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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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31GhostsIV
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I really need to get myself a copy of Secret History.
I remember the logjam and fire from the book,, so why are they in New Mexico?
I was also thinking the baddies in Alan Wake.
HashtagLapsed
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Rewatching the episode, when Senorita Dido held the golden Laura ball colour came back to her fingers and face as she touched it. I didn't notice that before.
it's better for it to be read.
Is there anything to suggest that the Laura Palmer orb is not sent by the giant to combat the bobness or whatever and in fact sending Laura back, as if she has been lost beyond the lodge whilst her doppelgänger is dead and buried ?
I know the timelines don't make much sense as the giant sending her orb back coincides with the 50's but timelines has often not made chronological sense in this series.
I just recall Leland telling Coop to find Laura before Coop got all Doop.
I know the timelines don't make much sense as the giant sending her orb back coincides with the 50's but timelines has often not made chronological sense in this series.
I just recall Leland telling Coop to find Laura before Coop got all Doop.
If I was to be honest I found the soot hobos more scary in their prior two appearances. However, I am now enjoying them for the absurd humour they bring.
I was laughing at the weird pagan dance thing they were doing with bad coops guts and I can't seem to get "Got a light" out of my head.
I was laughing at the weird pagan dance thing they were doing with bad coops guts and I can't seem to get "Got a light" out of my head.
Perhaps they were drawn to the chaotic nature of the Trinity blast? From what I remember The Secret History of Twin Peaks spends a fair amount of time on Dougie Milford's (I wonder if that's a coincidence, two Dougies) escapades around New Mexico including being stationed at White Plains Missile Range and Roswell so maybe both are hotspots for extraterrestrials of one stripe or another.
guybrushfreeman
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"I've never seen Twin Peaks. I've never heard of Twin Peaks. I don't know what you're talking about."
I'm surprised at just how much this episode has stayed with me. It's been with my for almost 24 hours and I'm still letting it run through my brain.
When it comes to 'got a light?' I felt like the woodsman (?) was asking about souls rather than a lighter or fire. Consider the child who got hit by that truck and the light that ascended from them. Also consider the skull crushing, almost like he was trying to rip something out of the people.
The impression I got was that he was looking for a 'light' like the one that came from the child. Perhaps Laura is is just one of the people with a 'light' that our otherworldly citizens are looking for. I think it makes much more sense that way.
If we move into metaphor (which is generally the way I prefer to think about Twin Peaks) the 'bad guys' in the show seem to sustain themselves by sort of feeding off this 'light' in people in the world. Consider again the station with coop, dougie, and evil coop. Something is drawing evil coop back in unless he can find a way to sustain himself.
Evil sustains itself in this manner in the world. It needs to feed off and destroy the good in people and the good in the world to keep going. It uses the weak/greedy/sinful/whatever (think Leland and Bob in S1) then destroys things in order to sustain itself.
At least that's how I'm piecing things together at the moment.
sackboy2197
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Actually, the best experience would probably be to have the book in front of you and the audio book to go along with it.
Daffy Duck
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How come?
Dislocated
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Everyone is saying this is the birth of BOB, but why does it have to be birth? Why can't it be his rebirth or sending him back out into the world? Time doesn't have to be linear for these lodge spirits/otherworldly things; in fact, we've seen that it isn't. I was thinking that perhaps BOB was just catching a ride in the Vomit Comet, seizing his chance to come back down to earth along with all the other evil, but that the Mother isn't necessarily his mother. Like maybe the soot hobos smuggled him away for safekeeping and he was like "Yep here we go, I'm good now." Or something.
Ooh, good point. If they go ahead and submit those into a database along with Ike's while they're doing an investigation, it's bound to ping somewhere on some FBI computer.
I think it's really good as an audiobook! The voice actors do a great job and it brings a whole new dimension to it.
Ooh, good point. If they go ahead and submit those into a database along with Ike's while they're doing an investigation, it's bound to ping somewhere on some FBI computer.
