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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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Haha, God James was the worst.
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Deleted member 80556
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Well to be fair, she appeared before the first doppelganger appeared (The Arm's), and others appeared without the white eyes.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Hey, they all don't know any better! As far as Janey-E, Sonny Jim, and his co-workers know, he IS Dougie!!
I'm teasing, I know you mean people online but since everyone refers to him as Dougie on the show it feels natural to call him Dougie even though we all know it's Cooper.
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Deleted member 80556
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He'll be Cooper once he freaking wakes up. Argh, I can't believe I need to wait two weeks for the next episode, to know if he finally wakes up, or if we're going to '56 again. I'M DONE DIGESTING, I NEED MORE.
VistraNorrez
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Which ones? Leland's, Cooper's, Laura's and The Arm's all had them.
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Deleted member 80556
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Well, I mean that non-doppelganger characters in the Red Room appeared before Maddie, like Señor Droolcup, the Giant, Laura and The Arm.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
He was always the coolest.
Going back to Maddie, I would like some resolution but I think this show with its unpredictability has made me give up on a concrete explanation of anything at this point. Feels like we are going to have to interpret stuff after this season.
Personally I'd like to believe BOB existed before the 1945 scene. Part of it is just that I prefer him as something primeval, but the way he stands out from the Mother's eggs makes me think he's hitchhiking in a way. And considering his orb appearance matches up with the one in the Doop scene I feel like it's fair to say it wasn't necessarily his birth (though the latter certainly shared the imagery of one).
We know enough about the history of Twin Peaks, thanks to The History of Twin Peaks, to know the lodge business didn't start with an atomic bomb test, question is when BOB first became active in the area. I don't think the book mentioned anything like that, but it certainly implied Native Americans had seen lodge-y Caucasians before the arrival of Lewis and Clark.
Pain and suffering is their jam, and you can't get much more pain and suffering than an atomic bomb. If you view the 1945 scene as the opening of a new bridge between the two worlds it could very well be he's simply tagging along for the ride, attracted by the Garmonbozia in the area.
I really don't think BOB's one of those frog critters, the one we saw hatch came from one of the Mother's eggs that looked nothing like BOB in that one scene. The way I see it, those are being spread after the test by Mother to increase the influence of lodge beings. The woodsman seems to be doing the same thing with his radio message, and it's that message that appears to allow for the critter we followed to enter the girl's mouth. They appear to be working together. (Drink full and descend is pretty much welcoming folks for a Garmonbozia party, no?).
Our Woodsman guys also seem to be empowered by the area considering the killing our radio man pulls off, and in general, by their physical nature around the place. So maybe this period is merely the moment BOB became strong enough to break free? We saw the convenience store, but we couldn't see what was going on inside. What if it was the meeting we saw in FWWM? We never got a date for it, and we know Jeffries travels through time so it could very well be.
Note that it's in the extended version that TMFAP says the line "from pure air we have descended". Certainly brings to mind the radio thing, and "pure air" could very well be related to a nuclear explosion?
But if we were to take the descend as the arrival of these lodge influences in 1945 the whole history of the lodge no longer works, so I'm interpreting it as more of an empowerment of sorts for now.
We know enough about the history of Twin Peaks, thanks to The History of Twin Peaks, to know the lodge business didn't start with an atomic bomb test, question is when BOB first became active in the area. I don't think the book mentioned anything like that, but it certainly implied Native Americans had seen lodge-y Caucasians before the arrival of Lewis and Clark.
Pain and suffering is their jam, and you can't get much more pain and suffering than an atomic bomb. If you view the 1945 scene as the opening of a new bridge between the two worlds it could very well be he's simply tagging along for the ride, attracted by the Garmonbozia in the area.
I really don't think BOB's one of those frog critters, the one we saw hatch came from one of the Mother's eggs that looked nothing like BOB in that one scene. The way I see it, those are being spread after the test by Mother to increase the influence of lodge beings. The woodsman seems to be doing the same thing with his radio message, and it's that message that appears to allow for the critter we followed to enter the girl's mouth. They appear to be working together. (Drink full and descend is pretty much welcoming folks for a Garmonbozia party, no?).
