at the clock and realised we had several more minutes and i realised it was basically a joke. almost like 'yeah this episode had a lot going on, bet you thought you were gonna get a stinger at the end, but nope, sweeping'
and then they gave us coop getting out of jail and the true final scene in the R+R (which was so nice to see).
and then they gave us coop getting out of jail and the true final scene in the R+R (which was so nice to see).
Man, awesome episode!
I realized tonight that Evil Coop has been trapped in federal prison exactly as long as Good Coop has been "trapped" in his Dougie haze. Now that Evil Coop is loose, will Good Coop similarly be freed? Especially considering his absolutely nuts confrontation with Ike tonight.
And I'm not suggesting that their mental states are somehow linked to each other, but there may be some narrative mirroring going on.
I realized tonight that Evil Coop has been trapped in federal prison exactly as long as Good Coop has been "trapped" in his Dougie haze. Now that Evil Coop is loose, will Good Coop similarly be freed? Especially considering his absolutely nuts confrontation with Ike tonight.
And I'm not suggesting that their mental states are somehow linked to each other, but there may be some narrative mirroring going on.
SictorVullivan
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Great episode. I suspect we'll see Coop return before the break at this rate (so next episode).
wanderingprostheyltite
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I like how nothing has changed with Ben Horne's horndog ways. Of course he's going to go after Ashley Judd.
The Doc Hayward scene revealing that Audrey was in coma after the bank explosion puts an entirely new level of awfulness on the fan theory that Richard Horne is Audrey and Evil Coop's son.
If it turns out to be the case, that means that evil Coop raped a comatose Audrey. Yikes.
If it turns out to be the case, that means that evil Coop raped a comatose Audrey. Yikes.
On the contrary, I thought the scene was pretty clear in showing that he was rejecting her advances.
So Truman said
I NEED TO KNOW
Ah that's totally it.
Audrey has been in a coma or was just in coma right after the bank explosion?
I NEED TO KNOW
Ah that's totally it.
i don't think we really got any indication of that, uh. she just WAS in a coma after the explosion, but her state for the last 25 years in general hasn't been commented on so far.
however i kind of do think it's clear that cooper's doppleganger showed up at diane's house and raped her, judging by how angry she was at him and how upset she was when she realised that the guy she thought was cooper all these years might be something else. this is the BOB type of villain, after all, if not BOB himself. he revels in that kind of torture - two people who respected each other as much as diane and cooper, he just ruined that relationship.
this could be the key, or one of the keys, to getting people to truly hate cooper's doppleganger.
ZombieSupaStar
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hes TRYING TO DO GOOD!
was Cole whistling the intro to Rammsteins Engel, before Albert knocked on his door?
sounded like it, and Lynch is a Rammstein fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2rQzv8OWEY
Pretty sure he said "right after". But that means for long term? No clue.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Uh, I kinda doubt they'll go that dark. At least I'd hope so :/
His body language seemed interested, but not interested enough to do something yet was what I got from that interaction.
Also love that there's an entire scene dedicated to Jerry freaking out from pot. This is prime Peaks right here folks.
He may be old but those habits die hard. Despite his proclamations to Jerry earlier I have doubts he'll keep it zipped up.
Ugh. I was already wondering if Evil Coop had raped Diane, based on their confrontation this week.
Intheflorsh
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Also, there was the return of the prison cell guy! The scene where he walks into frame as a black smudge was chilling.
Ben actually seems like a decent guy in his old age, at least so far.
Ben actually seems like a decent guy in his old age, at least so far.
That was my reading of it all too.
Wow, this was... disappointing.
The first 15 minutes and all the Hawksplaining didn't feel like it was directed by Lynch.
The gimmick of casting a telephone as Harry S. Truman isn't working working for me at all unless they plan on having a surprise cameo. Though it better not be over Skype.
It's the first time I felt like the pacing became an issue - not the slow scene (I still love those), but obscuring things that aren't mysteries and placing them hours apart - this absolutely should have been our introduction to Diane. Tammy made her discovery two parts ago and the moment they returned to that subplot, they disposed of it with one heck of a clunky piece of exposition.
Dougie and the humming wood were the highlights of thisepisode part. The scene where a dude sweeps the Roadhouse floor was so audacious, it got the biggest laugh out of me this week.
The first 15 minutes and all the Hawksplaining didn't feel like it was directed by Lynch.
The gimmick of casting a telephone as Harry S. Truman isn't working working for me at all unless they plan on having a surprise cameo. Though it better not be over Skype.
It's the first time I felt like the pacing became an issue - not the slow scene (I still love those), but obscuring things that aren't mysteries and placing them hours apart - this absolutely should have been our introduction to Diane. Tammy made her discovery two parts ago and the moment they returned to that subplot, they disposed of it with one heck of a clunky piece of exposition.
Dougie and the humming wood were the highlights of this
I believe that was mentioned in The Secret History. Wasn't it?
yeah beverley seemed like she was into ben but not that they have actually been having an affair, she's obviously got some kind of situation going on at home with her sick husband who is also a jealous sick husband. a tough situation for them all really. well, except ben, who while he hasn't done anything bad so far, let us all not forget is a real son of a bitch most of the time.
I thought he was about to get the agent lady :x
wanderingprostheyltite
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I like how he's just a phantom at this point that intersects with the real world, even though the Pentagon lady looked in his general direction not sure if she could really see him, more sense a presence.
