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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again

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Hulohot

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Absolutely loving everything about this new season. Every episode has amazing moments and I can't wait to see where it goes.

It got me thinking, a family friend who was a mega Peaks fan got me aware of Twin Peaks many years ago when I was young. He knew I was a fan of things like the X Files and always said I would love this show. He told me all about it, without spoiling much of course and was always excited about the idea it might return again one day 25 years later. It wasn't until five years ago I got to actually see it.

Unfortunately I didn't get to talk to him about it because he died many years ago and it got me thinking of the series mega fans who did not live long enough to see this new season.

Strange thoughts.
 
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Dusk Golem

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Hulohot said:
Absolutely loving everything about this new season. Every episode has amazing moments and I can't wait to see where it goes.

It got me thinking, a family friend who was a mega Peaks fan got me aware of Twin Peaks many years ago when I was young. He knew I was a fan of things like the X Files and always said I would love this show. He told me all about it, without spoiling much of course and was always excited about the idea it might return again one day 25 years later. It wasn't until five years ago I got to actually see it.

Unfortunately I didn't get to talk to him about it because he died many years ago and it got me thinking of the series mega fans who did not live long enough to see this new season.

Strange thoughts.
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I've thought about something similar, I didn't get to know any mega fans that passed away before this premiere, but it's a bit sad in a way to know some fans who may have loved the show 25 years ago will never get to know the show did come back 25/26 years later like this and experience it.

Given this is true of many things. I've spent a little time myself thinking, "Awww, it'll be a shame when I die I won't be able to keep up with how things develop," especially in relation to things I like which I think will outlive me or just the whole scene with gaming and horror in general for myself. It's a weird thought, but I think you can make peace with this aspect easier than some other faucets that unless something ends definitively before you die (and isn't revived at some point), you just experience what you can in your lifetime.

I'm also very curious how properties that exist today will be remembered in 100-200 years, but I will never know.
 
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Emperor_Uriel

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So, thus far we have three confirmed "Main Villains"

-Mr. C, who is Cooper's Doppelganger and Bob's current vessel.
-The Charcoal Man, who appears to be a malicious Lodge entity.
-The Faceless Creature, who escaped from the glass box in NY.

We also have the following minor/potential villains:

-Red, the eccentric dime-flipping druglord.
-The Arm's Doppelganger, which attempted to plunge Cooper into nonexistence.
-Richard Horne, who is crazy.
-The Casino bosses, who are hoping they never see Dougie again.
-Ike the Spike, homicidal dwarf.

And, finally, perhaps most importantly:

-The man who spoke over the phone with Mr. C in episode 2. The one who he initially thought was Philip Jeffries, and who seems to want to be possessed by Bob.

That's a lot to wrap up, and while I do think it'll all come down to Mr. C in the end, Lynch has a lot of ground to cover if he wants to wrap the series up without a dozen loose ends.
 
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Camwi

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This was such a great episode. When Coop went into badass mode, threw his wife to the side to protect her, and just beat (squeezed) the crap out of the assassin, I was so goddamn excited by the thought that he might be back.

But no, poor dude is still stuck. :(

Emperor_Uriel said:
So, thus far we have three confirmed "Main Villains"

-Mr. C, who is Cooper's Doppelganger and Bob's current vessel.
-The Charcoal Man, who appears to be a malicious Lodge entity.
-The Faceless Creature, who escaped from the glass box in NY.
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Sorry, haven't been keeping up with the thread. The Charcoal Man is the dude that was walking in the hallway in the morgue, right? Have we seen him before?
 
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PolishQ

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Emperor_Uriel said:
And, finally, perhaps most importantly:

-The man who spoke over the phone with Mr. C in episode 2. The one who he initially thought was Philip Jeffries, and who seems to want to be possessed by Bob.
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Don't forget the actual Philip Jeffries, who Evil Coop has presumably been working with for years, and who presumably ordered Mr. Todd to issue the hit on Lorraine & Good Coop. He's who I'd consider the most important villain at this point, or at least the most interesting, considering that we don't even know whether he's corporeal or just a ghost in the machine.

As for who the man on the phone was ... I'm starting to wonder if it was Leland. Obviously it wasn't his voice, but I think the equipment used some kind of voice masking for security purposes. Hence why Evil Coop wasn't sure of the person's identity.
 
