CharminUltra
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Who I want it to be:
Audrey, even if it doesn't make sense, simply because I want to see her 
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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Finale Fireworker
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Some musings on the state of the show and how different it is:
I guess, as a really big Twin Peaks fan, I have prepared myself for the show to not feel like it used to. The original cast revolved around multiple generations of Twin Peaks locals. There were highschoolers, there were their parents, and there were unaffiliated older characters like Catherine, Pete, and the Log Lady.
Since this show takes place 25 years later, this meant the entire plot and cast would have to change. The oldest characters are either deceased in real life or would be octogenarian on screen. The high school cast would now be parents, and if they had children, they would be in their twenties. Without a high school murder, there is no reason for adolescent characters. And with all the time that has passed, Laura Palmer would be long gone from the public consciousness. Basically, the town and its characters would have moved on from everything that happened in the original show.
Lots of Season 2 cliffhangers could not be resolved because, realistically, they would have to have been solved 25 years ago. There is no way to resolve the explosion at the bank, or the skirmish with Ben Horne in the Hayward home, or any of the pertinent and immediate events that concluded the show's original run. By necessity, all this would have to be left behind to start over. This means continuing on without plots, without characters, and without locations.
Even the fact that it's not the 90s anymore means the vibe of the show will have to adjust. In the original run, technology was very rarely featured or utilized. It's 2017 now. Everyone has computers, cell phones, and the FBI uses extremely high-tech forensic technology. These things are decidedly not Twin Peaks, but a modern Twin Peaks cannot exist without them.
So, even though the premiere is extremely different, it's also what I anticipated. It's what I imagined Twin Peaks would have to be to exist in 2017. I haven't watched episodes 3&4 yet, but I'm definitely not disappointed by parts 1&2.
I expect it will never feel exactly like the old show. It was a product of its time, just like this one will be. I really liked what I've seen so far. We'll see how it proceeds.
I guess, as a really big Twin Peaks fan, I have prepared myself for the show to not feel like it used to. The original cast revolved around multiple generations of Twin Peaks locals. There were highschoolers, there were their parents, and there were unaffiliated older characters like Catherine, Pete, and the Log Lady.
Since this show takes place 25 years later, this meant the entire plot and cast would have to change. The oldest characters are either deceased in real life or would be octogenarian on screen. The high school cast would now be parents, and if they had children, they would be in their twenties. Without a high school murder, there is no reason for adolescent characters. And with all the time that has passed, Laura Palmer would be long gone from the public consciousness. Basically, the town and its characters would have moved on from everything that happened in the original show.
Lots of Season 2 cliffhangers could not be resolved because, realistically, they would have to have been solved 25 years ago. There is no way to resolve the explosion at the bank, or the skirmish with Ben Horne in the Hayward home, or any of the pertinent and immediate events that concluded the show's original run. By necessity, all this would have to be left behind to start over. This means continuing on without plots, without characters, and without locations.
Even the fact that it's not the 90s anymore means the vibe of the show will have to adjust. In the original run, technology was very rarely featured or utilized. It's 2017 now. Everyone has computers, cell phones, and the FBI uses extremely high-tech forensic technology. These things are decidedly not Twin Peaks, but a modern Twin Peaks cannot exist without them.
So, even though the premiere is extremely different, it's also what I anticipated. It's what I imagined Twin Peaks would have to be to exist in 2017. I haven't watched episodes 3&4 yet, but I'm definitely not disappointed by parts 1&2.
I expect it will never feel exactly like the old show. It was a product of its time, just like this one will be. I really liked what I've seen so far. We'll see how it proceeds.
God I loved it, absolutely hilarious
Yeah, it was pretty much perfect
plagiarize
Banned
It's legitimately my favorite scene yet.
CharminUltra
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Indeed. I mostly hate the actor (except for
Superbad
holygeesus
Banned
I don't understand how people expected the show to go from the season 2 finale' straight to typical Twin Peaks whimsy in season 3. It's felt a natural continuation to me thus far.