I think it's really good as an audiobook! The voice actors do a great job and it brings a whole new dimension to it.
Daffy Duck
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Agreed, I am really enjoying it so far.
plagiarize
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Marcia crawling into that girl's mouth was pretty goddamn intimate too.
It's a collection of documents/images so I think you lose something with just the audio
Oh, you're right! The way Abe Woodsman speaks is also reminiscent of the nonsensical repetition of mundane phrases by the "taken."
Remedy really did operate on a similar frequency as Lynch when they made that game.
It's a collection of really nice reproductions of in-world letters and documents, with photos and illustrations.
A parallel dimension where half the actors are playing different part. I can't look at Warden Murphy without thinking of The Archivist because of that darn audiobook.
The (at the time) most important actor, Kyle MacLachlan does a pretty poor job. I got the audiobook version in part because it was our first chance to hear new material spoken by Cooper, but he ended up not sounding anything like Cooper (and not for story reasons).
plagiarize
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Why? That's a hard question to answer. To commune around Bob's formation perhaps.
If you meant 'how'... I don't think that's all that relevant. How are they anywhere? If they were tied to New Mexico, how were they in South Dakota? They seem to be able to travel through space pretty freely, disappearing and reappearing.
I suspect they gather around dark forces.
plagiarize
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Oh... oh, okay. I didn't realize that's figuratively-literally the Four Aces Movie Ranch set. Spooky.You don't say.
plagiarize
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Yup! Cool, no?
Don Draper's Hat
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Is there an eBook version of the Secrets of Twin Peaks (or whatever it's called) and is it set out in a legible way? Sometimes I struggle with picture books on the Kindle.
This was unlike anything I've ever seen on television before. I really feel like this season of Twin Peaks is going to go down in history as one of the most fascinating pieces of work of all time.
The whole episode was fucking incredible, start to finish. And who puts a fucking Nine Inch Nails concert in the middle of a television show? Amazing.
The whole episode was fucking incredible, start to finish. And who puts a fucking Nine Inch Nails concert in the middle of a television show? Amazing.
VistraNorrez
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He enjoys talking about the behind the scenes and what lead to the creation of an idea (how the red room came to be, for instance), but he hates talking about what it means.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of features show up on the blu-ray.
plagiarize
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I love thinking about how someone like Madchen sat down to watch Part 8 and also had zero idea of what she was about to see. The secrecy they've kept this under is part of what's really impressed me.
RepairmanJack
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I love hearing from some of the actors and them saying they could be in 1 episode or they could be in all of them. They just have no clue. It's just hilarious to think about, but also kind of sad for that original cast.
Daffy Duck
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I always thought the milky white eyes were a sign of who was a doppelganger in Red Room, in which case we saw Laura's in the season 2 finale.
Unrelated to that, are the Charcoal Man and the Woodsmen different entities, or different names for the same creatures?
Of all the things I thought might or might not happen in this season, never in a million years did I think Lynch would deliver a 1940/50s-era BOB origin story episode.
oh I thought it was just my TV or the compression on the Hulu stream. Yeah, any dark scenes can turn into a blurry, artifacting mess for me.
oh I thought it was just my TV or the compression on the Hulu stream. Yeah, any dark scenes can turn into a blurry, artifacting mess for me.
The Elite
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Is there a gallery for Part 7 anywhere?
Hmmm.....or perhaps it's the opposite? Maybe real Laura is indeed dead but her doppelganger will get out? I don't know why, but the idea of some form of Laura escaping the Red Room after 25 years intrigues me a lot.
Also, we need more Sheryl Lee and Ray Wise! I believe she's only been in 2 episodes so far, and him only in like a 30 second scene.
HashtagLapsed
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Maybe he created a Dougie of Laura to trick BOB.
RepairmanJack
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If this is showing the origin of Bob I kind of don't like it. Feels like explaining away the magic a little bit. Sort of like the Star Wars prequels and their handling of the force.
I liked it better when Bob and the lodge beings were just malevolent spirits in the woods around Twin Peaks that had been haunting the area for hundreds of years all the way back to Native American times.