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31GhostsIV

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Vyse The Legend said:
That reminds me... I'm curious where the subplot with Matthew Lillard will go. Though, I guess the whole point of it could have been simply to introduce the Charcoal Man as another possessing, menacing entity.
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Except for Mr C murdering his wife and framing the police officer she was having an affair with by using his gun. I'd be surprised if that didn't go anywhere.
 
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I was thinking about Lynch's possible aversion to Annie, and does it really make sense, when you consider he put her in FWWM?

31GhostsIV said:
Except for Mr C murdering his wife and framing the police officer she was having an affair with by using his gun. I'd be surprised if that didn't go anywhere.
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Actually their attorney, not police officer!
 
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3rdman

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Camwi said:
This was such a great episode. When Coop went into badass mode, threw his wife to the side to protect her, and just beat (squeezed) the crap out of the assassin, I was so goddamn excited by the thought that he might be back.

But no, poor dude is still stuck. :(



Sorry, haven't been keeping up with the thread. The Charcoal Man is the dude that was walking in the hallway in the morgue, right? Have we seen him before?
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He also makes an appearance in FWWM...I believe its the guy at the back on the far left in the photo below.
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Here is my theory...they are couriers. The Charcols Men "deliver" the garmonbozia to the inhabitants of the lodge. We know that electricity is somehow connected to them and from the pic above, you can see one of these men with their hand behind the radio. He is perhaps acting as a conduit or perhaps manipulating the electricity for the characters at the Formica table who are dividing the garmonbozia to each other.

So far in the new season, they appear as harbingers of evil (pain and sorrow?)...one of them was there when the arrested principal was at his lowest. The second appearance happens when the realization lands on the military that Briggs is in fact dead.

Anyways, just a thought...Knowing Lynch though, I'm probably way off. :p
 
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3rdman

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Ashby said:
I don't remember that either! Why did he kill Matthew Lillard's wife?
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Another pet theory of mine...All that happens just before Coop leaves the lodge and this is part of the plan Mr. C made to keep from getting sucked back into the lodge. The details are unclear still but I think he was "topping off" on garmonbozia (power?) to give him strength as he was severely drained upon Coops exit.
 
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31GhostsIV

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Juan29.zapata said:
I was thinking about Lynch's possible aversion to Annie, and does it really make sense, when you consider he put her in FWWM?



Actually their attorney, not police officer!
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Ah, ok!

Ashby said:
I don't remember that either! Why did he kill Matthew Lillard's wife?
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Not entirely sure but when she gets shot, there's a weird effect on her as she falls, almost like some kind of spirit escaping. I didn't notice it until a repeat viewing as it happens very quickly.
 
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3rdman

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ibrahima said:
My hunch was that it happened because he was manufactured.
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My hunch is that everything happening to Coop is a dream...We've gotten a few clues...Janey-E taking the same bite of a sandwich, Sonny-Jim blinking backwards, the fact that nobody is treating someone in clear need of medical attention, etc.

I could argue that everyone he's dealing with presently are avatars for real versions of his friends/associates/enemies.

His boss at the Lucky 7 Insurance company = Cole (there is a similarity in that they both have giant-ass posters directly behind their respective desks)
Janey-E = Diane...they are both "tough cookies" in their respective worlds and they've both looked out for Cooper.
Sonny-Jim = This kid is (I believe) Cooper himself. He is essentially a child himself and seems to be the only one that he can relate to/play with.

This would also explain the impossibility of winning so many jackpots, the images of the lodge, the floating green indicators, etc.

Ultimately, I think he swapped places with Dougie, but he never left the house with Jade at all...instead she recognized that he needed medical help and got it. Perhaps she took him to the hospital herself and later found the key and mailed it...Don't know.

I should note that this isn't my personal theory but the details listed above are which means that this isn't correct at all. :p
 
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stuminus3

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3rdman said:
My hunch is that everything happening to Coop is a dream...We've gotten a few clues...Janey-E taking the same bite of a sandwich, Sonny-Jim blinking backwards, the fact that nobody is treating someone in clear need of medical attention, etc.

I could argue that everyone he's dealing with presently are avatars for real versions of his friends/associates/enemies.

His boss at the Lucky 7 Insurance company = Cole (there is a similarity in that they both have giant-ass posters directly behind their respective desks)
Janey-E = Diane...they are both "tough cookies" in their respective worlds and they've both looked out for Cooper.
Sonny-Jim = This kid is (I believe) Cooper himself. He is essentially a child himself and seems to be the only one that he can relate to/play with.