CrichtonKicks
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Am I the only one who found the whole thing remarkably coherent?
Clearly there are tons of unanswered questions but that's by design for a series only 4 of 18 episodes in.
But basically all of the real world stuff is being played straight. The Bad Cooper stuff in Eps 1 and 2 is straight up out of a noir movie. The South Dakota scenario is playing out like a procedural mystery in the vein of the original series. The box stuff in NYC is grounded by the fact that it featured two young adults with natural motivations (ie horny).
Even the red room stuff is pretty straight forward and is working within the logic of the series. I would argue that the Season 2 finale and FWWM red room stuff is way more bizarre than what we've seen in this show.
I think the weird dancer/blue rose stuff in FWWM was way more strange just for the sake of being strange than anything that has shown up here.
Episode 3
The series definitely isn't newcomer friendly nor is it made for people whose primary recollections of TP are the first season. The heavy focus on Jeffries and Ep 3/4 spoiler
is proof of that. But it never feels weird for the sake of being weird to me. It actually feels like there is an honest to good story and plot that Lynch and Frost are setting out to tell.
Clearly there are tons of unanswered questions but that's by design for a series only 4 of 18 episodes in.
But basically all of the real world stuff is being played straight. The Bad Cooper stuff in Eps 1 and 2 is straight up out of a noir movie. The South Dakota scenario is playing out like a procedural mystery in the vein of the original series. The box stuff in NYC is grounded by the fact that it featured two young adults with natural motivations (ie horny).
Even the red room stuff is pretty straight forward and is working within the logic of the series. I would argue that the Season 2 finale and FWWM red room stuff is way more bizarre than what we've seen in this show.
I think the weird dancer/blue rose stuff in FWWM was way more strange just for the sake of being strange than anything that has shown up here.
Episode 3
I would argue that as out there as the beginning of Episode 3 was, it wasn't anymore bizarre than the introduction of the red room in 1990. It's just that the red room has become normalized by time and parody. The beginning of Episode 3 is Lynch reclaiming that same sense of weirdness for the lodge that was lost after the original series aired.
The series definitely isn't newcomer friendly nor is it made for people whose primary recollections of TP are the first season. The heavy focus on Jeffries and Ep 3/4 spoiler
Major Briggs
Who I want it to be:Who I think it'll be:Audrey, even if it doesn't make sense, simply because I want to see herDiane
If it is Audrey, I feel like it's Lynch's way of reclaiming the Cooper/Audrey relationship that was denied by external forces in the original series. A sort of "Audrey was the one, true soul mate for Cooper. Forget about Annie and Wheeler.
However, I do think it is Diane. It just makes too much sense and it would be the perfect segue to bring in Laura Dern.
However, I do think it is Diane. It just makes too much sense and it would be the perfect segue to bring in Laura Dern.
InaudibleWhispa
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I would like to see the balance shift over time with a stronger emphasis on Twin Peaks (the town) too but an initially wider story makes sense for now given that Doppeldale would have to leave town to avoid being recognised. The first 1/4 of FWWM wasn't in Twin Peaks either, after all. The whole New York thing is completely unexpected but I'm enjoying it, and it is some kind of connection to the black lodge so it's not entirely disparate.
CharminUltra
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Booper
MetroidPrimeRib
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Yeah I mostly agree. I have no idea what the spray painting shovels scene was about but Lynch is totally for destroying audience expectations.
I think the best example is the glass box. The scene constantly focuses on a big empty space and eventually we start to think what could fill it. It goes on for so long that we imagine tons of stuff and then when something actually appears it's more horrifying then we could have thought.
It's an extension of the "when is it going to happen" feeling in horror right before the bad thing happens. Except Lynch extends it many times longer then anyone else ever would. But then you have random moments like the soot covered guy in the prison. WTF?
