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[Frank West]

Anyone suggestions /theory what Evil Coop will be doing the next couple episodes? Parrot Dougie is fantastic but I love Evil Coop as well.

I hope he (Dale) comes back soon (as much as I like Dougie) because his story is pretty much over. The last scene of episode 11 seemed like a farewell to me. I mean...he even met the old woman again so she could thank him and say goodbye.

Otherwise...

 

[SomTervo]

The Art Life is a really good documentary. The story about David's father visiting him at college and David showing him his experiments is hilarious.

It is well worth watching.

Yeah mentioned this a page or two back. Did you pick up on the woman Richard beat on emerging from the bushes as a parallel with Lynch's childhood trauma of the woman with the bloodied face emerging from an alley in his street?

 

[EdmondD]

I hope he (Dale) comes back soon (as much as I like Dougie) because his story is pretty much over. The last scene of episode 11 seemed like a farewell to me. I mean...he even met the old woman again so she could thank him and say goodbye.

Otherwise...

I agree. It's a great place to end it. If that Douglas Jones fuck is still around I'm going to be so pissed I won't even be able to eat my Raisin Bran Crunch.

 

[ThaiGrocer]

I want this in .gif form. It would be very applicable on the Gaming side.

 

[dreams]

They wouldn't. It's a bad theory.

I mean uuhhh there are no bad theories. they're lodge agents too. they're Windom Earle's secret brothers. "brothers bradley rodney mitchum" is an anagram for "um, BOB dithers. come later rhys 'nd ry" which means something. the strobe lights outside the plane window can be decoded to mean "The Giant's real name is Terry Mitchum." they're margaret lanterman's long lost sons. they're deep undercover for Phillip Jeffries.

This is my favorite post in this whole thread lmao

 

[Levito]

I agree. It's a great place to end it. If that Douglas Jones fuck is still around I'm going to be so pissed I won't even be able to eat my Raisin Bran Crunch.

It's a great place to end for sure, and initially I thought that was it. But the "can you last 3 more hours?" theory makes too much sense.

 

[WriterGK]

One has to ask..

How's Annie?

Perhaps the Skype call should have said "I thought he was there to check on Audrey Horne.. she was in a coma after that business at the bank. Oh, and Annie Blackburne and a nurse were found dead shortly after his visit. What a strange coincidence"

Oh wauw, what a great scene. I am going to download Missing Pieces now and watch it tomorrow

 

[Intheflorsh]

Dougie still needs to be around to survive whatever Anthony Sinclair's going to throw at him. Don't expect Cooper next episode.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

Yeah mentioned this a page or two back. Did you pick up on the woman Richard beat on emerging from the bushes as a parallel with Lynch's childhood trauma of the woman with the bloodied face emerging from an alley in his street?

I can see that...moreso the scene in Blue Velvet where Dorothy Vallens appears at night in Sandy's neighborhood bruised and naked, which matches Lynch's description of what he saw as a kid.

Dougie still needs to be around to survive whatever Anthony Sinclair's going to throw at him. Don't expect Cooper next episode.

With Battlin Bud, the Mitchums, and the return of The Cobra, it's gonna be a showdown to remember.

 

[uncelestial]

I completely forgot this bit from the teaser.

This doesn't look like Dougie does it ?

Also, thanks to a gaffer who attended the shooting, there is a gigantic, enormous spoiler, don't read if you don't want to know.

MAJOR SPOILER :

Spoiler

He is standing next to "Laura", or rather, Sheryl Lee.

Spoilers continue, beware:

Spoiler

No, doesn't look like Dougie, but if he's standing next to Laura, or Maddy (the only two characters Sheryl played -- and surely Lynch is not going to introduce more Sheryl-portrayed characters)that doesn't seem to bode well for Coop existing in, you know, the land of the living. Last we saw Laura she screamed and was sucked up into nothing, so Coop joining her there seems... Bad.

 

[Frank West]

I love Tammy's reaction

 

[Chitown B]

I hope he (Dale) comes back soon (as much as I like Dougie) because his story is pretty much over. The last scene of episode 11 seemed like a farewell to me. I mean...he even met the old woman again so she could thank him and say goodbye.