This would also explain the impossibility of winning so many jackpots, the images of the lodge, the floating green indicators, etc.

Ultimately, I think he swapped places with Dougie, but he never left the house with Jade at all...instead she recognized that he needed medical help and got it. Perhaps she took him to the hospital herself and later found the key and mailed it...Don't know.

I should note that this isn't my personal theory but the details listed above are which means that this isn't correct at all. :p
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EDIT: nm, you covered that. :)
 
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superfly

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3rdman said:
My hunch is that everything happening to Coop is a dream...We've gotten a few clues...Janey-E taking the same bite of a sandwich, Sonny-Jim blinking backwards, the fact that nobody is treating someone in clear need of medical attention, etc.

I could argue that everyone he's dealing with presently are avatars for real versions of his friends/associates/enemies.

His boss at the Lucky 7 Insurance company = Cole (there is a similarity in that they both have giant-ass posters directly behind their respective desks)
Janey-E = Diane...they are both "tough cookies" in their respective worlds and they've both looked out for Cooper.
Sonny-Jim = This kid is (I believe) Cooper himself. He is essentially a child himself and seems to be the only one that he can relate to/play with.

This would also explain the impossibility of winning so many jackpots, the images of the lodge, the floating green indicators, etc.

Ultimately, I think he swapped places with Dougie, but he never left the house with Jade at all...instead she recognized that he needed medical help and got it. Perhaps she took him to the hospital herself and later found the key and mailed it...Don't know.

I should note that this isn't my personal theory but the details listed above are which means that this isn't correct at all. :p
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How about the key ending up at the hotel. Kind of dispels this idea.
 
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3rdman

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superfly said:
How about the key ending up at the hotel. Kind of dispels this idea.
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No I don't think it does. Its possible that she actually delivered Coop to the hospital that we (as the audience) recognize as the casino.

Another thought...every street name is pulled from Arthurian legend...literally every street.
 
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cucuchu

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When Season 3 was announced I had never heard of the show and then friends of mine kept raving about the new season so my wife and I have been powering through the first 2 seasons and movie once we finish. We should be starting season 3 by this weekend!

We are on episode 20 of the second season and while I got to say that I LOVE the show as a whole, some scenes are just painful to watch. Every scene the last half of the season with James Hurley and that whole plot line with the affair/murder was just terrible. The standoff where they let cross-dressed Duchovny in because he had food was just abysmal writing. Thankfully there are just enough quirky moments to off-set the cringe and Cooper's plot with the black lodge is what really intrigues me about the show in the first place.

I did break down and watch the first couple of episodes of Season 3 by myself since I know everything that goes down in Season 2 and the movie thanks to my curiosity. I really enjoy the new shape the series has taken...hope it keeps that pace up throughout.
 
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KO Traveling Hobo

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3rdman said:
No I don't think it does. Its possible that she actually delivered Coop to the hospital that we (as the audience) recognize it as the casino.

Another thought...every street name is pulled from Arthurian legend...literally every street.
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Neat. Glastonbury Grove is an Arthurian thing as well, right?
 
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Dislocated

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cucuchu said:
We are on episode 20 of the second season and while I got to say that I LOVE the show as a whole, some scenes are just painful to watch. Every scene the last half of the season with James Hurley and that whole plot line with the affair/murder was just terrible. The standoff where they let cross-dressed Duchovny in because he had food was just abysmal writing. Thankfully there are just enough quirky moments to off-set the cringe and Cooper's plot with the black lodge is what really intrigues me about the show in the first place.
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A lot of Season 2 is regarded by lots of people as cringey or just disliked in general, most notably the Evelyn Marsh subplot. Actually, anything throughout the entire series re: James. And Donna's actions throughout the entire second season. Which isn't to say it's bad, just... it's got some bad bits.
 
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gun_haver

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As as I'm concerned after Leland dies, the next episode of the show is the finale of S2. Sure it doesn't really flow because the finale does use some of the characters introduced after that like Annie and Windom Earle, but it isn't worth having the atmosphere of the show destroyed by episode after episode of inane bullshit.
 
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Tunesmith

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JoJoShabadoo said:
Haven't read the reactions yet but that sweeping scene made me feel like it was Lynch saying "Ok I'm done with that whole musicians performing thing, shit is going to get real"
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Fun scene.

Whenever a scene at the roadhouse starts my wife goes "so I guess the episode is over".
 
