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Coop are now both in the black lodge? Good Coop and bad Coop outside the Lodge are just brainless shells now
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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Dusk Golem
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Also have you guys seen people's weird lever observations?
So someone on Reddit noticed the sound on the phonograph at the very beginning of the show when The Giant asks if Cooper hears this sound and there's a looping sound playing on the phonograph is a sped up and altered version of Cooper pulling the Slot Machine levers in episode 3/4. Can see the Reddit thread on it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6ct9oo/s3e4_i_believe_i_know_what_the_sound_heard_over/
Now I had noticed as well as some others that the blind lady pulls the generator lever that electrocutes her in the same way as the gambling machines later on, but it's hard to say why this is important right now. I was thinking it was kind of strange in the first place the Lodge showed the winning gambling machines anyways, and the whole scene seems to be about getting Cooper rich and as a gag that might go on too long for some, but what if the casino stuff has a second purpose? There's a high chance the hotel may play some more of a role and Las Vegas in the future, we also know the guy from Mulholland Drive works as a boss somewhere in Vegas we see in episode 2.
It's such a weird connection, but there might be something more there with the lever being pulled.
Now I had noticed as well as some others that the blind lady pulls the generator lever that electrocutes her in the same way as the gambling machines later on, but it's hard to say why this is important right now. I was thinking it was kind of strange in the first place the Lodge showed the winning gambling machines anyways, and the whole scene seems to be about getting Cooper rich and as a gag that might go on too long for some, but what if the casino stuff has a second purpose? There's a high chance the hotel may play some more of a role and Las Vegas in the future, we also know the guy from Mulholland Drive works as a boss somewhere in Vegas we see in episode 2.
It's such a weird connection, but there might be something more there with the lever being pulled.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I haven't directly compared them, but the sound on the phonograph reminded me of the sounds that the
woman with no eyes
ElectricBlanketFire
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I clicked on the sound not realizing my volume was on full blast and it sounded like a huge fart went off in the office. Perfect.
The perfect Dark
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I'm not sure tbh. I need to watch that scene again. I remember him saying
coffee
ElectricBlanketFire
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If I remember correctly his eyes widened a bit.
The perfect Dark
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I can't deal with her zoned out loud whisper way of speaking. It's like she's some kind of weed elemental.
Chuckie
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I had no idea he was in this...so for me it was an absolute treat seeing him.
As for "The Arm"
The biggest mystery for me however is easily
I think what is being represented here is that it's manifesting into a full soul both good/evil. It being a undeveloped tree of sorts suggests it's "growing." The midget form might've just been a temporary state or a projection made by The Arm. Mike tried to atone for his sins by removing The Arm from his body, but his sins cannot be completely ridden of hence why The Arm exists as a separate entity from Mike.
The biggest mystery for me however is easily
the glass box. This is something completely new to the series so this is the most interesting thing to me. I'm not sure if the entity that was in the glass box and "Mother" are one and the same though, but it is a possibility. Maybe "Mother" might be the leading spirit of the Black Lodge of sorts?
CelticKnight
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I'm guessing Chrysta Bell just started one of those Transcendental Meditation sessions a while back and just forgot to snap out of it.
She has this sort of "New Age Hippie" vibe going on. I'm guessing if Lynch wasn'tshagging her inspired by her she'd struggle to find acting jobs.
She has this sort of "New Age Hippie" vibe going on. I'm guessing if Lynch wasn't
well, lynch isn't doing this to simply make "good tv"
tbh i'm enjoying every second of my stay here in lynch world.
oh my god
RepairmanJack
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Did they ever directly call someone or something a "doppelganger" in the original run? I feel like it was always acknowledged and understood, but the direct reference of it in the first couple episode felt weird to me. That just seemed too direct for Twin Peaks.
RepairmanJack
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Sure.
Damn, should have rewatched that finale before watching this.
Dusk Golem
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We don't know yet,
but he was indeed Mr. C's plan to stay out of the Lodge. Seems his plan was to send the copy in his place and then assassinate the real Cooper so he could stay as the Cooper of the world because one of them has to die, but the assassination at least so far has failed. For where or how Dougie was made, we don't know yet but it seems we're going to be learning more about Dougie in the next few episodes;
like what Naomi Watts thinks they can pay back with all that money.
like what Naomi Watts thinks they can pay back with all that money.
Oh my god, I just had a thought.
What if Evil Coop used ANNIE to create Dougie?? And what if this "manufacturing" process totally erased her from the timeline? That would explain some of the inconsistencies in the Secret History book...
I think she just had kind of strange delivery lynch would love and want in his film
Poimandres
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Having just rewatched the original series... I like this more! The soap opera elements are kind of charming, but also annoying. This is the full Lynch experience. There's truly nothing else like this out there.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I mean,
I think Mr. C did something to Annie. She had the Owl Ring so I bet he came for her, but the nurse had taken it. Dougie is notably wearing the Owl Ring so I figure Mr. C got it somehow.
This is such a great theory!
The term itself isn't the real issue, it's the way in which the Arm spells everything out using full ordinary sentences, when it used to tease Cooper, speaking in "code" and metaphors even at its most helpful.
RepairmanJack
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Seems that role has gone to the Giant. Though the Giant part seemed to be in a different room than the Black Lodge.
I really should have rewatched the series right before this. Weren't the Giant and man from another place said to be one in the same at one point?
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
There is a scene where The Giant is sitting next to The Man From Another Place, they both say "One and the same," then it cuts to Cooper's face, then when it cuts back to the chairs The Giant is missing.
