This episode kinda made me think back to end of season 2 of Millennium which had a commercial break to commercial break sequence of crazy imagery backdropped with a song. No where near as crazy as episode 8, but just made me think back to that which was cool the time.
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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wanderingprostheyltite
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Same, though my intro to Lynch was Blue Velvet, and that too rewrote my idea of what film could be.
This was before the DVD release, when the Eraserhead VHS was out of print. Had to rent it from Scarecrow Video in Seattle, they specialize in having a bunch of rare/out of print films, its a film geek's wonderland. Had to put down a few hundred dollar deposit just to rent it. Was appropriately confounded and intrigued
It's such a satisfying film for rewatches. Just soaking up that atmosphere is one of the best cinematic experiences out there. So glad we're getting shades of that in the new season.
Frank West
Banned
BTW: Is Dune considered to be a Lynch movie? I saw it many many years ago and I thought it was terrible. The only bad Lynch movie. Then I started research online and I read that David Lynch himself hates it because the studio(s) had too much involvement and changed a lot.
I believe him because it really doesn't look like a Lynch movie.
Oh and I haven't seen "A straight story" yet. Should I watch it? I've heard it's more straightforward?!
I know this is OT but someone mentioned Dune so I thought this is a good place to ask these questions.
I believe him because it really doesn't look like a Lynch movie.
Oh and I haven't seen "A straight story" yet. Should I watch it? I've heard it's more straightforward?!
I know this is OT but someone mentioned Dune so I thought this is a good place to ask these questions.
Corpsepyre
Banned
I just broke up with my gf after she told me the new episodes were shit, boring and that the 8th ep was the worst thing she's ever seen. we normally don't see eye to eye when it comes to film and music, but this just went overboard. A part of me is happy it ended here.
VistraNorrez
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Dune had heavy studio influence. Lynch had a terrible experience. There's an extended cut but Lynch wants nothing to do with the film.
There are still some great visuals in the film but it's very clearly a compromised work.
There are still some great visuals in the film but it's very clearly a compromised work.
Count Dookkake
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Good man.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Smart move.
This is a very good way to phrase it. I think I may lift this in talking about it to other people who watch the show and are... less Lynchian, let's say.
Net_Wrecker
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Yes. It's brilliant.
Frank West
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plagiarize
Banned
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
now you can marry david lynch
my mom is single
It's worth it for the Angelo Badalamenti soundtrack alone.
https://youtu.be/xk8Y-XxaAog
The film is also a perfect film.
High five!
I consider it perfect too - it's not my favourite film, sure, but there's not a damn thing I'd change about it. Everything is just spot on from beginning to end, IMO.
You made the right choice.
uncle_koploski
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i just rewatched part 8 with a friend.
revolutionary tv.
revolutionary tv.
plagiarize
Banned
After rewatching part 8 and going to bed last night I got this feeling as I was lying awake staring at the ceiling... a complex emotion. I've got to try and capture it in words.
Great art inspires.
I'm going to go and bang out a few thousands words. Kiddie scribbles compared to what we're seeing unfold, but this need to convey what I'm feeling right now, is a rare and special thing.
Great art inspires.
I'm going to go and bang out a few thousands words. Kiddie scribbles compared to what we're seeing unfold, but this need to convey what I'm feeling right now, is a rare and special thing.
I think some of you are over-praising episode 8. Yet, it's honestly the most fantastical episode of the entire series, and, personally, I feel like he finally did something interesting.
However, I think it's like the highlight so far only because everything else has been kind of meandering.
Episode one was so rough, and there hasn't been an episode so far that hasn't had some goofy shit that makes me go, "Damn, Lynch just robbed Showtime!" Not that Showtime has much of a high bar to go with it.
I'm overall ambivalent about the entirety of the season.
However, I think it's like the highlight so far only because everything else has been kind of meandering.
Episode one was so rough, and there hasn't been an episode so far that hasn't had some goofy shit that makes me go, "Damn, Lynch just robbed Showtime!" Not that Showtime has much of a high bar to go with it.