Otherwise...

except Dougie still has a hit out on him. Sizemore will try to kill him.

 

[g11]

Dougie still needs to be around to survive whatever Anthony Sinclair's going to throw at him. Don't expect Cooper next episode.

Agreed. Also I think the Jack Rabbit's Palace stuff is going to go down without Dougie/Cooper present. I just can't think of a way for the story to get him there next episode. Either that or next episode isn't the Jack Rabbit Palace showdown, which actually makes sense if we're assuming each episode is roughly one day. In Episode 11, Hawk says the date on the map shows the day after tomorrow. So two days. My guess is "Let's Rock" is one final attempt on Dougie's life and a resolution of some kind with the Vegas group and the redneck army of Chantal and Gary that Mr. C sent after them and maybe Team FBI showing up in Vegas.


Sorry I missed out on all the classic talk about the ring. That stuff always fascinates me. Anything Lodge related, really. Just curious, what do you guys think when MIKE says "he saw the face of God" and decided to cut off his arm and stop killing? That always struck me as a little odd considering Lynch's work has never really struck a religious cord. I figure it's a metaphor of some kind, but for what? What made MIKE turn? Someone was saying before that MIKE doesn't seem to be purely good either, which I agree with, just more that he wants to take BOB down. I can't help but wonder if BOB is somehow stopped/killed/defeated that MIKE becomes stronger somehow. Essentially some kind of power struggle, even though whenever we see them together like FWWM, they don't seem particularly hostile toward each other. More standoffish than anything.

Oh and one more thing about the ring from Secret History, a ring described exactly like the owl ring is mentioned as being worn by Richard Nixon at one point in Secret History.

 

[Vectorman]

Sorry I missed out on all the classic talk about the ring. That stuff always fascinates me. Anything Lodge related, really. Just curious, what do you guys think when MIKE says "he saw the face of God" and decided to cut off his arm and stop killing? That always struck me as a little odd considering Lynch's work has never really struck a religious cord. I figure it's a metaphor of some kind, but for what? What made MIKE turn? Someone was saying before that MIKE doesn't seem to be purely good either, which I agree with, just more that he wants to take BOB down. I can't help but wonder if BOB is somehow stopped/killed/defeated that MIKE becomes stronger somehow. Essentially some kind of power struggle, even though whenever we see them together like FWWM, they don't seem particularly hostile toward each other. More standoffish than anything.

Pretty sure Briggs was a devout Christian not to mention the angel at the end of FWWM. Religious undertones are there but not constantly so.

 

[Frank West]

except Dougie still has a hit out on him. Sizemore will try to kill him.

I totally forgot about Sizemore. Yeah, maybe 2-3 episodes until we see Dale.

edit: Or....Dale comes back and kills Sizemore's character.

 

[Levito]

Dougie will use his new found instant transmission technique to teleport the rest of the Peaks-fighters to Jack Rabbit's Palace for a final showdown with Mr. C/Bob/The Mother.

 

[WriterGK]

I think its established right that he will return to normal during Episode 15?

 

[g11]

Pretty sure Briggs was a devout Christian not to mention the angel at the end of FWWM. Religious undertones are there but not constantly so.

Ah true, I forgot about that. Still, I don't think MIKE actually meant "God", but I guess that's just more of a feeling than anything else.

 

[gun_haver]

I totally forgot about Sizemore. Yeah, maybe 2-3 episodes until we see Dale.

edit: Or....Dale comes back and kills Sizemore's character.

He wouldn't need to come back to defend himself from Tom Sizemore. We've seen that Dougie will suddenly remember his FBI training when he detects a threat and protect himself/Janey-E.

I think it's possible the Mitchum Bros could take care of Sizemore because they might figure out, or be told, that it wasn't Dougie who was cheating them but Sizemore, on behalf of their enemy, Back of The Diner Dream Guy.

It's at the point now where the interesting thing is how will Dale react to the life he's been living for the past days/weeks as Dougie, and what will he do about Janey-E, and the trouble Dougie has been in.

 

[WriterGK]

Don't wanna nitpick. But is it possible to insure yourself as a firm for a 30 million dollar payout/loss?

