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"We will have to reconcile with the question that if someone from outside our familiar world gains access to our plane of existence, what ramifications will that entail? There might be forces at work from deep dimensional space, or from the future…or are these one in the same? Think of the events that could have splintered time? The things that could have laid the seed for a starting point for this development? Perhaps technological innovations or the assassination of President Kennedy?" -Bill Hastings

Time is fractured every time a Blue Rose event occurs. The happenings in 1956. The release of BOB into the world. The disappearance of Chet Desmond. The initial disappearance of Phillip Jeffries, the death of Laura Palmer, the release of the Doppelganger from the black lodge, and on, and on.

As the emissaries of the Black and White Lodge do things that alter events, certain timelines flicker in and out of existance.
The numbers on the electrical sockets and the transformers denote what particular version of events we're in at any given moment.

In one reality, Cooper defeats his Doppelganger. In another, Cooper enters the Black Lodge from under the Great Northern with Diane and Gordon left waiting and finally meets Phillip Jeffries who holds the key to all these timelines. In another Cooper enters the Black Lodge with Diane waiting outside and re-emerges unscathed.

The only way to eliminate all this fractured time is to stop the initial fracturing from happening.

Phillip Jeffries tried to do this and time continued to slip away from him to the point where it drove him mad. Now Dale Cooper is playing the role of Phillip Jeffries, trying to fix fractured time. He determines the source event to be the death of Laura Palmer, and goes back in time to prevent that from happening, but it's not. The source goes back to at least 1956, possibly further back. So Dale makes the same mistake Phillip made and is now chasing time.

When Carrie Page recalls who she really is, the timeline at the end ceases to exist and the consciousness of both Dale and Laura are thrown into another.
This could go on forever if Dale fails like Phillip did. Or it could all be healed if Dale finds the source of everything (which is the entrance of Judy into our conventional space and time).

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[Bebpo]

I think Lynch is a great director, but not a great writer. Like they are two completely separate arts and plenty of people are only good at one.

When it comes to directing, Lynch is top-class. The measured pace, the framing of shots (ep18 has a shot when Cooper parks outside the diner where it uses the door frame as an inner film frame and is incredible), the tension, all A+++ I've got no complaints for the entire S3 as to David Lynch the director.

But when it comes to writing...besides the various unresolved bits, the pacing issues, I honestly think the story is not particularly good? Like I feel Lynch obfuscates things to make the plot seem smarter than it actually is.

I mean BOB is a ball of mankind's evil created from war/bombs? A green guy with a power glove beats it by super punches? Good cooper/Evil cooper, Arm wrestling showdowns, take away David Lynch's directing and his this directed by Joel Schumaker and I swear people would think the plot was written by a bunch of 13 year old kids. Some parts are a little more nuanced and interesting, but I think a lot of Twin Peaks is Lynch faking it to seem a lot more intelligent than it is by underexplaining + weirdness. I don't think there's a lot of substance. Like how someone said this whole season could've been a 2-3 hour movie in terms of pure substance. The rest was an exercise in style.

One reason I like the original Twin Peaks as opposed to some of Lynch's other works is it feels like a show/concept with the least amount of his writing influence but his directorial style. So it feels well made and is quirky/weird but the plot underneath is more honest as to what it is both good & bad. S3 feels like a Lynch film from start to finish, good & bad and there are very few Lynch films I'm a fan of.

 

[nachum00]

Speaking of Phyllis, what was that line Mr. C said to her just before he killed her? Something about her "acting human quite well"? What was that about?

Seems she was a doppelganger.

 

[Linkin112]

Catching up on the thread, I don't understand the people saying half the cast has passed away, so it'd be hard to do a Season 4. Really?

The only notable absence now would be Albert. Log Lady is dead, we don't really need Pete or Mr. Hayward or BOB or Briggs. Lynch has already shown he's content with dubbing new Jeffries lines if needed.

 

[Ashby]

The Blue Rose is just the X-Files. Everything's so mundane now.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Oh shit.

Carrie Page. Carry page. The last page of Laura's Diary fuuuuuuck.

 

[Wrestlemania]

Catching up on the thread, I don't understand the people saying half the cast has passed away, so it'd be hard to do a Season 4. Really?

The only notable absence now would be Albert. Log Lady is dead, we don't really need Pete or Mr. Hayward or BOB or Briggs. Lynch has already shown he's content with dubbing new Jeffries lines if needed.