I'm overall ambivalent about the entirety of the season.
uncle_koploski
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i disagree
I think the people (myself included) who are absolutely enthralled with part 8 are likely huge film/art nerds, people who like certain directing styles or appreciate experimental type imagery in film.
The atomic bomb sequence was basically straight out of 2001 a space odyssey, the convenience store sequence was some nightmarish twilight zone imagery, and the desert / girl swallowing bug stuff was just.. something on its own.
I appreciate and am in awe that in 2017, this kind of episode aired on broadcast television.
For me, one of the things I've always wanted to see in a movie was a really incredible nuclear explosion in exquisite detail. When that scene started, I was just purely in awe, not knowing what to expect, but man I was not disappointed.
Does it tell a story? Does it mean anything? At a glance, probably not, but I have a feeling all the weird shit we're seeing will somehow come together bit by bit over the next 10 episodes.
We may not get all the answers, but this is not 1990 anymore. Twin Peaks was way ahead of its time then, and I imagine in a few years we'll look back on this season and see its influence on a lot of the television we'll be watching in the future.
Look, I thought it was brilliant that it instantly reminded me of Eraserhead and The Lady in the Radiator and the Mutant Baby, and that I felt like I could have been watching an extended clip of Doctor Strange-Love. But, eh, I'm not as impressed. Especially, when I consider the entirety of the season to be so messy.
Nah man I get it, there have been parts of episodes this season that have felt like they went on too long (Sweeping at the roadhouse anyone?) and serve no real purpose other than to potentially pad out episodes for runtime.
I think though, for me, Ep 8 was just such a major departure from what we all thought it was going to be. Things were starting to veer towards 'normal' in the last two parts, and then we get this as a huge curveball especially before a two week break.
It was different, and it's what resonated with me most.
I think though, for me, Ep 8 was just such a major departure from what we all thought it was going to be. Things were starting to veer towards 'normal' in the last two parts, and then we get this as a huge curveball especially before a two week break.
It was different, and it's what resonated with me most.
Drink full and descend.
I actually thought that the season was going to be more like this episode. But now I just think they blew their budget with the effects and had to resort to doing Evangelion padding elsewhere.
Yeah, I recently watched a bunch of Bergman films for the first time on Filmstruck and it's pretty obvious how massively influential he was for Lynch.
Like, you don't have Lynch without Persona, Hour of the Wolf, etc. It's all over stuff like Blue Velvet, Lost Highway, Twin Peaks.
One thing the two directors clearly have in common is the ability "to create such an environment of menace when nothing is actually happening."
A think a lot of Lynch's technique in camera movement, editing and sound design is informed by Bergman.
And by the way, you guys should totally watch Persona and Hour of the Wolf. Slow-burn psyche-exploring, crisis-of-the-spirit madness.
http://girlmeetsfreak.com/2013/02/01/movie-discussion-ingmar-bergmans-hour-of-the-wolf-1968/
I woke up with "this is the water and this is the well" stuck in my head and I immediately had to do this first thing in the morning. It's as if something was telling me that this has to exist (it does not, it should not).
Goddammit, brain, you're better than this.
Goddammit, brain, you're better than this.
Drink full and waaa.
The Giant and Senorita Dido scene, along with Badalamenti's music. Beautiful.
Chance Hale
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Does there exist a gif of the arm screaming nonexistent?
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
So I'm still fascinated that this season of Twin Peaks may inspired by some of Lynch's scrapped projects, but I am personally thinking these four projects of his are the most evident he's been pulling from:
-Ronnie Rocket
This is apparently Lynch's most thought about movie that never got made. It's one of the earliest films he ever conceived, apparently he was thinking about this movie all the way back since he was working on Eraserhead and was still thinking about it after Lost Highway. He's revised the script multiple times, with these two versions having become available online:
The version from around the time he was working on Dune: http://www.lynchnet.com/rrscript.html
The version from around the time he was working on Wild At Heart: http://www.lynchnet.com/ronnyr.htm
Script followed two characters, a sort of Frankenstein-esque human machine who would dance and sing when charged with electricity and a detective looking into a strange industrial town the movie was set in. Both versions of the script have drastic differences, and the movie has a lot of strange elements from the detective having a special power no one else can do by being able to put a finger on his nose while standing on one leg, to a scene of them hiding out in a woman's place and going to her basement and finding nightmare teens and a gruesome scene.