Our Woodsman guys also seem to be empowered by the area considering the killing our radio man pulls off, and in general, by their physical nature around the place. So maybe this period is merely the moment BOB became strong enough to break free? We saw the convenience store, but we couldn't see what was going on inside. What if it was the meeting we saw in FWWM? We never got a date for it, and we know Jeffries travels through time so it could very well be.
Note that it's in the extended version that TMFAP says the line "from pure air we have descended". Certainly brings to mind the radio thing, and "pure air" could very well be related to a nuclear explosion?
But if we were to take the descend as the arrival of these lodge influences in 1945 the whole history of the lodge no longer works, so I'm interpreting it as more of an empowerment of sorts for now.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
VistraNorrez
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That's great. We never see her that close right? Gonna have to watch Episode 29 on the big screen later.
(it's okay to cry)
(also, R.I.P. Donna)
There's no mention of her at all, it's weird. Granted she was involved with several terrible sub plots in season 2 and I have no interest in seeing those play out, but still.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Also holy hell at this Tweet: https://twitter.com/ThatsOurWaldo/status/879736182363607040
The two relevant clips:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/67d0836b-6062-4cb2-b591-e6c2813aa5d4
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ef87beda-0422-4fcd-930a-94f3402379bb
(reminds me of some stuff people pointed out in the original series could very well be hinting towards the woodmen and the nuclear explosion.)
The two relevant clips:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/67d0836b-6062-4cb2-b591-e6c2813aa5d4
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ef87beda-0422-4fcd-930a-94f3402379bb
(reminds me of some stuff people pointed out in the original series could very well be hinting towards the woodmen and the nuclear explosion.)
Episode 29? What?
Haloid1177
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Wait it's on a two week break? After that episode? Oh my god.
RepairmanJack
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Even weirder: Her Father has already been on it, and I believe both of her sisters are credited to appear. Think they actually talked about this on one of the podcasts from the episode before last as the mother of the kid who got ran over kind of resembled Donna.
Showtime has always seemed to oddly stick to the 'July 4th week off' thing.
Barring her story with Harold Smith, I say she had nothing good going plot wise with her.
Rewatching the whole show after it's over (again) will certainly be a doozy.
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Deleted member 80556
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Bob's actor even has his own picture with white eyes, but he doesn't appear in the episode with those eyes.
Richard Beymer took great photos, though.
VistraNorrez
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Season 2 finale. Lynch/Frost only ever names the episodes by number.
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Deleted member 80556
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Next you're going to tell me that the names like "Beyond Life and Death" were made up by some German TV company.
Interesting.
Did Leland grow up in Twin Peaks? And do we know his age circa '89? Curious if MIKE is just saying BOB has been in TP for the last forty years as opposed to "he's been in our world for the last forty years".
Do you mean her "dad" or Ben Horne?
Haha remember that plot point that Horne was her real father? Season 2 reeeeeally sucked at points.
Hm. Still going with my BOB has been around for longer than that interpretation, but that certainly changes some key details. He can still be primeval this way, but maybe he really did only arrive in "our world" after the nuclear explosion... In that case I gotta wonder what kind of lodge beings have been active before this though. It does seem like TMFAP (and probably MIKE by proxy) "descended" around the same time as BOB.
Anyway, it's very neat how much of this stuff appears to have been hinted at in the original series, yeah. We do know they took a look at the original season 3 plans for this season, so maybe this really had part of their plans from back then.
Someone has also pointed out earlier that the green stone imagery from FWWM could be trinitite, I thought that was really interesting too.
poppos2097
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You can see a snippet of a deleted scene from the season 2 finale in the Blu Ray boxset menu video on the 10th disc showing Bob saying "Fire walk with me" with doppelganger eyes.
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Deleted member 80556
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We don't, but her eyes are noticeably brighter.
Ah yes! My memory failed me then.
