So basically, David Lynch couldn't get anyone to fund his works after Inland Empire, so he threw the name "Twin Peaks" around so he could get funding, then threated it like an entirely new thing?
It's a lot like the sum of David Lynch's work, Twin Peaks included but also his films, in terms of tone and well, the general way it's presented. But the story is very much connected to the original Twin Peaks, especially the finale and Fire Walk with Me.
Also, this is a crazy and potentially dumb theory, but about the body in the bed (and some episode 1-4 spoilers in this);
Uhm... Could that be Garland Briggs body? I know that sounds crazy, but like in the weird realm when Cooper is in space we see only Briggs' head floating by, the body is the same body type as Briggs', when they try to scan the body's fingerprints they find the identity is blocked by the military...
On the FWWM disc in the complete Twin Peaks Blu-ray set, there's a video of David Lynch, Ray Wise, Grace Zabriskie, and Sheryl Lee discussing stuff like this. Grace mentions how some people laughed at her shrieking in the pilot episode. Lynch goes on to say that it's okay for people to do that. It's just one of many natural reactions to seeing someone else express raw pain or suffering on screen.
So, with the bit in Episode 4 that you mentioned, I think it's kind of the same thing. With
Bobby, his reaction to seeing Laura's case reopened seems right on-point. For some viewers, I can see how it seems like an overreaction and/or funny, even if it really isn't.
Anyway, I'm loving this show again. My expectations were kind of all over the place, but overall, I'm very happy with what we've got. It's, first and foremost, Lynch, and dude's gonna do his thing. I absolutely LOVE that we're at the starting point of 18 unfiltered hours of what could likely be his final project. Fuck, we're lucky.
the coffee woke Cooper up, at least to an extent. No more broken sentences... classic Cooper personality, but still unsure of who/why he is. He'll use the key to the hotel room to dictate where he needs to go (the town of Twin Peaks) and I think Gordon and Albert are on their way there, as well, with maybe a detour or two.
but I still feel that most of the original cast will be relegated to one-or-two-off cameos.
It was super heartbreaking to see
Catherine Coulson in such rough shape. Her short scenes were so hard to watch because I could FEEL her, the actress, suffering. My wife even cried when she saw her on screen.
I will say this though, from an outside perspective this really does feel like a sequel to every major production Lynch ever did. You can just feel the resonating tones from the various films he's done over the years in scenes of this show, everything from Twin Peaks of course to Mulholland Drive to Blue Velvet to Eraserhead to Inland Empire, and more.
I don't think it's coincidence that this revival has returning actors from his other movies too. I think since Lynch hasn't done a major film in over 10 years, and with him revisiting the world of Twin Peaks, he decided to work with the people he loved, express the things he loves, and the result is something that feels like an accumulation of all he's ever done.
It's to be seen how the next 14 parts go, but I legitimately think it has the potential to go down as Lynch's magnum opus in the long run.
My favorite part of this thread is people saying the new season is too much like Eraserhead and Mullholland Drive and thats supposed to be a negative. Those are two of the best movies ever made
Feels very Lynch-like, although not very Twin Peaks if that makes any sense.
My girlfriend mentioned it was scarier than Twin Peaks (she isn't well versed on the rest of his works) but to me it felt exactly how he would do it if he weren't capped by being on a network television show.
I think what's more concerning to me is that the first episode takes place so much away from Twin Peaks that it's a little jarring. It took me a while to get invested in the original show when I first watched it because you kind of have to be in the mindset of this town. Having some of the scenes take place in New York or somewhere else disoriented me a bit.
Seems like it loses a bit of that charm, that very TP sheen. But maybe that's also cause of the 16:9 aspect ratio versus the 4:3.
Anyone feel the same way? I'm still intrigued but a lot of these older revived shows always feels a bit like trying to get back together with an ex long after you guys have broken up.
Reminds me of metal gear solid 4 in that Kojima clearly had no editor and just went on a stream of consciousness style rambling for hours and nobody checked his work or stopped him
It feels to me very much like the last thing he is ever going to do, so why not go out with something completely your own, drawing in aspects from all of your previous work?
On the FWWM disc in the complete Twin Peaks Blu-ray set, there's a video of David Lynch, Ray Wise, Grace Zabriskie, and Sheryl Lee discussing stuff like this. Grace mentions how some people laughed at her shrieking in the pilot episode. Lynch goes on to say that it's okay for people to do that. It's just one of many natural reactions to seeing someone else express raw pain or suffering on screen.
So, with the bit in Episode 4 that you mentioned, I think it's kind of the same thing. With
Bobby, his reaction to seeing Laura's case reopened seems right on-point. For some viewers, I can see how it seems like an overreaction and/or funny, even if it really isn't.