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I'm actually with you on this one. I also don't think it's any coincidence (episode 4 spoiler)
that the kid teaches Cooper his thumbs-up thing and the wife introduces him again to coffee. And episode 4 shows more of the town and sets up the agents t probably head to the town themselves.
We still haven't seen most of the original cast we know are in this season. I think this will continue to not be the old Twin Peaks, but I think those who are worried about lack of TP are being a bit preemptive. While I kind of hate this comparison, I am guessing it is in some ways like the opening part of Fire Walk With Me where the first 30 minutes of the film are completely separate from the town itself. Now I actually think the other towns will remain important past the opening, but I think we're going to move on to Twin Peaks and its cast of characters being the center piece of the series soon. Just my guess though, it's where the first four episodes when put together and looking at where they're headed and building towards seem to be.
Or Lynch might throw us a curve-ball, it is hard to say with the guy I'll be honest. I'm fine either way, though.
CrichtonKicks
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Given the background in The Secret History, I have no doubt the town is the focal point for the mythology stuff even if it is happening on a larger scale now and I will be shocked if the percentage of stuff taking place in TP doesn't dramatically increase as the episodes go on. I predict that, by the final quarter, if not sooner, 75% of the show will take place there.
It's clearly building to something and isn't random.
We see him take delivery of the shovels in the very first post credits scene in Episode 1 then we check back in with Episode 3.
Buttonbasher
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I think they're widening the scope and will totally all converge in Twin Peaks by the end.
VistraNorrez
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And the other thing is, it's not just a slower pace or dragging things out. It's on a whole different rhythm than anyone else. You can never tell when a scene is about to end.
Master_Funk
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That character is incredible and fits perfectly into the season 1 weird quirky character mould.
RobotMoses
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I don't really understand your point. Twin Peaks wasn't anything until they showed what it was. They created and established a certain feel and mood that was drizzled with quirkiness and contained snippets of creepy and batshit crazy, but it wasn't constantly absurd.
Absolutely. I don't see how they could have just jumped straight into the town, but more scenes with the people we know an love would have been more than welcome, and could have been included instead of the long and tedious scenes.
And yes, I realize I'm being pretty critical. I love a good discussion, and I'm curious to see how people are reacting to the show and why they enjoyed certain elements of these episodes. I very much enjoyed the four-hour binge this morning, and I can't wait for more!
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I actually agree with you. I see some people saying this is just Lynch weirdness, but to me this seems more coherent than usual. There's stuff we obviously don't know yet, and to see where it goes, but there's been grounding to various elements in all four episodes and it seems like they do in fact have a story they're getting to rather than a random collection of scenes.
I will say I personally think the beginning of episode 3 is up there for weirdest things Lynch has done. I agree with you that since the Red Room is kind of further normalized in this season (not only is the Red Room been popularized, but the Red Room plays such a big role in this season's story they kind of have to normalize it) that Lynch decided to introduce an even weirder element to throw people off, but I admit the sequence feels to me like the first time Lynch has gotten to the level of his old weirdness in... Well since he started. The whole start of Episode 3 feels like
Eraserhead/Ronnie Rocket era Lynch to me in how artistically strange with almost isolated dystopian tones.
InaudibleWhispa
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Speaking of which, I saw someone post this passage from The Secret History of Twin Peaks on Reddit which pretty much describes the vision in the box:
Then, roughly in the center of the room, I realized a shape, small and pale, appeared to be sitting or squatting, turned away from us, showing only a grayish-greenish-white spiny back. Then it disappeared entirely. Moments later it reappeared, as if a concealing shadow - or a magician's cape - had simply passed over it. I could see the shape react, stiffen. Then it turned to look our way through a window and for a brief moment the shape of its face was visible. The glimpse we got was extremely brief before it vanished again, and I wasn't entirely sure of what I saw, beyond a vivid impression of large oval black eyes, pinched to the point of a nonexistent mouth and nose, and a smooth bulbous head. Then it was gone. But what lingered longer than the persistence of the image was the visceral feeling that seemed to emanate from the figure; what clawed at my gut and the base of my skull was a sickly sour wave of such pure and uncanny malevolence that for a moment I thought I might lose consciousness. A paralyzing fear ripped through the most primitive parts of my brain and I couldn't move...