Same, with the music was getting slasher movie vibes.
It may have been. I guess the more pertinent information we found out was that Evil Cooper may have visited the comatose Audrey, according to Doc Hayward.
I liked the GN part but it just felt like wasted space to me in parts..... like, if anyone else I knew was watching that type of scene they would've just shut it off.
I felt like the zooming to wood was going to show Josie even though I knew it wouldn't...
Nah. Diane absolutely has not met this iteration of Coop before. She was asking about the last time they saw each other because that's something the "real" Coop would remember. I did get the impression that they had slept together, but consensually.
VistraNorrez
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So they didn't mention Annie's fate at all and Cooper's Doppelgänger apparently did not visit her. I'm guessing Annie's dead.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Yeah I didn't think they'd show her either but was hoping for some splinter reality weirdness inside the wood. Clearly all bets are off for predictions at this point but I have a feeling we won't be seeing a bunch more of the Lodge unless its from One Armed Man doing his lodge skype calls to Droolcoop, or the Arm giving him impromptu kung fu lessons
Though I can see Laura's exit being a thing.
BenjaminBirdie
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I didn't consider it but yeah I'd say it's a 100% certainty that Boop is Richard's father.
The first thing we see him do is exactly what Boop did in the hotel room. Don't get much clearer than that.
As far as Twin Peaks not going that dark? I don't know if you caught the first few seasons but a guy was raping his daughter.
The first thing we see him do is exactly what Boop did in the hotel room. Don't get much clearer than that.
As far as Twin Peaks not going that dark? I don't know if you caught the first few seasons but a guy was raping his daughter.
Yeah I didn't think they'd show her either but was hoping for some splinter reality weirdness inside the wood. Clearly all bets are off for predictions at this point but I have a feeling we won't be seeing a bunch more of the Lodge unless its from One Armed Man doing his lodge skype calls to Droolcoop, or the Arm giving him impromptu kung fu lessons
Though I can see Laura's exit being a thing.
Unless Hawk tries to go in, thinking Coop is still in there...
No, I think you've misread that. She asked him about the night he came to her apartment, which he (bad cooper) clearly remembered and taunted her about. I think back then in the moment she just assumed it was him at first, as most people do, but later with whatever terrible thing he did, she began to question could that really be the guy I knew, and now in this new meeting she has confirmed it in her own mind as not Dale Cooper.
There's room for interpretation and the next episodes will clear it up but I don't feel like in any way Dale and Diane were romantically involved before 'that night' or that it was the real Dale. It feels like a violation of trust occurred big time.
He slept with his partner's wife, if you recall.
BenjaminBirdie
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Coop didn't. Boop did.
wanderingprostheyltite
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I don't know, obviously terrible things have happened but raping a coma patient just doesn't seem like the direction things are gonna go. Call it a hunch.
Oof, don't want to think about Hawk getting trapped in there :/
This was also my read of the Diane/Mr C convo. He def seemed like he was the one there at her apartment and that's why she had the seeming history of scorn for him. We also have to take into account Mr C for some reason had a diff voice in that interrogation room than he does outside it. Not sure what that's saying exactly, maybe a continuity issue. Doesn't sound as hollow or out of it when he's talking to the warden in his office.
The tone of this new season and Fire Walk With Me isn't "quirky" like the first two seasons but yeah I don't get how people didn't think the original seasons were dark too. When you learn who killed Laura it's like... good lord I just think of Leland trying to dance with Maddy while Bob is kissing her all over her bloody face. How's that not dark? lol
You could almost hear Mr. Funko Pop's brain go KA-CHING when Baby Arm popped up.or the Arm giving him impromptu kung fu lessons
ZombieSupaStar
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As dark as this season has been, nothing beats the leland/maddy scene. That shit was insane, and awful to watch.
BenjaminBirdie
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I don't see any room for interpretation honestly. Diane, Cooper's closest confidant, now detests the FBI. It's clear that she blames them for getting her involved in their partnership in the first place.
Boop clearly went on a spree destroying the most important people in Cooper's life, raping a comatose Audrey and tracking down Diane to do the same. He even killed Major Briggs, who A Secret History reveals had a strong relationship with him.
He's since died, unfortunately. This episode was dedicated to him. Also, he was Mark Frost's dad.
Yeah, but he also didn't sleep with Audrey for professional reasons.
Do we know if Donna is even going to be mentioned in this new season? I don't care too much but she was involved with a pretty big cliffhanger with Ben last we saw her.
Seems like she been written out of canon going by one of the books.
BenjaminBirdie
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She clearly exists. Hawk mentioned her.
Written out of canon? Hawk just mentioned her by name an hour ago.
Ehhh.... I won't buy the Diane thing unless the show explicitly reveals it. It took her what, five minutes tonight before she was utterly sure that this wasn't the real Cooper? Why would she even need to look at him if she had already been assaulted by him? Why wouldn't she mention that to Albert and Cole?
Obviously she has some beef with the FBI but I think it's something else. Like maybe she had a thing for Cooper but felt abandoned when he disappeared. Or maybe she found Cooper completely annoying, and hated transcribing his endless cassette tapes.
But in terms of "that night", it was pretty obvious to me that she was testing his memory. And she discovered that Evil Coop does have Good Coop's memories, but he's missing something else in his heart.
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