Anyway, I'm loving this show again. My expectations were kind of all over the place, but overall, I'm very happy with what we've got. It's, first and foremost, Lynch, and dude's gonna do his thing. I absolutely LOVE that we're at the starting point of 18 unfiltered hours of what could likely be his final project. Fuck, we're lucky.
the coffee woke Cooper up, at least to an extent. No more broken sentences... classic Cooper personality, but still unsure of who/why he is. He'll use the key to the hotel room to dictate where he needs to go (the town of Twin Peaks) and I think Gordon and Albert are on their way there, as well, with maybe a detour or two.
but I still feel that most of the original cast will be relegated to one-or-two-off cameos.
It was super heartbreaking to see
Catherine Coulson in such rough shape. Her short scenes were so hard to watch because I could FEEL her, the actress, suffering. My wife even cried when she saw her on screen.
Catherine playing Log Lady in this is such a mixture of sweet/sad for me. You can tell she's in pain and was close to death when she filmed it, and gah I'm just getting emotional thinking about it. But she was always a huge fan of Twin Peaks and the character she played and was always vocal of that love, so you know she wanted to be in the series revival, and by that mindset I'm insanely happy she managed to be.
But it does pull at the heart to see her like that on screen.
My favorite part of this thread is people saying the new season is too much like Eraserhead and Mullholland Drive and thats supposed to be a negative. Those are two of the best movies ever made
So far the biggest jump scare for me was the Frost-Lynch production card after the episode 1 credits which are much quieter than the proceeding ones. I must have had my earphones on really loud but holy shit.
I'm really into this incarnation of Twin Peaks.
I watched all four back to back so I'm having trouble remember which episode(s) this was from:
I was shocked that doppleganger
Cooper talked in plain speak in the real world about Black Lodge lore and that he's devised a plan to avoid it. I know it's talked about as lore in the original series but it's almost a swerve in how direct and literal they are using it. I was expecting everything to remain vague. A lot of theories over the years about how the BL denizens are representations of our duality and that the Cooper we see at the end of season 2 is him letting out his other side. But nah, straight up Evil Cooper is on Earth and he don't want to go back to the weird curtain room and created a clone to avoid it. It's like a bonafide non Lynch-ian comic book in it's logic.
I didn't expect it to be that direct but it doesn't bother me, just surprise. I'm along for the ride no matter what, especially now.
You could watch it via sky ticket, thats how i do it.
It´s like skys version of netflix for their own content, costs 10 per month and you can cancel it monthly, so no need for a regular sky subscription. They also have an app for the ps4 and xbox one, so you could watch it on yout tv.
Because Lynch and Frost can stretch more with this series on Showtime than they ever could have on ABC in the early 90s. Also, it's been 26 years and things have changed with Lynch's style. I've only watched episodes 1-2 so far, but I expect we'll have some more classic Twin Peaks episodes and moments before season's end.
I don't want to speak for Jett, but before everyone jumps down his throat, I don't necessarily think he meant that as a negative. Just that the revival's style will prove more inaccessible than the original show.
Remember that a big part of the original's success was the mainstream appeal of the Laura Palmer hook. There's nothing really like that here - at least not yet.
That's right, I'm personally greatly enjoying this show so far. It's just even weirder than I imagined. And I thought American Gods was too out there. This is the most inaccessible shit I've watched on TV.
It feels to me very much like the last thing he is ever going to do, so why not go out with something completely your own, drawing in aspects from all of your previous work?
Sure why not. He's definitely taking advantage of this opportunity and is doing whatever in the hell he wants with complete disregard for anything else.
Lynch actually gave a tremendous amount of bite to the Black Lodge. The concept was always sort of goofy since the violence was subdued in the original series. Now the concept is terrifying.
It feels to me very much like the last thing he is ever going to do, so why not go out with something completely your own, drawing in aspects from all of your previous work?
Interestingly, very recently Kyle mentioned that there's a possibility this may not be the last Twin Peaks thing, this season of Twin Peaks was, in Lynch's own words, the most fun he's almost ever had working on something (and now seeing what Season 3 is, I can certainly see it). Kyle mentioned this season is contained, it has a proper conclusion and is filmed like a movie with a beginning, developments, ending, etc. BUT, if it does well and they get the chance they are not against doing more Twin Peaks. Turned out not only Lynch loved it, many loved working on it with him, so we'll see.
But Lynch is not getting any younger, and I wouldn't be surprised or upset if this was the last big thing we ever got from him. I know it sounds dorky, but I do truly feel blessed we even got this from him at all. That sounds cheesy but for a while I thought we might never get a new Lynch film or anything on a larger production scale again, and then lo and behold we get a conclusion to Twin Peaks but also essentially an 18-hour Lynch Film (many said this before release, but now that we've seen four parts this is legitimately an 18-hour long Lynch film). It feels weird this exists and somehow was greenlit and Lynch and Frost kept full creative control and were basically allowed to do whatever they wanted, but I'm really happy at this point that this exists. Twin Peaks was already my favorite TV show of all time, and while so far this isn't fully like the first two seasons, it's elevating my opinion of what was already my favorite TV show ever.