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The perfect Dark

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3rdman said:
My hunch is that everything happening to Coop is a dream...We've gotten a few clues...Janey-E taking the same bite of a sandwich, Sonny-Jim blinking backwards, the fact that nobody is treating someone in clear need of medical attention, etc.

I could argue that everyone he's dealing with presently are avatars for real versions of his friends/associates/enemies.

His boss at the Lucky 7 Insurance company = Cole (there is a similarity in that they both have giant-ass posters directly behind their respective desks)
Janey-E = Diane...they are both "tough cookies" in their respective worlds and they've both looked out for Cooper.
Sonny-Jim = This kid is (I believe) Cooper himself. He is essentially a child himself and seems to be the only one that he can relate to/play with.

This would also explain the impossibility of winning so many jackpots, the images of the lodge, the floating green indicators, etc.

Ultimately, I think he swapped places with Dougie, but he never left the house with Jade at all...instead she recognized that he needed medical help and got it. Perhaps she took him to the hospital herself and later found the key and mailed it...Don't know.

I should note that this isn't my personal theory but the details listed above are which means that this isn't correct at all. :p
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And don't forget Coop "needs to wake up"

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gun_haver

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Can't be - the key to room 315 from Cooper's suit made its way to the great northern, and this happened via Jade's mechanic finding it in her car after Dougie/Cooper has left. So either it's a dream where Cooper doesn't have to be present all the time and a dream which can send corporeal items out to the real world, or it's not a dream and it's really happening, or nothing is really happening.
 
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SorchaR

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I first thought that the sound in the Great Northern had to do with Josie too. But now I'm wondering: Did the noise/humming start once Cooper's key returned?
Maybe it has to do with that...
 
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Sumio Mondo

Member
Emperor_Uriel said:
So, thus far we have three confirmed "Main Villains"

-Mr. C, who is Cooper's Doppelganger and Bob's current vessel.
-The Charcoal Man, who appears to be a malicious Lodge entity.
-The Faceless Creature, who escaped from the glass box in NY.

We also have the following minor/potential villains:

-Red, the eccentric dime-flipping druglord.
-The Arm's Doppelganger, which attempted to plunge Cooper into nonexistence.
-Richard Horne, who is crazy.
-The Casino bosses, who are hoping they never see Dougie again.
-Ike the Spike, homicidal dwarf.

And, finally, perhaps most importantly:

-The man who spoke over the phone with Mr. C in episode 2. The one who he initially thought was Philip Jeffries, and who seems to want to be possessed by Bob.

That's a lot to wrap up, and while I do think it'll all come down to Mr. C in the end, Lynch has a lot of ground to cover if he wants to wrap the series up without a dozen loose ends.
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Doubt he will conclude all of those, this being Lynch and all.
 
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bratpack

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watched the pilot but can't get into the cause of the bad acting
can I just start on this new season or will I be lost as to what's going on?
 
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3rdman

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gun_haver said:
Can't be - the key to room 315 from Cooper's suit made its way to the great northern, and this happened via Jade's mechanic finding it in her car after Dougie/Cooper has left. So either it's a dream where Cooper doesn't have to be present all the time and a dream which can send corporeal items out to the real world, or it's not a dream and it's really happening, or nothing is really happening.
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I addressed this earlier and I humbly disagree. I agree that Jade found him and mailed the key but I am unsure that he was taken to a casino and with this being Lynch...
 
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Iceman

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bratpack said:
watched the pilot but can't get into the cause of the bad acting
can I just start on this new season or will I be lost as to what's going on?
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I say keep watching season 1 (and through the first third of season 2, then skip right to finale of 2). You will fall in love with it once you accept its bizarre combination of soap opera and supernaturally-infused murder mystery/suspense. Frost + Lynch love these characters and it is super endearing.

You'll need to learn about the white and black lodges through Major Briggs, about the one armed man, and Bob in order to even grasp what's happening in the finale of season 2, let alone follow season 3 - which assumes you saw the season 2 finale.
 
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kitsuneyo

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cucuchu said:
I really enjoy the new shape the series has taken...hope it keeps that pace up throughout.
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Prepare to be disappointed lol. Some of the slowest television ever made in eps 3, 4 and 5. 6 and 7 are great.

bratpack said:
watched the pilot but can't get into the cause of the bad acting
can I just start on this new season or will I be lost as to what's going on?
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Season 1 is incredible. You'll probably like the new ones even less.
 
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