That being said, I loved the Woodsman. He was creepy as fuck. I hear the guy who played him makes a living as an Abe Lincoln look alike.
I liked it better when Bob and the lodge beings were just malevolent spirits in the woods around Twin Peaks that had been haunting the area for hundreds of years all the way back to Native American times.
That being said, I loved the Woodsman. He was creepy as fuck. I hear the guy who played him makes a living as an Abe Lincoln look alike.
TheKastorian
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This.
MisterR
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Yep, that's been the problem with a lot of the revivals. They have been pale imitations of their prior self. This is something new and exciting. Lynch is actually trying to make something amazing, instead of cashing a check for nostalgia.
Ooooooohh
The Elite
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I don't know how you can watch that episode and think they explained away the magic. That episode was magic.
I mean, it's probably science but so advanced that our human minds can't comprehend what we are seeing so it's completely abstract, strange and beautiful.
I don't feel like they explained away the magic one bit.
Dusk Golem
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I personally think they had the 1945-1956 story pack some answers to explain some things of course (BUUUUUT I also am taking it not all the answers, and I've said this multiple times but I think some people's drawn conclusions from the episode are jumping the gun a bit) because of the relevancy it's about to have. While Lynch and Kyle have mentioned they're open to more Twin Peaks based on how this goes down, they have also been pretty clear this is the end of the story that was brought up in Seasons 1 & 2 and finished with 3, I take it if there was more Twin Peaks it'd feature a very different story (though to be honest I don't think there will be any more Twin Peaks after this season and the Mark Frost book, I think this is it probably, Lynch, the cast, and everyone certainly aren't getting any younger).
I think some people trying to compare this to Star Wars (I've seen at least four separate people draw comparisons to George Lucas with this) are missing why this isn't anything like that. While the episode takes place in the past, this isn't a prelude series, this is a final season to a tv show that's building up to its ending in 10 more episodes from now. To be honest I think everything being added has been in the plan for a long time for the universe. And I think the reason it was told wasn't just to tell us, I am almost 100% certain we were told right now because it's about to get very important to what's going to happen in the next 10 episodes.
While I don't think some people's conclusions right now are correct, there obviously were some reveals on long-standing stuff in this episode. And I don't think either Lynch nor Frost would decide to do this if there wasn't a point to reveal it right now. People are thinking of the past and not where this is going I think, and more so I think with some answers more questions are raised and this series is probably just going to raise more questions. This isn't a repeat of revealing who Laura's Killer was in Season 2 for example, this is something Frost and Lynch very much want to do with this story and honestly I would even argue it doesn't tell us much more than what we already knew, it just fills in some of the details (and then still leaves other things more ambiguous). More so they tell almost all of it in visual storytelling with no dialogue. This will lead people right now to draw some wrong conclusions, but it wasn't an exposition dump or anything, it was just watching a past event unfold.
I think the most important thing is it begins to connect several pieces of imagery of this season which I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of. BOB will be what attracts most people's attention, as will the convenience store as those are long-standing things in the series. But we also see how Mother/Experiment plays into this, how The Giant/????? does, how the Purple Ocean does, how the Gold balls we've been seeing do, how the strange Soot Hobo/Woodman does, we get introduced to some new elements like the atomic bomb drop and the Frog-Moth (not convinced it's BOB quite yet), and some other elements.
Despite seeing they're all connected and a few more details, there's still a lot of ambiguity about all of them I would say, and where they're going with all of these elements.
I think some people trying to compare this to Star Wars (I've seen at least four separate people draw comparisons to George Lucas with this) are missing why this isn't anything like that. While the episode takes place in the past, this isn't a prelude series, this is a final season to a tv show that's building up to its ending in 10 more episodes from now. To be honest I think everything being added has been in the plan for a long time for the universe. And I think the reason it was told wasn't just to tell us, I am almost 100% certain we were told right now because it's about to get very important to what's going to happen in the next 10 episodes.
