True, but that doesn't rule out that EVERYTHING is a dream. I mean, it's Lynch; there's not much difference between dream and reality for him.
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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True, but that doesn't rule out that EVERYTHING is a dream. I mean, it's Lynch; there's not much difference between dream and reality for him.
Vyse The Legend
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I mean, that's one of the worst, amateurish tropes imaginable, and I'd like to think Lynch and Frost are above pulling that nonsense.
I know what you mean, but if it did pan out like that, I don't think it would be as simple as Cooper waking up and going "thank goodness, it was all a dream!" More like a revelation that what we perceive as reality is more dream-like than we realize.
I mean, you can say that both Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive (and heck, even Eraserhead) are all or mostly "dreams", but that doesn't take anything away from their meaning.
Adam_Vania
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just got caught up on the last 2 episodes as i was out last week on vacation. still really loving this show! i loved the reveal of "Damn good" and the whole pie thing. i love that this show is still masterfully trolling people who demand a trope-laden return to Twin Peaks. taking Dougie to the doctor was epic level there. yes of course the doctor is going to look at him and say his body is in perfect condition, nothing wrong here! Cooper is in a state of spiritual distress, a western doctor is only good at evaluating the flesh, concerning himself with matter. in the world of Twin Peaks he is out of his element.
the pay-off that Dougie would win over the people that have tried to murder him for 10 episodes and they would all be sitting gleefully eating cherry pie was just incredible. and Jim Belushi! damn, this has to be the best acting of his life. what an amazing turn. so believable as a shifty New Jersey crook.
what else? Gordon Cole's hallucinations, the introduction of the woodsmen into the modern era, Cooper finally getting some action after 27 years. he never actually got laid on-camera in the original show did he?
biggest WTF is a toss up between the sky turning into a vortex and the zombie kid growing out of the car seat. the latter was so creepy and so well done. i gotta hand it to this show, i am constantly asking myself what the heck i just saw!
the pay-off that Dougie would win over the people that have tried to murder him for 10 episodes and they would all be sitting gleefully eating cherry pie was just incredible. and Jim Belushi! damn, this has to be the best acting of his life. what an amazing turn. so believable as a shifty New Jersey crook.
what else? Gordon Cole's hallucinations, the introduction of the woodsmen into the modern era, Cooper finally getting some action after 27 years. he never actually got laid on-camera in the original show did he?
biggest WTF is a toss up between the sky turning into a vortex and the zombie kid growing out of the car seat. the latter was so creepy and so well done. i gotta hand it to this show, i am constantly asking myself what the heck i just saw!
It really, really isn't. You're probably thinking of a twist along the lines of "it was all a dream and none of it really happened," but dream narratives can be so much more than that. It could be that Twin Peaks's entire reality is a magical dream world. All that really changes about our understanding of its events is that they didn't take place in our reality, which.... they didn't anyway.
Adam_Vania
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if it turned out to be all Log Ladies dream and the final episode was a tribute to a dying actress that would be cool
imo the more the show goes on the less i think parts of it are real and other parts are less real. i used to buy into the fake reality theories but i think its just a crazy reality.
imo the more the show goes on the less i think parts of it are real and other parts are less real. i used to buy into the fake reality theories but i think its just a crazy reality.
Vyse The Legend
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They did a cut away, but he did sleep with Annie in the original series.
And, that's exactly why it's ultimately pointless. It adds nothing to the show's narrative, as Twin Peaks already broaches the topic of alternate dimensions, realities and perception in more interesting ways. IT WAS A DREAM would be a twist for the sake of having one.
Exactly.
Finale Fireworker
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I'm in the camp that everything being not-real, however it is explained, it s poor trope that adds nothing and serves only to undermine the story that's just been told.
It is funny that the only good "it was all a dream" story I've ever seen is Mulholland Drive and I doubt Lynch would do the same thing in Twin Peaks. The Usual Suspects is another good "none of it was real" ending. But these examples are few and far between and I would be disappointed if a show like Twin Peaks ended this way.
It is funny that the only good "it was all a dream" story I've ever seen is Mulholland Drive and I doubt Lynch would do the same thing in Twin Peaks. The Usual Suspects is another good "none of it was real" ending. But these examples are few and far between and I would be disappointed if a show like Twin Peaks ended this way.
Who says it has to be a twist? It wouldn't be nonsense, it would still alter our understanding of the world the show takes place in allow for new kinds of stories to be told within it.
So does the Cthulhu mythos, and yet Lovecraft's dreamlands storied didn't become "pointless" just because his world had more layers to it.
Slightly Live
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Imagine if that was the final scene of the series.
Cooper taking a somehow reincarnate Laura home to her mum.
I guess I don't get what you're saying. The idea that there could be another layer and that most all of the show is just one dimension of a grander tale--don't we already have that with the Lodges?
What I'm saying is: I absolutely cannot imagine something along the lines of "it was all Johnny Horne's dream." The more nuanced version of having linked layers of dreamlike reality is already something we have. So what would this reveal be?
Like everything it depends how its used. It's not automatically bad: nothing is.
That said it does often feel poorly deployed.
Luckily one of the best directors in film for this narrative device is Lynch so if they do pull a late series switcheroo similar to Mullholland Drive I'm comfortable (given that, Lost Highway and Eraserhead alone) that it'll be fine.
I don't see it actually happening though on evidence of current episodes but you never know.
Dreams have always been a big part of the show, even in the second episode of the first season when they're throwing rocks at bottles; Cooper says he got the idea from a dream. Then in Fire Walk With Me, Cooper has dreams about the black lodge years before he goes to Twin Peaks. There are plenty of examples.
I really doubt we're heading towards a "it was all a dream" thing.