Martinski43
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Just seen Part 1 & 2.
The song was totally my jam, Chromatics - Shadow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUboLZx3Tk
The song was totally my jam, Chromatics - Shadow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUboLZx3Tk
CrichtonKicks
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Unlike the original series this clearly isn't a soap opera designed to run in perpetuity. It's much more plot focused. I don't think they will spend appreciable amounts of time with the residents of TP until their role in the main plot becomes clear. Right now that is resulting in escalating levels of screen time for the sheriff's department but it hasn't had reason to spill over into the other characters (yet).
I don't think the characters will be getting their own, independent plotlines this time out. This is much more like a mini-series where people are on screen only as long as their time demands it.
Don Draper's Hat
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Episode 3 and 4 done and I'm still not liking it. Damn.
Some of it is just terrible. The Andy and Lucy scenes in particular. Tammy Preston is preposterous. Just utterly preposterous. Is there any need for her to act that way? And focusing on her arse as she walks away. Good grief.
Some of it is just terrible. The Andy and Lucy scenes in particular. Tammy Preston is preposterous. Just utterly preposterous. Is there any need for her to act that way? And focusing on her arse as she walks away. Good grief.
Michael Cera was funny for about 5 seconds and then it just went on and on and on. The only thing that would have saved that scene is having the camera pull back to show he's sitting on a bicycle.
Denise has let herself go.
JoJoShabadoo
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Well art is subjective. Not liking the style of season three doesn't make someone not "get" art or Lynch. Lynch has always been divisive anyways. There's only so much cryptic surrealism that people can take without having a cohesive narrative that tells a story.
Note: This is coming from someone who is liking season 3 (not loving it, though) and likes most Lynch movies.
Intheflorsh
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I nearly choked to death laughing. He was perfect.
Regarding the shovels:
Those long and tedious scenes are pretty much a Lynch staple, including Twin Peaks with the Cooper has been shot and Audrey and the bank scenes. Of course I'm not saying you have to love that stuff, especially now that it's in a much higher quantity than it has ever been before, but those two scenes have always been some of my favourites in all of Twin Peaks and I continue to adore them here. Though I will admit that (episodes 3 and 4, I honestly can't remember which right now so I need to rewatch them)
So yeah, not trying to change your mind here or anything, I'm just saying that I do really like them and I'm glad they're there.
Yup, I noticed that too. Just seemed like some good old Greys in Secret History but within the context of season 3 it takes on a far more sinister tone... Good stuff.
yeah, they're being painted gold for a reason.
Gold is a recurring theme already, and I'm under the impression is has some sort of power over the Lodge creatures (see: the ring and BOB). Could Jacoby be creating anti-Lodge weapons? Is he going to smack BOB on the head with a shovel? With four shovels?
...I highly doubt it, but it's a fun mental image. And if he is I can't imagine gold spray paint to be particularly effective. Anyway, it means something.
Gold is a recurring theme already, and I'm under the impression is has some sort of power over the Lodge creatures (see: the ring and BOB). Could Jacoby be creating anti-Lodge weapons? Is he going to smack BOB on the head with a shovel? With four shovels?
...I highly doubt it, but it's a fun mental image. And if he is I can't imagine gold spray paint to be particularly effective. Anyway, it means something.
Those long and tedious scenes are pretty much a Lynch staple, including Twin Peaks with the Cooper has been shot and Audrey and the bank scenes. Of course I'm not saying you have to love that stuff, especially now that it's in a much higher quantity than it has ever been before, but those two scenes have always been some of my favourites in all of Twin Peaks and I continue to adore them here. Though I will admit that (episodes 3 and 4, I honestly can't remember which right now so I need to rewatch them)
some of the casino stuff fell a little flat to me around the middle of it. Though I did start enjoying it again towards the end.