As long as they’ve got Kyle and Sheryl Lee, they’re good.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I think Lynch is a great director, but not a great writer. Like they are two completely separate arts and plenty of people are only good at one.

When it comes to directing, Lynch is top-class. The measured pace, the framing of shots (ep18 has a shot when Cooper parks outside the diner where it uses the door frame as an inner film frame and is incredible), the tension, all A+++ I've got no complaints for the entire S3 as to David Lynch the director.

But when it comes to writing...besides the various unresolved bits, the pacing issues, I honestly think the story is not particularly good? Like I feel Lynch obfuscates things to make the plot seem smarter than it actually is.

I mean BOB is a ball of mankind's evil created from war/bombs? A green guy with a power glove beats it by super punches? Good cooper/Evil cooper, Arm wrestling showdowns, take away David Lynch's directing and his this directed by Joel Schumaker and I swear people would think the plot was written by a bunch of 13 year old kids. Some parts are a little more nuanced and interesting, but I think a lot of Twin Peaks is Lynch faking it to seem a lot more intelligent than it is by underexplaining + weirdness. I don't think there's a lot of substance. Like how someone said this whole season could've been a 2-3 hour movie in terms of pure substance. The rest was an exercise in style.

One reason I like the original Twin Peaks as opposed to some of Lynch's other works is it feels like a show/concept with the least amount of his writing influence but his directorial style. So it feels well made and is quirky/weird but the plot underneath is more honest as to what it is both good & bad. S3 feels like a Lynch film from start to finish, good & bad and there are very few Lynch films I'm a fan of.

A) Mark Frost also wrote Twin Peaks
B) Thier dialogue writing is exquisite

 

[Flipyap]

Honestly don't understand why they wasted time with Hastings having a wife especially with how Doop just shoots her dead and they sweep that 'she's cheating with his friend' plotline under the rug. He doesn't even teally mention her in the interview with Tammy. He could have easily been single and you could still get the same conversations with the cops etc.

I wish they'd waste some more time of them because they had a great dynamic. This show had so many great characters and actors who could have been amazing major roles in a more conventional show, it's kinda bonkers.

Speaking of Phyllis, what was that line Mr. C said to her just before he killed her? Something about her "acting human quite well"? What was that about?

“You did good. You follow human nature perfectly.”

Sounds like he was impressed with the predictability of her human impulses and used that to get what he wanted, whatever it was. Probably complicating Gordon's investigation and covering up his involvement in that whole mess.

 

[Frost_Ace]

scooby snacks

Oh my God. Billy was Shaggy? Didn't realize that.

 

[Levito]

I really don't think the finale was setting up a 4th season, nor did it feel like a cliffhanger to me, if it was satisfying or not is a different matter.

This felt like an ending, it felt like Lynch and Frost were trying to say something. I can't say for certain what that is beyond my own interpretation(re: the abuse angle) but it didn't feel to me like there were dangling hooks(like season 2) to get Showtime to pay for more. Everyone knows it was a miracle this project got greenlit.

At the end of the day, I feel like if you invest in ambiguous storytelling you need to be prepared for endings like this. Not all of it will make sense, not all the questions have answers, if they did then the giant should've just appeared at the door of the Palmer house and said "well actually the frog moth is this evil Pagan God Mother and she uses electricity to spread malevolence, BOB is actually her spawn and he's supposed to spread enough pain and suffering so that she can eventually manifest in the on earth and destroy reality."

At the same time I do get the frustration at certain plot threads, for me I would've really liked to have known what Mr. C was trying to do.

 

[Kayhan]

What if:

The last scene was the dream and Laura Palmer in 1989 is the dreamer.
Agent Cooper asks what year is it.
Sarah Palmer calls out to her from the real world.
Laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's in a dream.
She screams and wakes up back in 1989 in the real world on the morning they are going to find her body.
There is no escaping her fate.

 

[KingHenrik30]

Has this been posted yet?

 

[Fenderputty]

The War on Enthusiasm marches on

The battle of defending the defencless never died

 

[31GhostsIV]

What if:

The last scene was the dream and Laura Palmer in 1989 is the dreamer.
Agent Cooper asks what year is it.
Sarah Palmer calls out to her from the real world.
Laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's in a dream.
She screams and wakes up back in 1989 in the real world on the morning they are going to find her body.
There is no escaping her fate.