Lmao yeah, was just gonna post the exact same thing.
You guys weren't kidding when you said they clearly just gave Lynch a lot of money and told him to do whatever the fuck he wants. Not that I'm complaining, just hope that the majority of the season won't end up being absolutely incomprehensible madness lol.
watched episode 3 and 4 because have nothing else to do, takes so hot they will melt your cpu below:
did someone want cooper walking around like a vegetable for two episodes? is the lady who plays tammy supposed to act like she is in a porn parody? some baffling stuff here. i like twin peaks, and i like lynch, but it's just not working for me here. i was very worried when some time after the show was announced they upped the episode count, since i expected tons of bloat. still didn't expect so much right out of the gate.
since there is obviously going to be no david bowie in this, i wish they had gone with chet desmond instead of jeffries. of course maybe they did but chris isaak didn't want to do it. but the whole jeffries thing feels flat when you know you're never going to see bowie, and some people are unacceptable to recast.
overall i will probably check out the fifth episode since there will be a couple weeks to let this simmer, but if things don't improve after that i will probably drop the show. you know things are bad when the most memorable moment in four episodes is a michael cera gag.
To be completely honest, I think even people trying to spoil themselves went in mostly in the dark. They were insanely tight-lipped about what this whole series was about until it literally aired last night and we saw for ourselves, and they say that's the approach they're taking.
Really enjoyed the first two episodes (gonna wait for 3 and 4).
Sooo fucking Lynch. This is not gonna reach much of a mainstream audience at all if it keeps going like this (not that I care lol). Not seeing a lot of Frost in here yet (although some character interactions could easily be him).
Evil Coop is probably my highlight so far. Really surprised with the Phillip Jefferies scene. Any theories about that yet?
Also that scene with Andy, Lucy and Hawk felt so damn good.
Lynch actually gave a tremendous amount of bite to the Black Lodge. The concept was always sort of goofy since the violence was subdued in the original series. Now the concept is terrifying.
I'm legitimately curious how out-there the final few episodes of this series are going to end up being with how this opening few episodes have been handled.
Like almost every single one of Lynch's works goes into a dive into the even stranger and darker territories towards the end of his films, and he says he filmed this like a film. so if these first four episodes are his "getting off the ground" stuff, what the fuck is he planning later with his scary/surreal stuff?
I'm legitimately curious how out-there the final few episodes of this series is going to be with this opening.
Like almost every single one of Lynch's works goes into a dive into the even stranger and darker territories towards the end of his films, and he says he filmed this like a film. so if these first four episodes are his "getting off the ground" stuff, what the fuck is he planning later with his scary/surreal stuff?
It is Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks in 1990 was a culmination of Lynch's work up until that point.
Twin Peaks in 2017 is a culmination of Lynch's career up until this point.
Twin Peaks is whatever Mark Frost and David Lynch say it is. Fans are welcome to put it into whatever box they feel like. But their feeling of the show and their expectations that go with it are something Lynch/Frost are not beholden to. There were no fan ideas of what Twin Peaks should be back in 1990. It was the instinct and freedom of Lynch/Frost that attracted fans. Why change that?
Catherine playing Log Lady in this is such a mixture of sweet/sad for me. You can tell she's in pain and was close to death when she filmed it, and gah I'm just getting emotional thinking about it. But she was always a huge fan of Twin Peaks and the character she played and was always vocal of that love, so you know she wanted to be in the series revival, and by that mindset I'm insanely happy she managed to be.
But it does pull at the heart to see her like that on screen.
I know it sounds dorky, but I do truly feel blessed we even got this from him at all. That sounds cheesy but for a while I thought we might never get a new Lynch film or anything on a larger production scale again,
Yup, I thought he was done with film/TV forever, and I hated that Inland Empire might have been his last film. I was never a fan of that flick... and I know some people love it. That said, I'm giving it another chance really soon because this (Twin Peaks: The Return) is so. damn. good. that I'm starting to think Inland Empire just flew over my head. For what it's worth, I consider Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway his masterpieces.
and then lo and behold we get a conclusion to Twin Peaks but also essentially an 18-hour Lynch Film (many said this before release, but now that we've seen four parts this is legitimately an 18-hour long Lynch film).
This is exactly what's missing from NuTwin Peaks. That undefinable charm and also the cheesy but endearing characters. So far it's been a stream of Lynchian consciousness (i.e. nonstop weirdness). Which I'm enjoying, but I don't see how this is like the original Twin Peaks. It doesn't even seem to take place in Twin Peaks.