"One and the same" referred to the Giant and the old waiter. Although you could extrapolate it out to refer to a lot of things, White/Black Lodge, BOB/Leland, etc.
RepairmanJack
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That makes me real curious about that first scene with The Giant and then later seeing the replacement for The Arm. If their correlation is the same and where this scene with the Giant takes place.
Net_Wrecker
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Another question I had after watching FWWM and MP
why didn't Mike turn in Leland immediately? He had already known he was possessed by Bob and knew he killed Laura. Am I forgetting something?
Dusk Golem
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So a small detail I missed a friend pointed out to me, but the woman Mr. Todd in Las Vegas was hiring Tracey to go to the New York to check on the Glass Box. Tracey is the reason that the guard is missing, and the reason she may have gone and the reason they removed the guard was so the guy would invite the girl in and do couple things.
Looked deeper into this and a few others have mentioned it, and I read two further theories onto why Tracey came to the Glass Box room and they removed the guard:
There's some deeper theory stuff, but the first bit about Tracey beign the woman Mr. Todd hired to go to the Glass Box room and remove the security guard to make it so the guy may invite the girl in to do stuff is something I missed.
Looked deeper into this and a few others have mentioned it, and I read two further theories onto why Tracey came to the Glass Box room and they removed the guard:
They may have been trying to do the Jack Parson's Moonchild Ritual which is mentioned in The Secret History of Twin Peaks. It's a ritual for creating a "Moonchild" through some sort of sex magic, which is a weird theory but this is legitimately brought up in The Secret History of Twin Peaks. The second theory is that in the original run of the series, it's mentioned that the Black Lodge could only be opened through "love and fear", so maybe them doing the love making thing opened the tear in the box next to them further.
There's some deeper theory stuff, but the first bit about Tracey beign the woman Mr. Todd hired to go to the Glass Box room and remove the security guard to make it so the guy may invite the girl in to do stuff is something I missed.
Moreso that the giant was one of the spirits from the lodge, and he inhabited the waiter from the great northern, in the same sense that bob inhabited leland. The man from another place and the giant aren't connected, outside of the fact that they're both spirits of the lodge and they both give clues to Cooper.
There's a possibility that "The Giant" we see at the beginning of the first episode of the revival is actually someone else, since his name is credited as a set of question marks.
It's the Giant and the waiter from the Great Northern who are one in the same. The Man from Another Place/The Arm is part of Mike.
I might be wrong but isn't that how he was credited back in the old seasons? Or was he ever credited as "The Giant"?
RepairmanJack
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My hot take on what the deal is with the ghost in the glass box is that it is (purely speculating but tagging just in case)
what remains of Laura Palmer, since we see her ejected from the waiting room in the same episode, the way the ghost attacks Sam and Tracy is somewhat reminiscent of how her doppelanger attacked Cooper in the Season 2 finale, in that he was physically wounded and bleeding immediately afterward, as though he was cut. On top of this I noticed that the ghost had a noticeably female form.
The ??????? thing is brand new and adorable.
RepairmanJack
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Could also be seen as if it was following Cooper? Possibly the significance of showing when exactly he showed up in the box.
Dusk Golem
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It certainly can be seen as following Cooper,
it appears in the Box after he went through it earlier, and you could interpret it as the thing that's banging in the Purple Place that Ronnie calls "Mother", as you may notice that when it appears in the Box it starts banging its hands on the glass but it breaks, and it appears in complete darkness and the blind lady when the banging starts goes up to the space to turn on the generator which turns on the lights which implies it has some aversion to light if they're one the same, but we won't really know until we see more of it.
31GhostsIV
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I think that whatever 'Mother' is, it's what ?????? (I can't get used to that) was eluding to 'entering the house' in the opening scene with Coop.
RepairmanJack
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I haven't watched episode 3/4 so I'm assuming you're talking about the card Bob Cooper showed the girl before killing her?
I assumed that was a version of the mountain/cave symbol or the symbol on the ring. Turning it into more of like a lifelike thing that was eventually symbolized long ago.
I assumed that was a version of the mountain/cave symbol or the symbol on the ring. Turning it into more of like a lifelike thing that was eventually symbolized long ago.
I didn't even think about this. Lynch probably didn't either.
Maybe
Spirit Mike can only sense when Bob is around but didn't actually know Lelands name. But then again he yells "it's your father" at Laura.
I love a good naming gimmick. It's almost as much fun as the [scratching sound] pronunciation of "Mr. Scratch" in Alan Wake.
Oh, and I think the boxed cock blocker is credited as Experiment Model.
That is the card I'm referring to. Hmm therefore it seems to add more to my theory that the clue the log lady gives Hawk about his heritage is tied to a place referenced in the secret history of Twin Peaks book that being
owl cave
FeedMeAStrayCat
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In episode 3 or 4 (can't recall),
did anyone else notice that the child of Naomi Watts and Dougie looks the same as the child that we see with the "119" lady who is taking pills and drinking? And that's directly across the street from them, isn't it? Perhaps they just looked similar, but I felt it was the same child actor.
RepairmanJack
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I was trying to wait, but I think I really need to watch episode 3 and 4 tonight.
They're different. Pierce Gagnon plays Dougie's kid, not sure who the lady's kid was but they're not the same.
Not the same kid, I don't think. Also, that kid and the 119 lady were across the street from the empty house that Dougie and Jade were in. That neighborhood looked brand new / unfinished. Dougie lives elsewhere.
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