That's my read of it, meaning Coop is NON EXISTENT when Laura wakes up. Of course if Laura is saved, then Coop is probably also in Philadelphia dealing with a different case.

 

[Kayhan]

Has this been posted yet?

Lynch is saying the explaining everything is the extreme negativity that destroys art.

 

[Levito]

What if:

The last scene was the dream and Laura Palmer in 1989 is the dreamer.
Agent Cooper asks what year is it.
Sarah Palmer calls out to her from the real world.
Laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's in a dream.
She screams and wakes up back in 1989 in the real world on the morning they are going to find her body.
There is no escaping her fate.

People have already suggested this--it sorta fits but Dale's involvement just feels weird if that's the case. He seems like he has a plan but fails to realize the powers he's dealing with are beyond him.

Also the owners of the Palmer house are named Tremond and Chalfont. Miss Tremont is the old lady we saw in both the original series and in FWWM. the lodge spirits are still involved.

 

[Ashby]

Lynch is saying the explaining everything is the extreme negativity that destroys art.

I wish he had followed his own belief then. He destroyed a lot of the art of Twin Peaks over the course of this season by explaining shit.

 

[Vectorman]

One aspect they failed to explore was the fact that doppelgangers can procreate. Like that fact is kinda mind blowing and so fucked up. Two of Coop's doppelgangers had children. Richard seemed wrong from the get go and Sonny Jim was okay because it was Dougie maybe. Sonny Jim was someone I wanted to like but they never fleshed out the relationship on-screen enough compared to Janey-e's developing relationship with Dougie/Cooper. But I was hoping that Sonny would have had a bigger role because he was the product of a doppelganger. Also didn't Diane mention that Janey was her sister? Lol did Coop really fuck two sisters?

 

[Slaythe]

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Ok for the record, no, Bob is not "created" by bombs.

Mother birthed him into our world, but he was already fully formed. It's very obvious mother has a connection to another world, who ends up in that world is unknown. Bob ended up there. We still don't know much about him, all we know is that it's a very dark and evil place, and that Mother used the "bomb" to reach our world and sent Bob there as well as her reincarnation.

 

[Kayhan]

I wish he had followed his own belief then. He destroyed a lot of the art of Twin Peaks over the course of this season by explaining shit.

You.....feel......explained to....?

I feel that there are plenty left unexplained. Or at the very least left up to your own imaginings or version of the truth.

 

[31GhostsIV]

"Two birds with one stone"

Kill Bob and Judy with Laura. Seems so obvious on the rewatch.

 

[Kelsdesu]

"Two birds with one stone"

Kill Bob and Judy with Laura. Seems so obvious on the rewatch.

How is that obvious?

 

[Kayhan]

"Two birds with one stone"

Kill Bob and Judy with Laura. Seems so obvious on the rewatch.

Except it ends up being Laura and now Cooper who gets 'killed' with one stone.

Laura can't be saved and now Cooper seems to lost as well. At least Cooper as we knew him. This end Cooper is different from coffee and pie Cooper for sure.

 

[jett]

Who is the dreamer?

 

[31GhostsIV]

How is that obvious?

Cooper tells Cole to find him if he goes missing, which will happen as he's trying to kill two birds with one stone.

Coop thinks Laura is the key to taking out Judy and Bob. Whether he's correct or not is a different matter, but it explains his obsession with her.

 

[Death Metalist]

Did anyone in the show exist?

This is the thing I hate the most about dream stories. Until yesterday, I cared for the characters and had a connection with them but after that last episode, NOPE. Now, I don't care about anyone which makes it harder for me to rewatch the whole thing. I'll probably just rewatch certain scenes and that's it. Like Cooper might as well still be stuck in the Black Lodge as he was 25 years ago.

dolanduckS3wasalladream.jpg

Despite that, I enjoyed the ride and love S3 as a whole.

 

[Kayhan]

Diane is wearing the red (hair), black and white (nails) colors of the Black Lodge.

Is she a personification of the Black Lodge in some way?

Is that why things change when Diane has sex with Coop?

The Black Lodge literally fucked Coop?

 

[Levito]

"Two birds with one stone"

Kill Bob and Judy with Laura. Seems so obvious on the rewatch.

Care to elaborate??