I watched until episode 3. It's just a dream. A direct continuation of Twin Peaks, and not some kind of tribute, the time factor is played amazingly well, and Lynch being able to do it how he wanted to do it.
I was sure i would be disappointed since the expectation was absurdly high, but i'm overblown.
Lynch actually gave a tremendous amount of bite to the Black Lodge. The concept was always sort of goofy since the violence was subdued in the original series. Now the concept is terrifying.
Agreed, I thought the Black Lodge segments were the creepiest thing in these episodes. There was just this sense of other-worldly coldness. The Lara conversation especially was super-tense.
This is exactly what's missing from NuTwin Peaks. That undefinable charm and also the cheesy but endearing characters. So far it's been a stream of Lynchian consciousness (i.e. nonstop weirdness). Which I'm enjoying, but I don't see how this is like the original Twin Peaks. It doesn't even seem to take place in Twin Peaks.
Did you see episode 3? The second half is marked by this specific charm. It's all about timeline. It's like FWWY, it dosen't have this charm because it's
about the calvary and redemption of Laura Palmer.
Now we are seeing the redemption of Agent Cooper, so i am pretty sure this specific charm will come back
That's right, I'm personally greatly enjoying this show so far. It's just even weirder than I imagined. And I thought American Gods was too out there. This is the most inaccessible shit I've watched on TV.
Oh definitely, I have no idea how anyone who hasn't watched TP before would react to this new season. I imagine it would be nearly impossible to follow.
watched episode 3 and 4 because have nothing else to do, takes so hot they will melt your cpu below:
did someone want cooper walking around like a vegetable for two episodes? is the lady who plays tammy supposed to act like she is in a porn parody? some baffling stuff here. i like twin peaks, and i like lynch, but it's just not working for me here. i was very worried when some time after the show was announced they upped the episode count, since i expected tons of bloat. still didn't expect so much right out of the gate.
since there is obviously going to be no david bowie in this, i wish they had gone with chet desmond instead of jeffries. of course maybe they did but chris isaak didn't want to do it. but the whole jeffries thing feels flat when you know you're never going to see bowie, and some people are unacceptable to recast.
overall i will probably check out the fifth episode since there will be a couple weeks to let this simmer, but if things don't improve after that i will probably drop the show. you know things are bad when the most memorable moment in four episodes is a michael cera gag.
The Cooper vegetable thing was a bit too long, but I realized it was all for the Coffee joke. This is a really slow burner and they decided to release these 4 hours because these four hours are just and only an intro for what's to come and develop.
Who's with me on the lady they talk about on the Ep4 ending being Diane, played by Laura Dern? Or maybe maybe maybe Annie.
More like a continuation of the finale, which is widely considered to be one of the absolute best episodes of the series, even among season 2 detractors (i.e. most fans of Twin Peaks).
Sure, there's lots of Twin Peaks here... I just wish there was more (and literally more regarding the town)! Heheh. And I'm sure we'll get more, it's just that this 'set-up' got tedious at times. Two minutes of spray painting, five minutes of 'that biker' talking nonsense, and ten minutes of 'going into that building saying "hello"' was just too much. Those are the things (along with the 'special effects') my dad, brothers and I had issues with. It's still super interesting, and you're constantly analyzing stuff. It's great, annoying, fantastic, slow, creepy and twisted - all at the same time... I just wish there was more subtle 'small-town off-ness' going on (this is just the beginning, I know).
Wasn't there just ONE finger snap?! I'm not feeling the 'feel' just yet... it's just pure Lynch.
This is exactly what's missing from NuTwin Peaks. That undefinable charm and also the cheesy but endearing characters. So far it's been a stream of Lynchian consciousness (i.e. nonstop weirdness). Which I'm enjoying, but I don't see how this is like the original Twin Peaks. It doesn't even seem to take place in Twin Peaks.
More like a continuation of the finale, which is widely considered to be one of the absolute best episodes of the series, even among season 2 detractors (i.e. most fans of Twin Peaks).
The finale didn't materialize out of thin air, though. It was weirdness built on a lot of previously established characters, ideas, and mysteries. It was a conclusion in many ways to what had been set up. Hoping the next establishment and set up is somewhat similar to the last one may be futile, but it is not absurd.
I don't think there is any bloat here at all. The terms filler and bloat don't even make any sense when Lynch is in control. It's not just about plot and character but atmosphere. Atmosphere is a feeling. Even cutting 1 second of footage can change the whole feel of a scene.
The finale didn't materialize out of thin air, though. It was weirdness built on a lot of previously established characters, ideas, and mysteries. It was a conclusion in many ways to what had been set up. Hoping the next establishment and set up is somewhat similar to the last one may be futile, but it is not absurd.