 

[g11]

I think it's possible the Mitchum Bros could take care of Sizemore because they might figure out, or be told, that it wasn't Dougie who was cheating them but Sizemore, on behalf of their enemy, Back of The Diner Dream Guy.

Pretty sure they'll figure it out on their own the way Sinclair really hammered home to them "You have an enemy in Douglas Jones" only for Dougie to show up with pie and $30M. At the very least they know Sinclair lied to them and will probably pressure him into giving up Duncan Todd.

Don't wanna nitpick. But is it possible to insure yourself as a firm for a 30 million dollar payout/loss?

I'm no financial/insurance expert, but it sounds absolutely plausible. Credit default swaps, while not exactly the same, function similarly to my knowledge. It's a way to protect yourself on a particularly risky bet, like insuring a new casino for reputed crime figures like the Mitchums. I would not be surprised if insurance had similar hedges.

Quick question, any word on if Season 3 will go up on Netlfix when it's done? I've been so busy with work and online classes that I've missed everything since Episode 5

Hard to say. Some Showtime stuff is still on Netflix while other newer stuff like Ray Donovan and Homeland aren't on either Netflix or Amazon Prime streaming. My guess right now is probably not, at least not for a while.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Quick question, any word on if Season 3 will go up on Netlfix when it's done? I've been so busy with work and online classes that I've missed everything since Episode 5

 

[Frank West]

He wouldn't need to come back to defend himself from Tom Sizemore. We've seen that Dougie will suddenly remember his FBI training when he detects a threat and protect himself/Janey-E.

I think it's possible the Mitchum Bros could take care of Sizemore because they might figure out, or be told, that it wasn't Dougie who was cheating them but Sizemore, on behalf of their enemy, Back of The Diner Dream Guy.

It's at the point now where the interesting thing is how will Dale react to the life he's been living for the past days/weeks as Dougie, and what will he do about Janey-E, and the trouble Dougie has been in.

Right, that's true.

I just watched episode 11 again. The moment when Hastings gets killed the FBI Agent in the car calls for backup. He says they're in the Sycamore Street. We saw the Sycamore Street sign in episode 3 (Dougie sees it in the Rancho Rosa place).

I don't know if this is old news but that is damn interesting.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

He wouldn't need to come back to defend himself from Tom Sizemore. We've seen that Dougie will suddenly remember his FBI training when he detects a threat and protect himself/Janey-E.

I think it's possible the Mitchum Bros could take care of Sizemore because they might figure out, or be told, that it wasn't Dougie who was cheating them but Sizemore, on behalf of their enemy, Back of The Diner Dream Guy.

It's at the point now where the interesting thing is how will Dale react to the life he's been living for the past days/weeks as Dougie, and what will he do about Janey-E, and the trouble Dougie has been in.

I fully believe the Mitchum Bros will save Dougie from the assassins Mr. C sent to him (Tim Roth's character and his wife). I still fear the worst for Janey-E though.

 

[hobozero]

I fully believe the Mitchum Bros will save Dougie from the assassins Mr. C sent to him (Tim Roth's character and his wife). I still fear the worst for Janey-E though.

I thought Tim Roth was sent to kill the warden, not Dougie. Dougie's hitmen have all come from creepy office guy so far (car bombers, Ike the Spike, and now Sizemore), haven't they?

Or is Bad Coop done issuing kill orders over the phone now that his black box turned into a rock when he told it the cow jumped over the moon :|

 

[Real Hero]

Yeah Roth is going to kill the warden

 

[Frank West]

Yeah Roth is going to kill the warden

Yeah. Sizemore is the one who has to kill Dougie.
I just hope we see more of the Mitchum Brothers even though the story is pretty much finished.

But who knows...maybe the whole Dougie story is just Cooper's dream?
I'm pretty sure there's an upcoming episode with the word "dream" in the title.

 

[PolishQ]

I thought Tim Roth was sent to kill the warden, not Dougie. Dougie's hitmen have all come from creepy office guy so far (car bombers, Ike the Spike, and now Sizemore), haven't they?

Or is Bad Coop done issuing kill orders over the phone now that his black box turned into a rock when he told it the cow jumped over the moon :|

Bad Coop said something about a "double header" after the warden job was done.