The elements that reflect strongest in this season are the strong themes the film had about electricity and gold. The current of electricity and the properties of electricity and strange machines were a big part of Ronnie Rocket, and gold was a reoccurring thing in the second script especially with the film even ending when the characters all float and ascend to a Golden Planet and Ronnie turns into a golden orb.
There's a few scenes in the new season that have HEAVILY reminded of Ronnie Rocket, and the tagline of the movie and how Lynch always described Ronnie Rocket, "The Absurd Mystery of The Strange Forces of Existence," is literally said by Albert in Part 3 of the new series.
-One Saliva Bubble
This was an early project by David Lynch and Mark Frost, it was their pitch for a tv series before Twin Peaks ended up being what they were going with. This one also has a screenplay available online, which you can read here: http://www.lynchnet.com/osbscript.html
It's described as a comedy where a secret government project goes wrong, and several characters in a small town change identities. Not only is there some early Twin Peaks in the concept, but some of the stuff in the new season involving Dougie is very reminiscent of some parts of One Saliva Bubble.
-Woodcutters From Fiery Ships
This doesn't have a screenplay available, but it was a series being produced between Lynch and some Japanese anime studios, it was to be about a group of woodcutters on a ship and they smoke pipes and apparently look terrifying. There weren't a lot of details, but I'm sure you can begin to put together why I suspect this scrapped thing may have been pulled from in the new Twin peaks.
-Metamorphosis
Lynch wanted to do an adaption of Kafka with his own conventions, but it didn't go through for a few reasons. He wanted to create a believable and disgusting bug thing, Lynch never described the series in detail but mentioned he loved Kafka and had a script that was close to his heart. With Kafka popping up a few times this new season and the Frog-Bug we got in the new series with impressive effects when one of the things we know is Lynch thought they couldn't do what he wanted with the 'bug' back then for his script, I have a sneaking suspicion he's snuck some of this into the newest Twin Peaks too.
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Those are four scrapped projects of his I have a feeling he's been finally able to explore some in the new season, though also of course there's things from their original Twin Peaks Season 3 ideas, and I also suspect maybe some scrapped things from the original Mulholland Drive concept when it was Twin Peaks related.
-Ronnie Rocket
This is apparently Lynch's most thought about movie that never got made. It's one of the earliest films he ever conceived, apparently he was thinking about this movie all the way back since he was working on Eraserhead and was still thinking about it after Lost Highway. He's revised the script multiple times, with these two versions having become available online:
The version from around the time he was working on Dune: http://www.lynchnet.com/rrscript.html
The version from around the time he was working on Wild At Heart: http://www.lynchnet.com/ronnyr.htm
Script followed two characters, a sort of Frankenstein-esque human machine who would dance and sing when charged with electricity and a detective looking into a strange industrial town the movie was set in. Both versions of the script have drastic differences, and the movie has a lot of strange elements from the detective having a special power no one else can do by being able to put a finger on his nose while standing on one leg, to a scene of them hiding out in a woman's place and going to her basement and finding nightmare teens and a gruesome scene.
The elements that reflect strongest in this season are the strong themes the film had about electricity and gold. The current of electricity and the properties of electricity and strange machines were a big part of Ronnie Rocket, and gold was a reoccurring thing in the second script especially with the film even ending when the characters all float and ascend to a Golden Planet and Ronnie turns into a golden orb.
There's a few scenes in the new season that have HEAVILY reminded of Ronnie Rocket, and the tagline of the movie and how Lynch always described Ronnie Rocket, "The Absurd Mystery of The Strange Forces of Existence," is literally said by Albert in Part 3 of the new series.