So yeah, not trying to change your mind here or anything, I'm just saying that I do really like them and I'm glad they're there.
Yup, I noticed that too. Just seemed like some good old Greys in Secret History but within the context of season 3 it takes on a far more sinister tone... Good stuff.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
In general I am curious about Jacoby's role in this season, he has literally the first shot of the season and he appears in a second scene, but I can't even fathom what he's doing right now. I want to bet it's a lot more important than it seems right now, but I literally have no idea what Jacoby's doing with those shovels or why this is important... yet.
I think Lynch is stupidly effective at horror because he puts you into a weird mindset before anything scary really happens with his weird camerawork, audio design, and just the scenes themselves, he elongates his scenes and builds up the atmosphere for much longer than any director I know, and then when the pay-off comes it's usually actually legitimately horrifying. Some of Lynch's scares are terrifying imagery scenes stand-alone without the build-up or world or sometimes even audio, but they gain even more power because of how he handles them.
And to this the stuff so far is only "Early Film" Lynch stuff. I'm looking forward to see what else Lynch has in store for us in the rest of the 14 hours.
Buttonbasher
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Episode 3/4 spoiler
I feel like they're doing a DB Cooper kind of thing to the real Cooper. Mysterious, and strapped with thousands in cash. It's a small thing, that I may be reading into though.
RobotMoses
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I never had a problem with them in the original series, and I enjoyed many of them in these four episodes. I don't know... some work better than others. Many have a claustrophobic effect to them, and help create tension in certain scenes. Other scenes have already established the point that's being made after a minute or two, and feel like a Family Guy joke pause going on for 'just' too long.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
The way the creature in the box looks makes it hard to pin down what exactly it is. The most we can tell is it's gaunt, has breasts and a weird misshapen head. So it could be a demon, alien, some native American cryptid like a skinwalker, a resident of the black lodge or some old god deep and old fucker. Who knows.
Garmonbozia
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Watched Part 1 and 2.
Fucking loved it. The beginning gave me chills. It feels like what you would get if you threw Twin Peaks and Mulholland Dr. in a blender and sprinkled a little Inland Empire on top.
That Phillip Jeffries reference made me go:
I'm going to watch the rest after class, can't wait!
Fucking loved it. The beginning gave me chills. It feels like what you would get if you threw Twin Peaks and Mulholland Dr. in a blender and sprinkled a little Inland Empire on top.
That Phillip Jeffries reference made me go:
I'm going to watch the rest after class, can't wait!
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
That's insanely interesting. It's kind of obvious that whatever the thing is... What should we call this thing? I kind of want to call it Apparition until we know what it is... that it's going to play a big role in the new season later in. I feel several loose mysteries in the first episodes two main story parts; New York with the Box itself, where the guard went, who was running this whole deal, and the Apparition inside the box, and the second half in Buckhorn, South Dakota with a man who left his fingerprints all over a scene in a dream, the cheating wife who I believe has an interesting background in a theory of mine I'll speak about another time, the body removed and put with the librarians head (which I have a stated theory on in this topic), as well as a few other loose ends in this first episode... Will all be explained later. I figure we'll get open-ended questions and ambiguity, but things also explained and this first episode establishes several indirect mysteries.
But I find myself both attracted to and most mystified about the Apparition. I think part of it is my love for horror, and the fact this thing seems like a Lynchian Horror and out of place with everything else we know about Twin Peaks so far... but not in a bad way, in a fascinating way of how it belongs in this world.
Well we always knew the spirits in the lodge were taking human form because we could comprehend that, but between the evolved arm, the charcoal face...thing and the box creature, that veil seems to be slipping
31GhostsIV
Banned
I have faith in the Jacoby storyline as Amber Tamblyn said he has an 'incredible' role. I'm also convinced the second half of the season will revolve around Twin Peaks and when it does, everyone will look back far more fondly on what we've seen so far.