 

[Slime]

Just curious, what do you guys think when MIKE says "he saw the face of God" and decided to cut off his arm and stop killing? That always struck me as a little odd considering Lynch's work has never really struck a religious cord.

maybe?

 

[Vyse The Legend]

I thought Tim Roth was sent to kill the warden, not Dougie. Dougie's hitmen have all come from creepy office guy so far (car bombers, Ike the Spike, and now Sizemore), haven't they?

Or is Bad Coop done issuing kill orders over the phone now that his black box turned into a rock when he told it the cow jumped over the moon :|

Office Guy works for Mr. C. And Mr. C sends Roth to kill the warden, then to Vegas to kill two other people. One is Dougie. The other could be creepy office guy for failing to get the job done.

 

[g11]

maybe?

That's the only answer I can think of that makes sense. It's probably one of those things we'll never find out because it doesn't really matter, but it's fun to speculate.

Yeah Roth is going to kill the warden

Mr. C tells them he's got a double header for them in Vegas afterward though.

 

[Frank West]

That's the only answer I can think of that makes sense. It's probably one of those things we'll never find out because it doesn't really matter, but it's fun to speculate.



Mr. C tells them he's got a double header for them in Vegas afterward though.

Maybe the Mitchum brothers? They're now friends with Dougie and we don't know the exact timeline.

 

[Airola]

Just curious, what do you guys think when MIKE says "he saw the face of God" and decided to cut off his arm and stop killing? That always struck me as a little odd considering Lynch's work has never really struck a religious cord.

Well, in his first full lenght movie there was an otherworldly being singing "In Heaven everything is fine."


When Mike talked about them living above the convenience store and said he means it "like it is, like it sounds" and now that the convenience store really seems to be a real place I think we might also end up learning that his talk about seeing the face of God should be taken quite literally too.

I think there is a God in Lynch's and Frost's Twin Peaks universe.



By the way, I think Bob was originally supposed to be the arm of Mike. When he shoots Bob in the European pilot he feels great amount of pain himself. He just shot Bob and now he moans in agony and holds his left side of the body as if his removed arm would hurt like hell.

 

[plagiarize]

Me in the middle. Brad "Reflections" Dukes on my right and his bro Peyton on my left. All for now. Posting this from a Jacuzzi.

 

[Dusk Golem]

So I was looking up something completely separate to both David Lynch and "It's a Small World", but somehow stumbled on this in the results I got. XD;

David Lynch hates It's A Small World:

The A.V. Club: Can you remember when “Flappy” first invaded your consciousness? Was there a traumatic theme park experience involved?

David Lynch: Yes. I went to Disneyland. I think I took my daughter there. This was a long time ago, and when I heard it, it was a very traumatic experience.

AVC: Was it a combination of the crowds and the people?

DL: No, it was just the actual tune.

(...)

AVC: So as a child you were never exposed to the song?

DL: No, no, no, thank goodness.

AVC: The song seems to have an obviously negative, psychological effect on you. Are you the kind of person who gets a song stuck in his head for days, and that’s where the hatred comes from?

DL: Yeah, it got stuck in my head, and it was like having a disease.

AVC: Is it the repetitiveness, the lack of any kind of invention, in the song?

DL: Yeah, it’s actually a masterpiece in some ways, because it’s so simple, yet even kind of more than catchy. Like I said, it’s like the swine flu or something. Through music, you get the swine flu.

AVC: It’s like the perfect jingle from hell. It was written by these guys, The Sherman Brothers, and when they first played it for Walt Disney they did a slow, ballad version of it. Once they sped up the tempo, Disney immediately loved it.

DL: It’s a strange thing. Walt tuned into something that’s sort of like McDonald’s. It travels to the people, and the song is perfect for that. It’s a real torment to me. It’s been since I heard it.

AVC: It’s like a greasy cheeseburger. It goes down easy, but doesn’t fill you up in any way.

DL: It doesn’t even go down that easy. It makes you sick while it’s sitting there in your stomach, or in this case, your brain.

(...)