Adam_Vania
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i am really loving how much Mulholland Drive is in this we have no only Naomi Watts but the return of Rebekah Del Rio, the singer of that insane Roy Orbison cover. in Mulholland Drive she was a shattered visage crumbling to the floor, makeup smeared, clothed in messy muddy blood red, her performance eerily piping in via off-stage tape playback. now she looks amazing and full of life, adorned in that beautiful zig zag dress, and we hear her sing, and it is a glorious triumph of life.
Mulholland Drive 2001
Twin Peaks 2017
a friend of mine thinks Naomi's character in both are the same but i disagree. there may be nothing deeper than David Lynch being given this huge budget and why not work with all these actors and musicians again? i do enjoy the opportunity for Lynch to work with all of these actors and performers with a big budget and creative freedom. very often they appear shattered, ever distracted, beaten down by time physically and spiritually. sometimes we are graced with their final hours of real life. sometimes they appear before us in angelic and perfect forms, shimmering like the lights we keep seeing in the sky. Twin Peaks has always had its share of miracles and from time to time we are blessed. it is truly a blessing to be able to spend time with all these actors again.
as a lifelong fan of David Lynch and Twin Peaks this is like going to heaven and winning the lottery every day for eternity.
Mulholland Drive 2001
Twin Peaks 2017
a friend of mine thinks Naomi's character in both are the same but i disagree. there may be nothing deeper than David Lynch being given this huge budget and why not work with all these actors and musicians again? i do enjoy the opportunity for Lynch to work with all of these actors and performers with a big budget and creative freedom. very often they appear shattered, ever distracted, beaten down by time physically and spiritually. sometimes we are graced with their final hours of real life. sometimes they appear before us in angelic and perfect forms, shimmering like the lights we keep seeing in the sky. Twin Peaks has always had its share of miracles and from time to time we are blessed. it is truly a blessing to be able to spend time with all these actors again.
as a lifelong fan of David Lynch and Twin Peaks this is like going to heaven and winning the lottery every day for eternity.
plagiarize
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That more than adequately describes how I feel right now.
watching episode 11 atm and can't get the Ubisoft logo out of my head.
That's Moby playing the guitar right?
Twin Peaks 2017
That's Moby playing the guitar right?
Yes, it's called "Reinsurance" and insurance companies do it all the time.
Honking Lady and Zombie girl scene.
I could watch this forever.
I could watch this forever.
Someone should make an endless 10 hour loop of this clip, it's amazing. I hate the fact youtube doesn't have a repeat button
Adam_Vania
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yeah! loved it. leave it to David Lynch to let Moby and Jim Belushi do awesome performances in 2017.
i really enjoyed the creepy Richard Horne invasion where Johnny is tied to a chair and looking at the trippy as heck psychedelic teddy bear. that whole scene was so creepy and twisted in a Blue Velvet way. at one point i just had to laugh, it was cosmically tragic just how fucked these people were. and gore free! just the threat of violence was effective enough.
that scene it reminded me a LOT of Clockwork Orange. they even have some 2001-style waltz music playing in the background. they are really pushing the dark black humor this series.
a Master Ninja
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Thank you.
Adam_Vania
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yes i love it. sooo creepy! between this and the jumping bug monster they are upping the game.
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Twin Peaks 2017
It's like wearing the bands Tshirt to the show, I hated thst dress.
plagiarize
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Fucking asshole.
Intheflorsh
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^ I don't get it.
Edit: Ah, okay.
Edit: Ah, okay.
plagiarize
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It's Mike's office where he shouts at Steve in Part 5.
Please explain... I'm now hooked and need to know.
Fucking asshole.
EDIT: thanks to previous poster
It's the casino lady scene I've been going back to. It's just so good, Badalamenti's track, "heartbreaking", has got to be one of my favourites of his. It gets me all emotional. ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NPG2Fb0iy8
I've been a pretty big fan of Dougie Coop, but if this is supposed to be his "ending" of sorts as some people have been speculating I'd be 100% okay with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NPG2Fb0iy8
I've been a pretty big fan of Dougie Coop, but if this is supposed to be his "ending" of sorts as some people have been speculating I'd be 100% okay with that.
JoJoShabadoo
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You mean it's not the dean from Community?
plagiarize
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The inside skinny is that they are going to wait a few years before attempting more. No idea if Showtime are on board, but that's what I heard from people who talked to David. Sounds like they're thinking about it anyways. Fingers crossed!
Did you mean to quote me there? If so I think I wasn't clear enough there, sorry about that, I just meant to say that scene would be a pretty great end (well, the beginning of the end at least), to Cooper's Dougie state. Things have gone full circle by meeting the lady again and it shows the good he has done to the world.
Anyway that doesn't matter much, I'm really interested in what you're saying regarding future Twin Peaks continuations too! I had been thinking Lynch was interested from his interview responses which was pretty surprising to me. So that would make sense for sure.
Indiewire wrote about the honking/vomiting scene as well.
Why David Lynch Has Become the Most Important Actor on Twin Peaks
Why David Lynch Has Become the Most Important Actor on Twin Peaks
plagiarize
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I did, but I didn't really get what you were talking about. Very much in vacation mode. About to hike down to the base of the falls.
No worries, it was interesting stuff! Anyway, I hope you're having a good time. I'm jealous lol
Enjoy. Have a nice vacation!!
ThaiGrocer
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plagiarize
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From the hike down the falls. Currently at the Roadhouse.
31GhostsIV
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From the hike down the falls. Currently at the Roadhouse.
I really must make the pilgrimage overseas for this.
mariachi507
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I can't believe I didn't notice this, I guess I was zeroed in on Rebekah.
plagiarize
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<3 Kimmy.
The Twin Peaks Fest is on this weekend, but it's totally sold out. Definitely something to think about doing next year if you are Jimmy. It's always an amazing time.
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