Personally I love it, I got up at 5am to cram everything in and it's stuck with me. It's rare that an episode of a TV show gets in my head in such detail, let alone hold my attention for four of them.
I'm new to Lynch but it seems like there are a few rules to enjoying his works:
1) patience
2) he doesn't give a fuck about your expectations
"Episode 5 will wrap up this lame/show vegetative-cooper subplot and we'll finally jump back into Twin Peaks town drama like the good ol days!" Not so fast there, bub...
1) patience
2) he doesn't give a fuck about your expectations
"Episode 5 will wrap up this lame/show vegetative-cooper subplot and we'll finally jump back into Twin Peaks town drama like the good ol days!" Not so fast there, bub...
31GhostsIV
Banned
I agree, I don't expect Coop to get his shit together until Gordon and Albert have found him.
Do we know if Julee Cruise is back for this? Just wondering with all the new musicians, not that I'm complaining.
Yeah, it's cool, I do get it. Good to know you didn't have a problem with them, but I know people who couldn't stand those scenes in the original already so it's not surprising it's alienating people now. Some do work better than others (though for me personally it's the difference between loving and liking them) so if the sheer quantity is too much for you I can totally imagine disliking some of them. I'm just trying to express my personal enjoyment of them here. Because yeah, I'm very pleased they've been so prevalent myself. Sorry.
Yeah, it's cool, I do get it. Good to know you didn't have a problem with them, but I know people who couldn't stand those scenes in the original already so it's not surprising it's alienating people now. Some do work better than others (though for me personally it's the difference between loving and liking them) so if the sheer quantity is too much for you I can totally imagine disliking some of them. I'm just trying to express my personal enjoyment of them here. Because yeah, I'm very pleased they've been so prevalent myself. Sorry.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
Jacoby's going to go dig for gold in Hawaii or something. No, but I am curious. Jacoby in general is kind of a weird character in the original series (even among a cast of weird characters) in the sense he's always been kind of isolated from all the other characters outside of Laura in terms of relationships and being an actual doctor to some on rare occasions. I'm not even really sure he's a doctor anymore with that trailer park set-up and shovel job, but I guess we'll see what he's up to later.
I've only watched through each episode once so far too, so I'm recollecting off memory too. It speaks a lot I can remember most of it vividly. I do plan to watch it again with some others within then ext two weeks though.
hiphoptherobot
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Minor spoilers for The Secret History of Twin Peaks -
Between that and
involvement I am curious as to if more of the information found in the book will become increasingly relevant as the series continues.
The glass box in episode one immediately brought to mind the glass box that Nixon takes Milford to see in the secret base. The creature inside also fits the description of what was in the show, blinking in and out of existence.
Tamara Preston's
Closer Two
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I know exactly what you mean. I'm hanging on every word and image presented.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Watching episode 1+ 2 again with my wife now. After that, episode 3+4 for the first time. Hell yeah!
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That sequence was amazing. I was in awe that it was still going after like 7 minutes.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I think while Twin Peaks will increase in relevancy as this goes on, and there's still a lot of Twin Peakers in this season we know are back we haven't seen yet so there's obviously more to be done there, I could see Lynch doing something entirely unexpected to all of in the next few episodes easily.
Do we know if Julee Cruise is back for this? Just wondering with all the new musicians, not that I'm complaining.
Yeah, it's cool, I do get it. Good to know you didn't have a problem with them, but I know people who couldn't stand those scenes in the original already so it's not surprising it's alienating people now. Some do work better than others (though for me personally it's the difference between loving and liking them) so if the sheer quantity is too much for you I can totally imagine disliking some of them. I'm just trying to express my personal enjoyment of them here. Because yeah, I'm very pleased they've been so prevalent myself. Sorry.
Julee Cruise is confirmed to be back in the new season.
Wonderful, I really can't wait.
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