AVC: “Flappy” is obviously strongly connected to consumerism. Are songs ruined for you when they are co-opted by “evils,” such as commercials? Do you cast them out of your life?

DL: Sometimes, and sometimes not. It depends on how they’re used. I think that commercials can really ruin a song. You know that the person sold the song for a good deal of money, and that was the tradeoff. But, music and picture can marry in a beautiful way, and the reverse also.

AVC: Are the songs you put in your movies your favorites? I’m thinking of “In Dreams” from Blue Velvet, or is it what best fits the picture for you?

DL: They fit the picture. There’s a lot of songs that I love, but they don’t marry to the picture. “In Dreams” is an incredible song. It’s incredibly beautiful, but it married to the picture.

AVC: Do you remember when music first affected you in such a positive way?

DL: I was really little when it affected me in a positive way. Music marries to that time, so if you hear it again, you go right back. You can feel the feeling, and I go back in time.

AVC: Were your parents into music? Did they expose you to certain things?

DL: They were into classical music mostly.

AVC: Is that where your love of classical orchestration comes from?

DL: Not really. Working with Angelo [Badalamenti] and John Morris on The Elephant Man, John Morris did some beautiful things. Angelo is just the greatest. He can write anything.

(...)

AVC: If you think of “Flappy,” you don’t want that screwing up your day.

DL: No, no, no. That’s why I really questioned doing this interview. Just the thought of it can start it going, and it’s a torment.

(...)

AVC: Do you think musical hatred can be unlearned? That maybe someday you could appreciate “Flappy” on an ironic, or guilty-pleasure level?

DL: Absolutely. Appreciation for life, all of it, can grow. There could come a day, in supreme enlightenment, when “Flappy” would be absolutely fine. It could be so beautiful.

 

[uncelestial]

So I was looking up something completely separate to both David Lynch and "It's a Small World", but somehow stumbled on this in the results I got. XD;

David Lynch hates It's A Small World:

How I love this man.

 

[Levito]

Small prediction:


Gordon and Albert will probably find Dougie when those cops that took Dougie's fingerprints get the results back. The results will obviously be Cooper's prints, leading the cops to the FBI.

 

[mittelos]

Me in the middle. Brad "Reflections" Dukes on my right and his bro Peyton on my left. All for now. Posting this from a Jacuzzi.

Awesome shot, hope you have a blast man.

 

[fenners]

Small prediction:


Gordon and Albert will probably find Dougie when those cops that took Dougie's fingerprints get the results back. The results will obviously be Cooper's prints, leading the cops to the FBI.

I think most people would agree.

 

[KillySG10]

Spoilers continue, beware:

Spoiler

No, doesn't look like Dougie, but if he's standing next to Laura, or Maddy (the only two characters Sheryl played -- and surely Lynch is not going to introduce more Sheryl-portrayed characters)that doesn't seem to bode well for Coop existing in, you know, the land of the living. Last we saw Laura she screamed and was sucked up into nothing, so Coop joining her there seems... Bad.

Not exactly:

Spoiler

From what i remember of the discussion about it, the scene in question was being filmed in front of the Palmer house, with Coop and Laura heading up to it and entering followed by a scream pressumed to be Grace Zabriskie

 

[HashtagLapsed]

Yeah mentioned this a page or two back. Did you pick up on the woman Richard beat on emerging from the bushes as a parallel with Lynch's childhood trauma of the woman with the bloodied face emerging from an alley in his street?

Yes, I did. It reminded of scenes in Blue Velvet as well. Seems like an experience that impacted him very deeply.

 

[g11]

Small thought struck just a little earlier today. Bushnell is a bad guy. Or at the very least there's more going on with him than it seems. Something about that scene in his office in ep11 with Dougie I'm seeing differently now and what I took the first time as him being emotional and fired up about the situation to help Dougie, is actually him worrying about Dougie figuring out that he (Bushnell) is part of the conspiracy. Or maybe Bushnell wasn't part of the conspiracy, but he knows if it gets out that it happened under his watch, his reputation is finished.

There's a few problems with this theory, not the least of which is arguably Bushnell is the one who "connected the dots" on Dougie's gibberish to figure out there's a conspiracy. So why do that if you're part of the conspiracy and the only evidence is some simpleton's childlike sketches? I dunno. Haven't connected all the dots but I think Bushnell knew he was sending Dougie to his probable death, meeting the Mitchums.