 

[Ashby]

I hate the concept of "Judy." It's so disappointing that the Twin Peaks universe has a "Big Bad" now. It's such a conventional trope. Fuckin' Coop is now just a galant knight that needs the help of the princess to slay the dragon.

 

[Linkin112]

I've also changed my stance on the ending being bleak. I don't agree with people saying Laura screaming at the end destroys that universe either. If this were to continue, I believe Carrie Page will now have her memories of Laura Palmer and now it's just a matter of Cooper and her finding where Sarah Palmer/Judy resides in that new universe.

Except I'm sure that'll somehow fail too because Twin Peaks.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

I need to reiterate how pissed I am that Lynch replaced a critically important character that was would have tied the entire finale together with one of his pet actresses. Because good gosh I am still pissed.

And I'll see you
And you'll see me
And I'll see you in the branches that blow
In the breeze,
I'll see you in the trees
Under the sycamore trees

Why the fuck was Diane waiting for Cooper underneath the sycamore trees?

 

[jett]

A) Mark Frost also wrote Twin Peaks
B) Thier dialogue writing is exquisite

ex·quis·ite
adjective
1.
extremely beautiful and, typically, delicate.

really?

I need to reiterate how pissed I am that Lynch replaced a critically important character that was would have tied the entire finale together with one of his pet actresses. Because good gosh I am still pissed.



Why the fuck was Diane waiting for Cooper underneath the sycamore trees?

I honestly don't understand any part of the Cooper/Diane romance.

 

[Kayhan]

What if:

The last scene was the dream and Laura Palmer in 1989 is the dreamer.
Agent Cooper asks what year is it.
Sarah Palmer calls out to her from the real world.
Laura recognizes her mother's voice and realize she's in a dream.
She screams and wakes up back in 1989 in the real world on the morning they are going to find her body.
There is no escaping her fate.

Come to think of it, this seems like a reasonable version if the show was to end here.

But if we get a Season 4 the ending is so open to interpretation that Lynch can work with it pretty much however he wants.

 

[benicillin]

Cooper tells Cole to find him if he goes missing, which will happen as he's trying to kill two birds with one stone.

Coop thinks Laura is the key to taking out Judy and Bob. Whether he's correct or not is a different matter, but it explains his obsession with her.

Its not just Cooper who thinks that. All of the Firemans messages point towards Laura, Leland Palmer in the lodge tells him to find her, the Log Lady says she's the one.

 

[Levito]

I hate the concept of "Judy." It's so disappointing that the Twin Peaks universe has a "Big Bad" now. It's such a conventional trope. Fuckin' Coop is now just a galant knight that needs the help of the princess to slay the dragon.

We really have no idea what the "big bad" is--and Cooper/Laura didn't even confront it so... yeah I can't agree with this

 

[Haloid1177]

So I’ve rewatched episode 18 three times now. I am still stuck with so many possibilities on the ending. Is Laura waking up from a dream? Did she remember who she was, thus causing the new timeline that Judy created to implode? Is Coop stuck in an eternal loop of timelines where Laura Palmer lives but not as Laura Palmer? Is the house still run by Spirits considering the names of the previous and current owner? Is Twin Peaks gone or just existing in a separate timeline that now has Dougie 2.0 as the original Dale Cooper, and the real Cooper is now a doppelgänger for Richard in the new timeline?

Jesus, Lynch. I can’t even hate this because it’s so fascinating.

 

[Ashby]

We really have no idea what the "big bad" is--and Cooper/Laura didn't even confront it so... yeah I can't agree with this

"Before he disappeared, Major Briggs shared with me and Cooper his discovery of an entity: an extreme negative force called in olden times “Jiāo Dài.” Over time, it’s become “Judy.” Major Briggs, Cooper, and I put together a plan that could lead us to Judy. And then something happened to Major Briggs. And something happened to Cooper. Phillip Jeffries, who doesn’t really exist anymore—at least not in a normal sense—told me a long time ago he was on to this entity. And he disappeared. Now the last thing Cooper told me was, ‘If I disappear like the others, do everything you can to find me. I’m trying to kill two birds with one stone."