-One Saliva Bubble
This was an early project by David Lynch and Mark Frost, it was their pitch for a tv series before Twin Peaks ended up being what they were going with. This one also has a screenplay available online, which you can read here: http://www.lynchnet.com/osbscript.html
It's described as a comedy where a secret government project goes wrong, and several characters in a small town change identities. Not only is there some early Twin Peaks in the concept, but some of the stuff in the new season involving Dougie is very reminiscent of some parts of One Saliva Bubble.
-Woodcutters From Fiery Ships
This doesn't have a screenplay available, but it was a series being produced between Lynch and some Japanese anime studios, it was to be about a group of woodcutters on a ship and they smoke pipes and apparently look terrifying. There weren't a lot of details, but I'm sure you can begin to put together why I suspect this scrapped thing may have been pulled from in the new Twin peaks.
-Metamorphosis
Lynch wanted to do an adaption of Kafka with his own conventions, but it didn't go through for a few reasons. He wanted to create a believable and disgusting bug thing, Lynch never described the series in detail but mentioned he loved Kafka and had a script that was close to his heart. With Kafka popping up a few times this new season and the Frog-Bug we got in the new series with impressive effects when one of the things we know is Lynch thought they couldn't do what he wanted with the 'bug' back then for his script, I have a sneaking suspicion he's snuck some of this into the newest Twin Peaks too.
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Those are four scrapped projects of his I have a feeling he's been finally able to explore some in the new season, though also of course there's things from their original Twin Peaks Season 3 ideas, and I also suspect maybe some scrapped things from the original Mulholland Drive concept when it was Twin Peaks related.
I really like Dune, (Baron Harkonnen's) warts and all. It's trying to be a blockbuster, so it has a different tone, but I don't agree that it doesn't look like a Lynch film. It does so way better than half of Part 7.
It's a poor adaptation and a pretty sizable mess, but it's worth watching for the visuals alone. There's no sci-fi like Lynch sci-fi and that despite not doing justice to the novel, that movie defined the look of Dune for decades.
The Straight Story is simply lovely. I've been foolishly avoiding it for a long time because its straightforwardness and "lightness" made it seem like it wouldn't feel like a Lynch film, but it's a Lynch film through and through. Maybe a little slower, but surely the new Twin Peaks prepared you for that.
Ah, crap, now I want to track down a copy of the Access Guide. Of all the things to suddenly become relevant to the show...Now this is a cool find, someone on reddit saw this on page 14 of the book Twin Peaks: An Access Guide to the Town originally published in 1991 (and written by Frost and Lynch):
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6ju0ml/s3e8spoilers_uself_titled_found_this_im_just/
Finding breadcrumbs like this for their potential initial season 3 plans going back that far is a treat.
I'd love to hear the full(ish) story behind this.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
I remember Lynch and Frost were going to do a Marilyn Monroe biopic
Are you sure about it being planned as a series? I've only heard about it being a "CD ROM game" (what I wouldn't give to see a David Lynch video game, or anything interactive or designed to be literally non-linear).
KO Traveling Hobo
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In another life, David Lynch is most known for his series of low budget FMV horror games. Imagine the creepypasta.
I wonder if he's ever played any video games or if someone has shown him VR. I get the feeling he might actually dig some VR stuff since he's obsessed with painting.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I have my doubts on both accounts. Lynch has said in a few recent interviews as well he hasn't seen a new movie since 2010 and he doesn't think about what his works have inspired and his doctor tells him not to look into what people think about what he does online. So he doesn't.
Whenever asked about the phenomena on which Twin Peaks has had on media even to this day, he always responds with something that essentially is him saying he doesn't really look into what he's inspired or not.
It was a PC game meant to be like an interactive FMV game, but the main thing we know is some of the loose details and basic synopsis. Sad it never came to be, though.
Well, there was a virtual reality theater at the Festival of Disruption and VVVR devs were asked to present at the "private opening party to bring people into a transcendental meditation experience," so he certainly had a chance to try it.
Discotheque
Banned
A david lynch vr game would probably put me in cardiac arrest
I don't think I could handle it
I don't think I could handle it
31GhostsIV
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Cooking with David Presents: Quinoa in VR
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