 

[Kurdel]

Let's Rock is an amazing episode title

 

[WriterGK]

Small thought struck just a little earlier today. Bushnell is a bad guy. Or at the very least there's more going on with him than it seems. Something about that scene in his office in ep11 with Dougie I'm seeing differently now and what I took the first time as him being emotional and fired up about the situation to help Dougie, is actually him worrying about Dougie figuring out that he (Bushnell) is part of the conspiracy. Or maybe Bushnell wasn't part of the conspiracy, but he knows if it gets out that it happened under his watch, his reputation is finished.

There's a few problems with this theory, not the least of which is arguably Bushnell is the one who "connected the dots" on Dougie's gibberish to figure out there's a conspiracy. So why do that if you're part of the conspiracy and the only evidence is some simpleton's childlike sketches? I dunno. Haven't connected all the dots but I think Bushnell knew he was sending Dougie to his probable death, meeting the Mitchums.

I don't think that makes sense. Bushnell is always being appreciative towards Dougie. If he was being in on it and Part of the Conspiracy, then all he had to do is tell people is mentally ill and his work is Gibberish. Everyone would totally accept on the basis of those insurance claims drawings Dougie made on it. On the other hand he stil hasn't done actually anything about it so far...

 

[g11]

Yeah, I can't pretend I've got overwhelming evidence of this theory, it just feels like something is off there. Something about that last meeting they had and how obviously dangerous it was to send anybody, much less Dougie, to meet people Bushnell admits are reputed gangsters makes me question his intentions. That and how much Dougie stares at the poster in his office. Like he's trying to remember something or put two and two together. I don't know what it is, but it feels like there has to be something important about that poster with as many long, close up shots we get of it.

That said, it's absolutely 100% possible I'm completely wrong too.

 

[EGM1966]

Yeah, I can't pretend I've got overwhelming evidence of this theory, it just feels like something is off there. Something about that last meeting they had and how obviously dangerous it was to send anybody, much less Dougie, to meet people Bushnell admits are reputed gangsters makes me question his intentions. That and how much Dougie stares at the poster in his office. Like he's trying to remember something or put two and two together. I don't know what it is, but it feels like there has to be something important about that poster with as many long, close up shots we get of it.

That said, it's absolutely 100% possible I'm completely wrong too.

I'm taking the view he seems to be too good to be true in context and waiting to see what develops.

Yoy could view his dispatching Dougie with the cheque as simply clearing up the issue with Mitchum brothers quietly or as handing them Dougie as scapegoat.

To be honest though the whole setup is odd if you assume they were going to kill him as it would be the least secret hit ever. Oddly I was confident the whole thing was going to take a Lynch left turn because of that and it sure did.

Loved the episode though. Thought the performances were all great too: typical Lynch stylised though they were. Ashbrook and Seyfried in particular.

 

[Camwi]

Yeah. Sizemore is the one who has to kill Dougie.
I just hope we see more of the Mitchum Brothers even though the story is pretty much finished.

But who knows...maybe the whole Dougie story is just Cooper's dream?
I'm pretty sure there's an upcoming episode with the word "dream" in the title.

I need more of Candy in my life.

Candy?

Goddamit, Candy!

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Yeah. Sizemore is the one who has to kill Dougie.
I just hope we see more of the Mitchum Brothers even though the story is pretty much finished.

But who knows...maybe the whole Dougie story is just Cooper's dream?
I'm pretty sure there's an upcoming episode with the word "dream" in the title.

This has been debunked already. It's the same reality. They mail the hotel key from Vegas, and it gets to Twin Peaks.

 

[John Dunbar]

This has been debunked already. It's the same reality. They mail the hotel key from Vegas, and it gets to Twin Peaks.

maybe the postal service is the link between dimensions.

 

[Enoch Root]

I re-watched episode 11 last night, and at the end while they are eating the cherry pie I started to think that it is a sort of an anti-garmonbozia. You eat it instead of vomiting, and instead of pain and suffering, it makes you feel good.