 

[Slaythe]

This is the thing I hate the most about dream stories. Until yesterday, I cared for the characters and had a connection with them but after that last episode, NOPE. Now, I don't care about anyone which makes it harder for me to rewatch the whole thing. I'll probably just rewatch certain scenes and that's it. Like Cooper might as well still be stuck in the Black Lodge as he was 25 years ago.

donalduckS3wasalladream.jpg

Despite that, I enjoyed the ride and love S3 as a whole.

I don't think it's that simple.

It's not ALL a dream. I think reality and the dreamscape merged at the end of the season.

Episode 17 was absolutely a dream (the over the top cartoony sequences + the giant Cooper head kind of imply that), the result of the reality being broken / slipping into something else.

Episode 18 is not a dream anymore as reality shifted towards something else.

There's also the possibilities that the creations of the mind, those "dreams", also create actual realities. Kinda like Audrey's thing and now "Carrie"'s.

That being said, they did alter the original reality by preventing Laura's body from being found. So it's hard to say what remains of it. There might be no Dougie at all, Bobby might still be shit etc..

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

I honestly don't understand any part of the Cooper/Diane romance.

Lynch has a stable of pet actors and actresses, and he's not about to let artistic integrity or good writing get in the way of their inclusion.

 

[Fenderputty]

We really have no idea what the "big bad" is--and Cooper/Laura didn't even confront it so... yeah I can't agree with this

So what? Whatever it is, it was defined as the ultimate evil

 

[nachum00]

Probably means nothing but the sign for Odessa, Texas(where I live) had the population listed at 99,940. The actual population in this town was around that number in 2010.

 

[DJMicLuv]

Some of you'd buy a used Jigsaw from Lynch and upon finding out that half the pieces were missing and that it looked nothing like the box art would proclaim him a genius.

 

[A Serious Man]

Nothing in episode 18 was terrifying. The scream at the end was mildly chilling. How did anyone think that car scene was terrifying as well?

Laura waking up and being overwhelmed with dread, Coops sense of purpose and certainty giving way to confusion and fear and the final shot of the house all gave me chills. There were only a handful of scenes this season that got to me and that was certainly one of them.

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

I need to reiterate how pissed I am that Lynch replaced a critically important character that was would have tied the entire finale together with one of his pet actresses. Because good gosh I am still pissed.



Why the fuck was Diane waiting for Cooper underneath the sycamore trees?

This is what kind of bugged me. Like when they kissed in the police station. It felt like they were going for a sort of FINALLY THEY KISS!!!! scene. The audience will love this! But it was the first time we've ever seen Cooper and Diane together. During the first two series I don't think anyone ever thought about Cooper and Diane as a couple.

So to now have this romance thrust upon us just felt odd. I didn't care for it one bit.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Some of you'd buy a used Jigsaw from Lynch and upon finding out that half the pieces were missing and that it looked nothing like the box art would proclaim him a genius.

What is the point of this? Is it okay if some people enjoy something you don't? Because this certainly isn't criticism of Lynch/Frost.

I just don't get why people want to belittle those for connecting to a piece of art.

It's fun to speculate and find meaning in something.

 

[Kelsdesu]

Wasnt Hawk near the curtains? What was the timeline on that? Could he have been there when Cooper came out?

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Nothing in episode 18 was terrifying. The scream at the end was mildly chilling. How did anyone think that car scene was terrifying as well?

I've been pretty critical of the finale, but I still found it to be really unsettling and haunting. Granted, the car scene where they were being "followed" didn't spook me at all.

Did you watch it in a well lit room with distractions or something? I watched it in the middle of the night with headphones and I couldn't turn the lights on fast enough after the episode ended.

This is what kind of bugged me. Like when they kissed in the police station. It felt like they were going for a sort of FINALLY THEY KISS!!!! scene. The audience will love this! But it was the first time we've ever seen Cooper and Diane together. During the first two series I don't think anyone ever thought about Cooper and Diane as a couple.

So to now have this romance thrust upon us just felt odd. I didn't care for it one bit.

Exactly. That's how it felt to me too. It was played completely straight. It didn't feel for even a moment like their romance was intended to feel off. Lynch genuinely expected us to buy into it.

 

[Slaythe]

What was scary about the car scene was how cold Cooper was.

He wasn't even talking back at all to Laura, straight ignored her.

And then the first thing he said had a completely unusual tone for Kyle "in Cooper's shoes".

Chilling.

 

[nachum00]

All these passive aggressive drive-by post. We get it. You hate David Lynch and think everyone that likes him is pretending.