While I don't think some people's conclusions right now are correct, there obviously were some reveals on long-standing stuff in this episode. And I don't think either Lynch nor Frost would decide to do this if there wasn't a point to reveal it right now. People are thinking of the past and not where this is going I think, and more so I think with some answers more questions are raised and this series is probably just going to raise more questions. This isn't a repeat of revealing who Laura's Killer was in Season 2 for example, this is something Frost and Lynch very much want to do with this story and honestly I would even argue it doesn't tell us much more than what we already knew, it just fills in some of the details (and then still leaves other things more ambiguous). More so they tell almost all of it in visual storytelling with no dialogue. This will lead people right now to draw some wrong conclusions, but it wasn't an exposition dump or anything, it was just watching a past event unfold.
I think the most important thing is it begins to connect several pieces of imagery of this season which I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of. BOB will be what attracts most people's attention, as will the convenience store as those are long-standing things in the series. But we also see how Mother/Experiment plays into this, how The Giant/????? does, how the Purple Ocean does, how the Gold balls we've been seeing do, how the strange Soot Hobo/Woodman does, we get introduced to some new elements like the atomic bomb drop and the Frog-Moth (not convinced it's BOB quite yet), and some other elements.
Despite seeing they're all connected and a few more details, there's still a lot of ambiguity about all of them I would say, and where they're going with all of these elements.
Emperor_Uriel
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Yep.
It's an extra shame because the Woodsman and his ilk are... well... woodsmen. They don't fit as well in a desert as they would have amongst the Douglas firs of Twin Peaks.
I really wonder why Lynch chose to move the narrative away from the town, I don't feel like the choice has led to anything worthwhile yet. The new characters have been way more justified than the new locations thus far.
I think my initial understanding (insofar as anyone is understanding this episode, lol) of the Black Lodge and its relationship to the Trinity bomb test might have been off. My interpretation while watching it was that the woodsmen/lodge spirits were people caught in the blast and are now haunting the Earth (with that bombed out convenience store being the Black Lodge itself, the same convenience store we see in FWWM and that Jeffries visits). But it looks like other people are going with the view that the Mother, woodsmen, Black Lodge, etc. always existed in some other world, and all the bomb did was open a gateway between our world and that one, which allowed the woodsmen to come through and BOB to be born?
VistraNorrez
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It certainly showed something we never saw and indicated an inception of sorts. So there is definitely more information. But I'm guessing it will be something we debate forever. Some will think it explained and others will think it only further clouded things.
Personally I like the first interpretation more - that we created BOB and unleashed all these horrors ourselves by being absorbed by greed and power and meddling with science. That resonates more with me than BOB et al being aliens from another dimension that entered our universe during the nuke explosion.
TheKastorian
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Nice recap of Episode 8 for those interested:
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...allbacks-woodsman-water-well-horse-white-eyes
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...allbacks-woodsman-water-well-horse-white-eyes
Intheflorsh
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The Secret History talks about a logging accident in Twin Peaks where eight lumberjacks died (including the Log Lady's husband). I think it's way more likely that's where the woodsmen originated rather than them being caught out in the blast in New Mexico.
In the Secret History of Twin Peaks, don't Lewis and Clark's letters make reference to the fact that they weren't the first caucasians the Pacific Northwest aboriginals had seen?
Wouldn't that suggest the Black Lodge and its inhabitants have always had some sort of presence in our world? At least in the surrounding area of Twin Peaks?
My memory is a bit hazy on this. Also, before anyone brings up the fact that Lynch doesn't necessarily consider that book canon, Mark Frost clearly does - so it's worth at least trying to unify them, so to speak.
Wouldn't that suggest the Black Lodge and its inhabitants have always had some sort of presence in our world? At least in the surrounding area of Twin Peaks?
My memory is a bit hazy on this. Also, before anyone brings up the fact that Lynch doesn't necessarily consider that book canon, Mark Frost clearly does - so it's worth at least trying to unify them, so to speak.
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