RepairmanJack
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Their last appearance is Hayward trying to strangle Horne. Apparently it resolved peacefully.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Ratings are out.
This is the first decrease since the wacky VOD release of episodes 3 and 4 created an artificial decrease in week 2.
This is the first decrease since the wacky VOD release of episodes 3 and 4 created an artificial decrease in week 2.
RepairmanJack
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Ratings are out.
This is the first decrease since the wacky VOD release of episodes 3 and 4 created an artificial decrease in week 2.
Really interested in seeing the drop off after this episode.
I would guess a lot of people that were somehow still on the fence are out after that episode.
VistraNorrez
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If ratings manage to go up on July 9th that would be the greatest twist of all.
Curious to see more streaming numbers.
Curious to see more streaming numbers.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Ratings are out.
This is the first decrease since the wacky VOD release of episodes 3 and 4 created an artificial decrease in week 2.
Still not counting streaming numbers?
HashtagLapsed
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They would have known how the ratings would be. Look at what they just aired, as much as I love it.
Its a shame but it is what it is.
Its a shame but it is what it is.
radios shipping overview
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The Woodsmen gave me flashbacks to the man in the alley in Mulholland Dr. *shudder*
Zoe
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I would think the drop-off would be bad regardless due to the break.
RepairmanJack
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This is what it reminded me of right away, which made me completely forget the Woodsmen and associate them with some kind of dread or misery and being "knowing" similar to how the person behind Wiggly's was shown to be.
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If it doesn't count streaming numbers, then I might venture to say that those numbers are irrelevant. And to quite honest, I don't need them to know I'm having the time of my life with this show.
But still, thanks, Bam.
But still, thanks, Bam.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
As Mulholland Drive was originally supposed to be a Twin Peaks spin-off, in my mind the hobo from that film is basically the Woodsman. They look insanely similar to each other, but we don't really see enough of the hobo in MD to say much more.
RepairmanJack
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Yeah, that's true. More just interested in the drop off due to the episodes content. Before I watched it all I saw were twitter reactions of the episode being "Out there."
I think their pointless regardless because it's all going to air regardless and we were likely never going to get more. They're still interesting though.
I don't think it was meant to really be a "spin-off" more that it just arose out of the idea of trying to spin things out from it. I think they had the idea of Audrey going to Hollywood and Lynch just got lost on the idea and turned it into something else.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
It became it's own thing and is not related, but the origin is there. More so I think the possibility is there since being frank, there's a LOT of signs part of what Lynch is doing is making tings related to things he never got to make. This season has seemingly pulled from elements from several of his scrapped projects, not just unused ideas from Twin Peaks Season 3's original concept, but there's been direct references to things from Ronnie Rocket, Saliva Bubbles, and the like. So I wouldn't be surprised if some things from the original television series of Mulholland Drive ended up popping in this series too.
The Elite
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The whole thing is already in the can. No take backs now. I got my Twin Peaks!
Buttonbasher
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I'm just so thrilled that Twin Peaks has turned out in a way that allows for us to talk about "The Mother vomiting the BOB egg in 1956" and "The golden Laura sphere" and "The Mauve Place". I can't stop thinking about how this show is going for it, and love that I get to watch week by week and theorize with the people here about stuff.
RepairmanJack
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Gotcha, completely agree.
Anxiously awaiting the weird tin-looking man in the lawn chairs in the middle of the desert.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Oh, while I'm thinking over unsolved mysteries from the original series that probably will never be solved.
Who do we think the Hooded Figure is we see a few times during Season 2 of the show? You only see him twice, during the scene when Major Brigg's disappears in the flash of light and during this scene where we see the figure abstractly and in his hood is the moon:
But I don't think it's ever revealed who it is, and I kind of doubt Season 3 is going to ever explore it.
Who do we think the Hooded Figure is we see a few times during Season 2 of the show? You only see him twice, during the scene when Major Brigg's disappears in the flash of light and during this scene where we see the figure abstractly and in his hood is the moon:
But I don't think it's ever revealed who it is, and I kind of doubt Season 3 is going to ever explore it.
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